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@brendan

In kenjutsu, you use poles made of bambou, leather (or plastic fr cheap) and straw to replicate with great accuracy the solidity of humen body parts like neck, legs, arms, etc. In feudal Japan, these poles were use to test a katana sharpness and balance. The next step was to test it on executed prisonners or dead bodies depending on the situation. In that martial art, cutting «heads» and «limbs» is a bit like breaking pine boards in karate. It's an easy feat, yet a very cool one to do.

@dethork

Good point you make there. Eldars are, after reading their trilogie, very pacifist in nature. They hate and fear agression and war because it caused their downfall and deep down they love it. Warriors aren't realy well seen and Exarch feared and loathed yet respected for their important role. Space Marine get a similar kind of loathing to exarchs for they are similar in mind.

 dusara217 wrote:
You guys need to understand that each Eldar Aspect is a specialization. If a Space Marine faces off with an Eldar Aspect Warrior when he's in his element, then the Astartes will get curbstomped. If they face off outside of the Eldar's element, then -unless the Eldar has previously worked on other paths that specialize in that other element- then the Eldar will get curbstomped. The Aspect Warriors are specialists, Space Marine are generalists. Space Marines are great all-around, while Aspect Warriors are fething amazing in one area and meh in the rest.


As far as Eldar looking down on Space Marines, a Gorilla can rip you in half without trying, but a Gorilla is still a lesser being, no?

Not necessarily curb-stomped but an Aspect Warrior is good match for a Space Marine if slightly worse due to inferior armor. Now, if you want to see a rofl stomp try Harlequins.Those guys own Marines.

I defer to the DOW2 Eldar-versus-BR-then-suddenly-Tyranids trailer. The Space Marines and Eldar kick the ever-living sh*t out of eachother, yet neither side shows any respect at all. SM and Eldar hate eachother viciously, and they're both right to do so.

From a combat standpoint the Eldar certainly wouldn't be foolish enough to discount marines as inferior soldiers due to their human origin. I always imagined the Eldar would be disgusted by what lengths the human race would go to in the pursuit of warfare.

 Wyzilla wrote:

I would hold a grudging respect for ISIS if they actually were half decent soldiers. Compared to the military of my nation or those of our allies however.... their abilities are fairly lack luster.

Weird. They've run rings around the Iraqi army, an army trained and equipped by the West. And they're still doing it. I guess this is sort of like how many people still view the Waffen-SS. They can't separate the political motivations from the military abilities.

MarsNZ wrote:
From a combat standpoint the Eldar certainly wouldn't be foolish enough to discount marines as inferior soldiers due to their human origin. I always imagined the Eldar would be disgusted by what lengths the human race would go to in the pursuit of warfare.

 Wyzilla wrote:

I would hold a grudging respect for ISIS if they actually were half decent soldiers. Compared to the military of my nation or those of our allies however.... their abilities are fairly lack luster.

Weird. They've run rings around the Iraqi army, an army trained and equipped by the West. And they're still doing it. I guess this is sort of like how many people still view the Waffen-SS. They can't separate the political motivations from the military abilities.

Running rings around the Iraqi army is less impressive then beating a paraplegic in a 300 meter dash.

Meanwhile if the First World ever decided to go full Total War upon ISIS, there wouldn't even be bodies left to bury.

 797th Red Tigers wrote:
As I understand it, the eldar see most, if not all humans as lesser beings. This is often (and not at all subtly) implied to be the same as the way humans treat monkeys in real life. Hell, they even call us Mon'Keigh, which practically is the word Monkey. However, the Eldar probably recognize the Space Marines and all their augmentations as something different from the average human. While probably not by very much, I'd wager that the Eldar do have a modicum more respect for the SM than the average 'Mon'Keigh'.

Actually, the Eldar word mon-keigh (for all non-eldar, not just humans; it applies to Tau orks as well) translates more roughly to "pond scum" than to "ape". Space Marines, on the other hand, they call ignorant brutes, suggesting that, while they still do not consider them anywhere near equal, they do respect them enough to be elevated above pond scum level.

