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Everything seems to be building toward a breaking point in the city where it just gives up. My guess is going to be the solution to "who killed the Wayne's" will be the moment that sends it careening down the rabbit hole.

I'm enjoying the show, and it was interesting to see how they set some things up, such as the early Venom, but I feel like they need to wrap the show up in two seasons or the story will get muddled.

I'm enjoying it, but keep thinking their in danger if making every Batman Universe villain Jim Gordon's fault because of some innocuous butterfly effect type exposition.

The only annoying thing is Edward Nigma turning up every other week and almost looking at the camera, raising his eyebrows and mouthing "guess who I am?" Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

Balloon man was alright in a clumsy foreshadowing kinda way.

Weird thing I found is that Gotham seems to be getting wide audience demographics in my experience. I've already had a few conversations with some ladies my office about it who I overheard talking about it who I wouldn't have had down as you typical comic book show fans. There seems to be some wide appeal here, I'm sure the OC connection helps.

So, this week's episode, "penguin's umbrella" was just as mu cheaper fun as I had anticipated. Did anyone else catch it? What did yall think?

I think episode 7 tided up the relationships between the mob bosses nicely. Can't say too much, don't want to spoil it. for UK viewers.

Edited wrong episode given.

It was pretty epic. Just the moment I think we've been waiting for to take the series from just decent to epic.

 LordofHats wrote:
It was pretty epic. Just the moment I think we've been waiting for to take the series from just decent to epic.

Yeah, I think it needed that point showing that Gordon wants to do something but is impotent to affect real change in the end. Zsasz was well done, and showed how screwed up the GCPD is. Yeah, there are a few good people in it but in the end they are to scared or indifferent to do anything. Bullcok showed that push come to shove eh would rather be a good guy than a bad guy. With last weeks episode it seems like they are trying to make out that Bullock is who Gordon would become if it weren't for Batman. He started out idealistic but was beaten down by the City. The Penguin is doing a good job of manipulating things in his favor, but then he always has, hasn't he?

Anyone else think that this week's episode was a bit of filler?

Also, with the happenings of the Wayne "family" I get the distinct feeling that they are wanting to move the plot along quite a bit quicker than they originally wanted, in hopes of not getting the Firefly or Enlisted, or Almost Human treatment.

Next week one of Gordon's love interests pops up and with Barbara walking out it opens up some possibilities. I'm betting when Barbara shows up again it will be because she is pregnant. I agree that this episode was mostly moving pieces into place for later episodes. We know the Falcone and Maroni families are around in Bats time, but Fish ain't, so something will happen at some point to her and her empire.

 Ahtman wrote:
Next week one of Gordon's love interests pops up and with Barbara walking out it opens up some possibilities. I'm betting when Barbara shows up again it will be because she is pregnant. I agree that this episode was mostly moving pieces into place for later episodes. We know the Falcone and Maroni families are around in Bats time, but Fish ain't, so something will happen at some point to her and her empire.

Not sure whether to spoiler this or not, but I wonder if Gordon's speculation regarding the Wayne's death isn't actually something more sinister?

I think the waynes death was due too wayne industries wanting him out of the way.

We're still several episodes behind the states. However, I'm still holding out on hope that the Wayne deaths were just a sad, random event of violence that could happen to so many people.

I've always felt that sort of thing is incredibly important for the, I dunno, is mythos the right word? Mystique? Of the Batman comics.

 Compel wrote:
We're still several episodes behind the states. However, I'm still holding out on hope that the Wayne deaths were just a sad, random event of violence that could happen to so many people.

I've always felt that sort of thing is incredibly important for the, I dunno, is mythos the right word? Mystique? Of the Batman comics.

I'm inclined to somewhat agree with you, especially in light of Gordon's comments in "The Mask" (the most recent Stateside episode), but I do wonder about whether it'll play more significance into the story

I thought they already, essentially, stated that Martha and Thomas Wayne were impeding the Arkham project and that forces within their company and without (mafia/government) conspired to remove them from the equation.

 Ahtman wrote:
I thought they already, essentially, stated that Martha and Thomas Wayne were impeding the Arkham project and that forces within their company and without (mafia/government) conspired to remove them from the equation.

I thought it was more they had a "good" plan that actually benefited a great number of poorer Gothamites, but that plan didn't exactly profit for the mobsters... Maybe I heard stuff wrong

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
I thought they already, essentially, stated that Martha and Thomas Wayne were impeding the Arkham project and that forces within their company and without (mafia/government) conspired to remove them from the equation.

I thought it was more they had a "good" plan that actually benefited a great number of poorer Gothamites, but that plan didn't exactly profit for the mobsters... Maybe I heard stuff wrong

Their 'good' plan would have impeded the powers that were more interested in $$$.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
I thought they already, essentially, stated that Martha and Thomas Wayne were impeding the Arkham project and that forces within their company and without (mafia/government) conspired to remove them from the equation.

