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 GoliothOnline wrote:
If a new CSM Codex comes out, Im not buying it unless they roll all our artifacts from the 2 supplements we have into the core codex (Which is actually a rumor im hearing, and hoping to GOD is true)

That's unlikely to happen. When codex updates come around it is out with the old and in with the new when it comes to most artifacts.

Rumours are that there is no new codex.


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Same rumors also say there is a SoB codex this year, so we might as well consider them unreliable

I do believe that this is the year for Sisters. I don't know why but I have a good feeling about it.

Son of aY3ti wrote:

One of the big issues with comparing them is you almost have to take them in an assault vehicle to make them worth it, and for CSM that means LR (without IA:13) and sitting a round after departing from a Rhino causes a lot of casualties as they will attack attention and get shouted up.

I had Chosen with meltas and a five-man squad of CSMs in a building with Cultists coming around the building, with enemy Khorne Berzerkers in Rhinos and termies footslogging like peasants right in front of me. It didn't go well for the Khornates. Dirgecasters do help a bit though.

Pardon? Have I missed something?


The codex was released late in 2012 in October - is it really that time again to throw more money at GW?

If I get a codex that is actually fun to play, that represents the legions in more than an of hand "oh yes, THOSE things" way, and has diverse builds?

Yes. A thousand times yes. Otehrwise its 30k all the way, as I can do a much better legion there than I can in 40k.....

The thing is, whilst CSM do *need* multiple codices to represent different legions mores than SM do for their chapters; CSMs are not the number one selling army so you will not get the same level of detail as SM!

 Pyeatt wrote:
Why? Why do you need a new codex? Oh I get it... because CSM doesn't have Wave Serpents.

Why is that your first reaction? Can we not ask for better internal balance without someone accusing us of only wanting OP units?

lustigjh wrote:

 Pyeatt wrote:
Why? Why do you need a new codex? Oh I get it... because CSM doesn't have Wave Serpents.

Why is that your first reaction? Can we not ask for better internal balance without someone accusing us of only wanting OP units?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the people who hated the Heldrake the most at the time of release was the CSM players - Because it was what kept them competetive.

I hated the helldrake long before I saw the rules and still do even more after seeing the rules. Did they really need to make a dragon for 40k and give it to chaos? The current codex is Codex Dinobots rather than chaos.

I had heard we were getting a flyer called a helldrake and was thinking some kind of sleek evil looking jet fighter in the lines of the Talon fighter. When someone said it looked like a dragon I thought, "HA HA very funny" someone is started stupid rumors and then I saw the first picture and went "W t f? Over." Then I saw the rest of the stupid dinosaurs and hideousness of the dreadnought in the starter box and started buying and painting a 30k army. The current codex is not chaos.

I don't really mind the Dino Bots much and usually use my Forgefiend for all the Dakka it puts out. I am glad we finally got some sort of flyer that wasn't ForgeWorld only.

I kinda wish we had another variant of flyer though like some sort of transport. I feel we don't have as much as other armies to deal with other air units except for Havocs, Heldrakes and a defense line.

SGTPozy wrote:
The thing is, whilst CSM do *need* multiple codices to represent different legions mores than SM do for their chapters; CSMs are not the number one selling army so you will not get the same level of detail as SM!

The same catch 22 that makes the SoB never made:
"We won't make it properly it because it does not sell."
"It does not sell because what we have is not any good."


The chain can only be broken from the GW side. space marines obviously sell better than chaos, because the base marine kits are used for codex armies-who are alone more extensive than the CSM book, and than on top of that are used for DA, BA, SW and GK to some extent. (all vehicles are shared, and BA and DA also uses some of the same infantry)
To make things worse, chaos itself is often using loyalists kits, either in order to supplement its own seriously lacking kits, to make "new traitors", or just to diversify the models.
For example, if you want a cult-like army of robed warriors you get DA boxes for your chaos army. if you want "black knights" look you take GK base models. ferals? SW models. than you sprinkle chaos bits on the models you used as your base. the actual CSM range only gives you the "heretics" looks, and that is one of the many styles of chaos.

A single codex that is a mishmash of mostly poor sub-factions can never compete with five full codcies, and one of them has its own mini-factions inside.
Had each chaos archtype been its own standing codex, they would have sold FAR more. probably beaten loyalists, as they truely have room for 4 distinct codcies far more than loyalists do.
Had the factions inside the codex were properly made to begin with, the sells were far greater-Tzentch and Slannesh lovers nearly do not bother due to poor rules over multiple editions.
Had they recived as much modeling attention-the sells would be better. the chaos "devestators" STILL have no kit after all these years. nor do the chosen. the "dinobots" are awesome, but with core units missing kits-how can you expect high sells?


Chaos does not sell as much as loyalists because chaos does not exist as much as loyalists. the loyalist range is about four times larger across the books, and it offers quite a few desirable models for chaos itself.
Its exactly the same as the SoB case. no models leads to no sells leading to no model. except on a less critical state.
Chaos could EASILY have been 5 codcies rather than the 2 we got now. instead of marines and chaos we could have a "chaos undevided" book containing all the regular dudes, war machines, generic deamons, etc. than 4 god books that have the (expanded) cults, and the god-specific daemons.
And it would have been a MUCH better setting than now. even if it makes the multi-god armies harder to produce (allies required. though even that "problem" would be more fluffy.)

Wasn't CSM the second book they did for 6th?

So the book sucks, but so what? What's next! A new Imperial Knights Codex?

Damn GW, I need to be able to at least blink before you rewrite a book!

Even if Chaos did get the love, they would never overtake SM sales.

Take Tau or Eldar's releases in 6th. They became highly popular but they didn't beat SM sales because nothing will ever beat them.

darkcloak wrote:
Wasn't CSM the second book they did for 6th?

So the book sucks, but so what? What's next! A new Imperial Knights Codex?

Damn GW, I need to be able to at least blink before you rewrite a book!

Yes, it was the second 6th edition codex.

That means that assuming no "new" codices (like that skitari army that is rumored, or the long-lasted real SoB if it happens) there are only 2 more codices before it:
Necrons as the last of the 5th codices, and after that the "oldest" codex is dark angels, AKA the first 6th codex.

Time moves faster than you think.

I wouldn't be hard to simply do four pages or so for each legion with special rules and fluff for each on their background in the current 40k along with special units and what have you. There is a lot of differences between each legion obviously, but its more organizational than anything else which could be quickly written out. The big four are the easiest and most mono-sided. Oh your World Eaters, all units have to take Khorne upgrade or be berserkers, and you get a giant berserker on treads as your LOW. The other four legions would be easier having less special units, but they could easily put in characters from the fluff.