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 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Still trying to claim you were just "joking" without giving any indication of context, huh? Also, why are you trying to drag another thread into this one?

LOL. Thats all im going to say.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

The authorities have said that both attackers were extremists tempted by war in Syria, but have found neither any connection between them nor evidence of a wider plot.

This is, sadly, a strength of Islamic extremism. There needs not be a wider plot. The propaganda that groups like ISIS produce enables the disenfranchised to self motivate and carry out small attacks independent of a direct order from a leader.

How is it extremism? KILL MAIM BURN* seems to be pretty much a thing with islamic countries. Everytime somebody does something anti-islam news show how there are masses wanting stone somebody to death sometimes with raping included.

*burning is more of a christian thing though.

 Daemonhammer wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Still trying to claim you were just "joking" without giving any indication of context, huh? Also, why are you trying to drag another thread into this one?

LOL. Thats all im going to say.

Let us stick to the topic.

 Frazzled wrote:

Thats an amazingly stupid idea.

As far as I know overpentration on a .22 short is less than 36 inches, and the force imparted by the round is lower than that of any 9mm; even on initial impact.

 Frazzled wrote:

Ditto. They are very accurate.

I'm not disputing the quality of the round, I'm disputing its suitability for general police work. And, in parallel, the willingness of police to use their firearms; an argument which dovetails into others regarding the militarization of police forces and the blue code of silence.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

According to the law, yes on all counts. If you want your Stechkin without an NFA stamp it must have a 16" barrel.

They would be considered short-barreled rifles, or machine guns; not long guns.

dogma wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

According to the law, yes on all counts. If you want your Stechkin without an NFA stamp it must have a 16" barrel.

They would be considered short-barreled rifles, or machine guns; not long guns.

Rifles. With short barrels. Long guns. A pistol fitted with a stock is a SBR. Rifles are long guns. You either agree or you are wrong. Either way...not my problem.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
It varies wildly. While police officers in general are famously bad shots, there are a select few departments in particular that are willing to couple that lack of skill with a lack of restraint that leads to so many, many tragedies.

I do not understand the... abdication of responsibility some people are willing to bestow on a city that is responsible for every aspect of a police officers firearm training, and yet considers qualified officers who probably couldn't even shoot accurately enough to get a civilian CCW in some of the stricter states.

From somewhere with such a dim view of firearms I'm not really surprised. Disappointed that proper training is not provided for those carrying firearms to protect themselves and the public, but not surprised.

"Proper training" takes money.
It also, more importantly, takes up time. When you have departments that already have officers working fairly long shifts and overtime, is it really surprising that they do not have free time to put in at the range for what some people consider to be a hobby?

I dunno, I guess I just feel that if you are given a firearm and the authority to use lethal force, the city that gives you both has at least some responsibility to make sure you have the skill to deploy it and the wisdom to know when and when not to. Even if it costs money and time! Crazy talk!

But I guess the city does have better things to spend their money on.

There is always time for training. There are NCO's in LEO's departments. Its consider a additional duty and responsibility. That's just fire arms.

When it comes to military grade hardware then the military needs to conduct the training for them to even handle the hardware.
Manchu thread on this was a good one on where one draws the line of Law Enforcement to Para Military

When money and time management becomes an excuse to not conduct a decent training session then someone is not considering alternates

 Ouze wrote:

I dunno, I guess I just feel that if you are given a firearm and the authority to use lethal force, the city that gives you both has at least some responsibility to make sure you have the skill to deploy it and the wisdom to know when and when not to.

You're absolutely right that the city should have the responsibility to make sure that officers are properly trained in both proper firearms handling and proper knowledge of when firearms should be employed.

Even if it costs money and time! Crazy talk!

Sarcasm aside this is a good point.

But I guess the city does have better things to spend their money on.

Worth noting that the existence of a settlement does not necessarily mean that you are admitting fault. Sometimes it's easier for a police department to just settle.

 Ouze wrote:
I dunno, I guess I just feel that if you are given a firearm and the authority to use lethal force, the city that gives you both has at least some responsibility to make sure you have the skill to deploy it and the wisdom to know when and when not to. Even if it costs money and time! Crazy talk!

But I guess the city does have better things to spend their money on.

And that is the crux of the matter. Carrying a firearm on duty, and being proficient with it is not a hobby. It is a part of that officer's duties and responsibilities, and as such that officer should be required to achieve, and maintain, a basic competency that does not put the officer's life or the lives of citizens at risk. The NYPD has a budget and a headcount larger than the standing army in some countries. To send that many sworn officers out on duty without the proper training for their sidearms is an absolute derogation of responsibility, especially when the NYPD is spending its budget on MRAPs and other military surplus.