Space Marines aren't people. Sometimes an ape can do quasi a intelligent things, but its still just a big dumb ape.

If an Aspect Warrior fights a Space Marine, Eldar lose, even if the Aspect Warrior wins. There are too many threats to the Eldar, and they are a broken people. When they win, they never have to take the field.

I actually go into every game knowing, fluffwise, I've already lost. I'm just mitigating how badly. Even if I run the table.

Eldar going to war isn't neccesarily them losing as they can't get other people to do everything.

Pretty sure the Eldar think Space Marines are a match for Aspect Warriors but do look down on them.

what about Grey Knights though, of all there closest aligned to Eldar.

there literally Anti chaos, powerful abilities and both can agree on one thing, a joint hatred of chaos.

Grey Knights are seen as algae.

Pond scum. They are around because the pond is sick, and they're fighting off something that would destroy the ecosystem. But still some sickly pond scum we'd rather not touch.

 jhe90 wrote:
what about Grey Knights though, of all there closest aligned to Eldar.

there literally Anti chaos, powerful abilities and both can agree on one thing, a joint hatred of chaos.

They're still humans wholely consumed by their need to wage war and an utter lack of what eldar consider to be civilization.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Running rings around the Iraqi army is less impressive then beating a paraplegic in a 300 meter dash.

Sadly true. Armies in that area buy lots of nice modern guns, but they're still dominated by their old tribal systems. A western army cross-trains soldiers, so that everyone can do his primary role and fill in as another if needed. A tribe doesn't work like that. A specialist isn't as valuable or revered if he can be replaced by any other grunt, so he keeps his training to himself. When they lose their AT guy no one else is likely to have the training to pick up and use his weapon. And you might shame his tribe if you were better than him. Not good.

Some Elite formations might be different, but regulars are pretty sad most of the time. Better for parades than actual wars.

Spetulhu wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Running rings around the Iraqi army is less impressive then beating a paraplegic in a 300 meter dash.

Sadly true. Armies in that area buy lots of nice modern guns, but they're still dominated by their old tribal systems. A western army cross-trains soldiers, so that everyone can do his primary role and fill in as another if needed. A tribe doesn't work like that. A specialist isn't as valuable or revered if he can be replaced by any other grunt, so he keeps his training to himself. When they lose their AT guy no one else is likely to have the training to pick up and use his weapon. And you might shame his tribe if you were better than him. Not good.

Some Elite formations might be different, but regulars are pretty sad most of the time. Better for parades than actual wars.

Plus unlike the tribal based armies, professional one's don't abandon their posts simply because of the boogeyman coming to get them like the Iraqis'.

You are all aware that the Iraqi army has a handle on the situation now and is pushing back IS on all fronts whilst currently making plans to take back Mosul - the only major city still under IS control?
Are you also aware that IS has a multitude of members who have fought in and trained for multiple wars stretching back in some cases to fighting the Russians in Afghanistan? They are equipped to a standard far higher than any mere militia, and use tactics of mobility, rarely keeping forces in the same place for extended periods, so they become hard to pin down?

By the sounds of it we seem to have a very eldar 'nose high-in-the-air' view of people from the middle east on here.


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Poly Ranger wrote:
You are all aware that the Iraqi army has a handle on the situation now and is pushing back IS on all fronts whilst currently making plans to take back Mosul - the only major city still under IS control?
Are you also aware that IS has a multitude of members who have fought in and trained for multiple wars stretching back in some cases to fighting the Russians in Afghanistan? They are equipped to a standard far higher than any mere militia, and use tactics of mobility, rarely keeping forces in the same place for extended periods, so they become hard to pin down?

By the sounds of it we seem to have a very eldar 'nose high-in-the-air' view of people from the middle east on here.


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(IS not ISIS now).

I had no idea, tbh. Good to know we didn't completely waste all of our time and lives and money in Iraq.