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I also would support some list of "tactics" for obtaining 40k stuff on the cheap.
A friend of mine put together a full Company of space marines in half a year fully painted and all bought second hand. I will have to ask about his methods and what the total cost came to.
Most were used, painted models and older style, got paint stripping into an (dis)assembly line.
He kept mumbling something about not understanding why all shipping through Ireland is so cheap.
GW40k was akin to a religion, it was the main game out there, you feel like a bit of a heretic (burn!) leaving it.
There are just so many other entertaining pursuits competing for our leisure time that it really is less of shock than it was.
Voice of customer (=getting what we want) is heard so much better now that it makes sense that companies will fall behind if they do not listen.
X-wing wave 4 has now made my "other" gaming expenditures surpass 40k purchases this year. First time for me.
Still use 40k stuff, just feel zero need to be a completionist like I used to be.
A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte
lobbywatson wrote:Omg a dear John letter to GW!! Jesus I'd quit coming to dakka but its so hilarious all the time!
OgreChubbs wrote:Hi, I made an account because people will make fun of me if I post on my real account to say why I am mad at 7th and I am super duper mad and am holding my breath I will teach you all a lesson for super sure now .
Teach you GW for not making the game I want and making it for the masses
ashikenshin wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote: Hi, I made an account because people will make fun of me if I post on my real account to say why I am mad at 7th and I am super duper mad and am holding my breath I will teach you all a lesson for super sure now .
Teach you GW for not making the game I want and making it for the masses
that's what I got too.
calamarialldayerrday wrote:
lobbywatson wrote: Omg a dear John letter to GW!! Jesus I'd quit coming to dakka but its so hilarious all the time!
I must say I thought something similar. A lot of posts here annoy me, but every now and then I read something like that and it makes it all worthwhile.
@OP, boohoo.
@Everyone else, there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, neither GW nor 40k are perfect. In fact, some things are straight up wrong, but stop complaining so much, and stop telling everyone else to quit! Obviously the people who still buy and collect and build and paint and game are enjoying themselves, so what you're saying really just amounts to "stop liking things that I don't like." And I'll be the second person to quote American History X here in the last week and say that hate and resentment gets you absolutely nowhere, and only makes you a hateful and resentful person.
Lighten up.
GreyHamster wrote:As far as entertainment value of the OP goes, to me, the best bit is where he thinks he can resell console games for 2/3 of what he paid for them. Takes just a few weeks for used to drop below that. Less than two months and Wolfenstein's already out there for half (I feel I don't even need to make cracks about DLC and 60 not even getting you a complete game anyways). In a couple years, even new sales pretty much dry up entirely unless you're throwing it away at fire sales. If it's not caked in awful paint or misassembled, miniatures at least hit a price floor that isn't a single digit percentage. Though he'd have had a better argument for Steam sales and picking up complete games for the price of a fast food meal.
To me, Steam and the video gaming industry as a whole showcases what happens if pricing remains static. A new AAA title was 50-60 bucks even 40% inflation and 20 years ago, and for whatever reason, this pricing has fixed itself in our consciousness as what's acceptable for super brand new. Even 70 on release for some titles was enough to start shitstorms. Day 1 DLC, online passes, and other microtransactions are how many companies seek to absorb the inflating costs of development as profit/unit shrinks, especially since Steam exists and rapidly drives prices into the ground. It's gotten to the point where I found myself balking at 40 bucks for Divinity: Original Sin the day after I dumped half again as much on four X-wing ships. We as consumers no longer value video games highly at all, despite the evident work that goes into them, and it caused the publishers to turn around and try to find ways to recoup their costs. The best part is that publishers have even managed to cut production costs as physical media grows cheaper and digital distribution takes over, and they're still pushing additional monetization, in part because they need to in order to get around static price perception and inflation. And because of all that, publishers have stopped taking risks with quirky new concepts. The reason there's a new Call of Duty and NFL game every year is because they're safe. Static prices lead to a static industry that churns out the same games over and over again, and only occasionally tries something new. They know how to recover their money, and stick to it.
Games Workshop and miniatures as a whole haven't really had the ability to switch to a low-cost on-demand production (yet). They can't realistically cut production costs by making instructions electronic only, and can't drop their material and machining costs at all. They can't sell most microtransactions at all, and models have far longer lifespans than the vast majority of video games. Nintendo will probably sell me another Mario Kart down the line, GW's never going to be able to sell me another Tactical Marine. As a result, GW also has to take those risks with new stuff that EA and the like have opted out of. They're dealing with a lot of the same problems as they occupy a similar entertainment niche and consumer perceptions, but don't have the same ways to circumvent it. One of the few things they CAN do that the video game companies can't is raise relative prices on completely new kits and still manage to sell some of them. It's not a total justification of their price increases but I think it's a partial defense, though I do suspect GW is perhaps drawing a few too many ideas from that industry and mishandling others.
lobbywatson wrote:Amen to GrayHamster and calamarialldayerrday!!
Side note as I see where this hate fest is going. I have never played war machine hordes. I know nothing about it. Zero. I've seen the models in stores. You know what else I've never done.
Gone to a war machine forum/thread and said a word. Wanna know why? Because its ok they like it. I'm cool with it. My game is better for ME. I don't know if its better for them. I don't care. I'm not here to recruit them or bash their game. Totally their prerogative. Enjoy your game. Now please follow this advice.
I like my war games like I like my religion. It's totally fine for you to worship whatever you want. If I want to know about I'll invite you over. Until that day keep it to yourself. I'll stick with my atheism.
alex87 wrote:
Murdius Maximus wrote: If you quit, then quit. If you want validation for your reasons for quitting, I guess you came to the right place but why even bother if you hate it so much? Wasted energy if you ask me...
Agreed 100%. This is just nihilistic panty-flapping.
OP creates an account after 'LONG' time lurking just to make a post to tell everyone he is quitting, that we can safely assume he won't be re-visiting again. Think we can let this one die...
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Officially elevated by St. God of Yams to the rank of Scholar of the Church of the Children of the Eternal Turtle Pie at 11:42:36 PM 05/01/09 
