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Yankee is a term used to describe Americans, especially by other nations. I find it to be a slur and offensive.

Se will get to a point the teams will not be able to have names because someone will find something offensive some where and even animal names will be challenged by environmentalists look to prevent these animals from being marginalized.

 WarOne wrote:
Yankee is a term used to describe Americans, especially by other nations. I find it to be a slur and offensive.

Se will get to a point the teams will not be able to have names because someone will find something offensive some where and even animal names will be challenged by environmentalists look to prevent these animals from being marginalized.

You're making a slippery slope argument but it's one that I find somewhat applicable. I think identity politics are a terrible thing, especially when the Professional Offence Taker's brigade climbs on board. I also find it odd that people are just making a big deal about this now. It sends my cynicism alarm into overdrive.

 pretre wrote:
Cowboy is a job, not a race.

Yes, if you read my post again carefully that is kind of the point. Cowboys and Indians is a theme we all grew up with, yet you interpret cowboys as a job and Indians as a race. But really 'Cowboy' is a catch-all phrase for many (usually white) settlers, most commonly gunslingers rather than cowboys, and Indians are nearly always warriors with bows arrows and feather bonnets. Both of them could be interpreted as a race or a job. The stereotype of white Americans all being gun-toting rednecks is obviously not... Okay well maybe that's a bad example, but something being 'a job' as you put it, doesn't make it immune from being racist. I'm sure the Cleavland Cotton-pickers would go down a storm right?

I'm not really sure I know a word to distinguish 18th century "Indian" warriors from modern native Americans. Perhaps "Brave"? (I don't know how PC that is either). Maybe "Indian" since that word has fallen somewhat out of use in a modern context.

 Ouze wrote:
Especially if they decided to depict that nationality as a little red sambo - i mean, there are seriously people who don't see an issue with that? Bizarre.

I'm not saying they don't have a right to be offended, people can take offense at all kinds of things (often where none was intended). I would however question if they have the right to NINE BILLION dollars!

 WarOne wrote:
Yankee is a term used to describe Americans, especially by other nations. I find it to be a slur and offensive.

Se will get to a point the teams will not be able to have names because someone will find something offensive some where and even animal names will be challenged by environmentalists look to prevent these animals from being marginalized.

Especially for us from the Southern States, we certainly aint no 'Yankee's!'

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 WarOne wrote:
Yankee is a term used to describe Americans, especially by other nations. I find it to be a slur and offensive.

Se will get to a point the teams will not be able to have names because someone will find something offensive some where and even animal names will be challenged by environmentalists look to prevent these animals from being marginalized.

You're making a slippery slope argument but it's one that I find somewhat applicable. I think identity politics are a terrible thing, especially when the Professional Offence Taker's brigade climbs on board. I also find it odd that people are just making a big deal about this now. It sends my cynicism alarm into overdrive.

It's been a long simmering contoversy, since at least as far back as I can remember (20 years or so).

Organized Native American groups have been fighting this since the 1940, according the wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_mascot_controversy#History

 Smacks wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Especially if they decided to depict that nationality as a little red sambo - i mean, there are seriously people who don't see an issue with that? Bizarre.

I'm not saying they don't have a right to be offended, people can take offense at all kinds of things (often where none was intended). I would however question if they have the right to NINE BILLION dollars!

If you look at Polonius' posts, it is more likely to force a result, not to get 9 billion.


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 Polonius wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 WarOne wrote:
Yankee is a term used to describe Americans, especially by other nations. I find it to be a slur and offensive.

Se will get to a point the teams will not be able to have names because someone will find something offensive some where and even animal names will be challenged by environmentalists look to prevent these animals from being marginalized.

You're making a slippery slope argument but it's one that I find somewhat applicable. I think identity politics are a terrible thing, especially when the Professional Offence Taker's brigade climbs on board. I also find it odd that people are just making a big deal about this now. It sends my cynicism alarm into overdrive.

It's been a long simmering contoversy, since at least as far back as I can remember (20 years or so).

Organized Native American groups have been fighting this since the 1940, according the wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_mascot_controversy#History

Just so. And keep in mind that prior to that Native American groups had about zero power to influence anything. Heck, up until very recently they still didn't.