I thought it was more they had a "good" plan that actually benefited a great number of poorer Gothamites, but that plan didn't exactly profit for the mobsters... Maybe I heard stuff wrong

Their 'good' plan would have impeded the powers that were more interested in $$$.

You guys should have paid more attention to the viper episode. There was a lot of things going on the waynes were holding back.

The Viper episode just aired in the UK on Monday.

My understanding is that there are a lot of things Wayne Enterprises were holding back.

So, after digesting this weeks' episode, I am STILL only thinking about next week's "fall finale" (are they really doing a Dr. Who Series/Season 7 thing and splitting it into two parts?).

And that's because of what they show of Alfred in the episode preview!

 Compel wrote:
My understanding is that there are a lot of things Wayne Enterprises were holding back.

Same. The company was doing some shady gak, but Martha and Thomas were not. Everything seems to say they were doing what they could to keep the city in check, and it probably what cost them their lives.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Compel wrote:
My understanding is that there are a lot of things Wayne Enterprises were holding back.

Same. The company was doing some shady gak, but Martha and Thomas were not. Everything seems to say they were doing what they could to keep the city in check, and it probably what cost them their lives.

This would be the traditional story, but I think it's also possible the Waynes were complicit, but decided they were going to stop and started to turn on the 'conspiracy' in Gotham and that their reversal got them killed.

What is it with all these shows needing someone's wife/girlfriend to actually be a lesbian? Now it's on Gotham, too.

 Breotan wrote:
What is it with all these shows needing someone's wife/girlfriend to actually be a lesbian? Now it's on Gotham, too.

Because it's Edgy and everyone* likes girl on girl.

*As in the only everyone that matters. Am I right bros? (Sarcasm)

Personally, I find it more annoying that every show has to have a myth arc. Granted, so far I like Gotham's, but Supernatural I think went horribly down hill because its myth arc is just terrible. Then Revolution, which could have been a cool show, forwent it's own coolness to have a myth arc that makes the story utterly stupid. Not every show needs a damn myth arc.

What's funny is though, there's a certain character that just showed up this last episode who is prone to superstitious actions, as well as outbursts that run contrary to their "normal" behavior... and my wife says, "well, they didn't do that right, because they didn't get that way until AFTER they become a supervillain"

To which I replied, "I think they did it just fine, afterall much of THAT character's issues would already have been there, just after their transformation, it became REALLY apparent"

I also noticed that. His, explosive outburst, yes? This was something the Dark Knight did very well I think. Presenting Harvey Dent as a man who was already twisted on the inside, and who simply needed a push to throw him off the edge. We don't see that presentation of him in many adaptations.

How cool would it be if during the course of the series, he got his 2 headed coin? Maybe a 'war trophy' from a high profile case?

 LordofHats wrote:
I also noticed that. His, explosive outburst, yes? This was something the Dark Knight did very well I think. Presenting Harvey Dent as a man who was already twisted on the inside, and who simply needed a push to throw him off the edge. We don't see that presentation of him in many adaptations.

How cool would it be if during the course of the series, he got his 2 headed coin? Maybe a 'war trophy' from a high profile case?

Ahhh I missed it XD

I thought they moved to quickly, and a bit clumsily, on ol' Harvey tbh. It was fine introducing him as a new low level assistant DA, but having him in half-light/half dark was a bit to on the nose and he shouldn't have had an outburst just yet. They should have built him up more as being a good guy before throwing hints that something was hiding under the surface.

Penguin is still going strong of course.

I thought Harvey was the same age as Bruce and that they were friends?

Surely it's his accident that pushes him over the edge. He has the mental health problems/split personality going on but manages to keep it suppressed.

I always thought TAS gives a great blueprint for the feel of the characters.

I'm enjoying Gotham but I do agree that it's a little heavy handed on the references. Totally agree that there's too much "nudge, nudge, wink, wink".

If Viper is the pre-requisite to Venom which has already been produced then what is Bane getting experimented on with while in prison?

I do enjoy Penquin though. I assume he'll get Fish's empire. There's a one liner in there somewhere.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I thought Harvey was the same age as Bruce and that they were friends?

I always thought he was slightly older, but that is one of those things that is malleable.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
I thought Harvey was the same age as Bruce and that they were friends?

I always thought he was slightly older, but that is one of those things that is malleable.

Yeah, maybe it's the artistic style that I've personally seen in print (which isnt much, TBH, it's well documented in OT that I'm a Marvel guy ), but I kind of always thought that the majority of B-Man's villains were more of an age with him, and that there weren't too many that were significantly older or significantly younger than him.