Any win we can get at this point is a big deal whether it is identity politics or stopping our kids from being sent to boarding schools to deny their traditions or stolen from their families and given to foster families.

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
Well, Spartans and Vikings (other than Vikings don't wear horns on their helmets) aren't usually depicted as racial stereotypes unlike the Cleveland Indians so that idea doesn't really make sense to me.

Hey, I'm offended my the Vikings! It reflects a negative image of my Scandinavian heritage!
I really don't mind being a viking, they were European, cold-weather pirates.

Vikings haven't existed since like the 12th century, so unless you're about 900 years old then you can't be a viking and I think the oldest person is 122 years old so I'm calling bs on that.

Doesn't mean it's not my heritage .

I wonder if Scandinavian heritage is really a thing. Mostly, it seems to be just trying really hard not to offend people.

How many axe wielding Space Marines you packing in your army?

 pretre wrote:
Cowboy is a job, not a race.

Actually, if you really look at the word, so is Viking.

Is the aim to get Cleveland (if they still are there, I can never keep up with American sport franchises changing location) to change the name to Native Americans to try and get some royalties?

Cleveland Native Americans. I can see that taking off.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Doesn't mean [Viking is] not my heritage .

I wonder if Scandinavian heritage is really a thing.

Those two statements seem problematic next to each other.

Bullockist wrote:
Is the aim to get Cleveland (if they still are there, I can never keep up with American sport franchises changing location) to change the name to Native Americans to try and get some royalties?

Cleveland Native Americans. I can see that taking off.

I imagine it is to get it to change the sambo mascot and choose a more appropriate name. Warriors or somesuch.

The troll in me says to these guys and/or the redskins - change your name to "The Fighting Jacksons".



Guaranteed to piss everyone off.

Can I sue Saltines then?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Can I sue Saltines then?

No. Good try though.

 Ouze wrote:
Especially if they decided to depict that nationality as a little red sambo - i mean, there are seriously people who don't see an issue with that? Bizarre.

I don't know any Native Americans who have an issue with any of these teams' names or logos, and I know several.

 Lordhat wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Especially if they decided to depict that nationality as a little red sambo - i mean, there are seriously people who don't see an issue with that? Bizarre.

I don't know any Native Americans who have an issue with any of these teams' names or logos, and I know several.

Okay, well now you know one more. I have an issue with Chief Wahoo.

I've got a black friend that doesn't have an issue with it, so there. He's actually Cuban, but that's close enough, right?

 kronk wrote:
I've got a black friend that doesn't have an issue with it, so there. He's actually Cuban, but that's close enough, right?

lol Wasn't that a Tosh bit?

Yes.

 Polonius wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:

First, Native Americans are a very poorly defined group? It seems self explanatory to me in the name. Also, given the tribal laws for being a member of a tribe, it seems they have this definition down fairly well.

Actually, yes, the issue of who is and isn't a Native American (NA) is complicated. There are local tribal definiations, state definiations, and federal definitions, as well as plenty of people walking around talking about who they are 1/16 cherokee.

More to my point, the plaintiffs in this case seem poorly defined. Who, exactly, is suing the team, and who will split the money?

Second, I am doubting the group expects to get $9 billion and that "writing a check" is really how the whole situation will go. For all we know, the number could be blown our of proportion as we are very early in to this issue. This could just be something to throw out there to finally push the Cleveland Indians in to finally removing "Chief Wahoo" from their ball club.

Again, a lot of this particular issue is speculation.

I forget that not everybody is a lawyer.

Nobody with anything close to a law license thinks they can sue the team for $8billion. The team itself is likely worth less than a quarter of that.

It's almost assuredly a bargaining chip.

This isn't a joke. It can get even more complicated actually. There's two main cherokee areas. The one in the North (very few) has a blood requirement. The south? All you need is proper documentation to show you are. it doesn't matter how little blood ou have or how out of the tribe you are!

What if they want to deactivate 7th Cavalry

 Jihadin wrote:
What if they want to deactivate 7th Cavalry

Too soon.