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 screaminskull wrote:
I seen something about splicing spider genes into goats so they would produce large quantities of silk in their milk.
If you want blue faced marines go for it - I was going to add "who cares" but after reading this thread the answer seems to be quite a few folk.

Spiders would be much more closely related to humans than the Tau would be. We're not from different planets after all.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.



 
   
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 GKTiberius wrote:
What if you framed it in an unintentional vector? What if a chapter of marines were deployed on a world with a Tau presence? And what if this chapter was infected by an engineered virus, the origins of which are up to you, but that virus had taken elements of tau DNA from the local tau and implanted it in a limited fashion into the genetic structure of the SM. The changes could be largely aesthetic, but also makes them blanks (the original purpose of the virus) because tau have no presence in the warp. The chapter, wanting to be loyal to the Imperium, try to hide this secret shame by quarantining themselves on this world and or system, defending humanity in the area from threats, but in the process of executing these missions, they develop a positive relationship with the local Tau, so they adopt the altruism of the greater good philosophy, and apply it to their situation. The genetic blending is there and the ideological bleed over is there, and in a far less ridiculous way. ( I’m sorry man, I’m trying to help you here, because I like the idea of out of the box fluff, but you do have to stay within the bounds of certain norms, and willful cross breeding of human and xenos species would never ever be permitted by any official Imperium group or organization.)


That could work, but something even more plausible is for the Tau themselves to try and recreate the Astartes.

Tau are highly advanced, Tau also know they cant fight out of a wet paper bag without ranged weapons. Tau also know that marines are the result of highly advanced technological meddling on Gue basestock. It may be in their interest to start a project of their own.

This is my take on their story....

THE TAU CHAPTER EXPERIMENT
A unclean tale of forbidden knowledge, xenos and heresy from the galactic rim.

After the Damocles gulf debacle the Tau scientists collected many Marine dead. The Ethereal caste instructed the Earth caste to unlock the secrets as quickly as possible, to learn all they could about the strange invaders. For it was long heard from hearsay that the Astartes were engineered by technologies far ahead of that commonly displayed by the Gue. Some invastigation had been made in the past, but never with a sufficient bulk of material, now the Tau could start a program of research and then experimental breeding labs to start making hybrids. The research was long and difficult, hardwired genome locks to a while to decode and even the Earth caste marveled at the depth of technologies involved. But the Tau are patient and the Tau are focused, and eventually after much expense in time and resources they unlocked the Astartes genecode. While any attempt to synthesize genecode failed, natural genecode from Astartes hosts could easily be replicated, as the Imperium had intended. And soon the first batch of 528* Gue'el, Tau human hydrids were fabricated. The Gue'el had some Tau morphic features, including and especially brain matter which as the Aun were convinced would cause the resultant hybrid to be locked into Greater Good and would accept the authority of the Ethereal way.
However there was one element they overlooked, because there was one angle they could not see. The psychic connection.
Now the Tau are far from ignorant of psychic power, they have witnessed Eldar, they have witnessed materialised beasts from the immaterium, the Gue and Eldar alike call demons. They even witnessed psychic powers amongst many of their enemies. But all these powers could never interfere with the natural bond the Ethereal council had with the other four castes, and so a Gue'el hybrid warrior with a tau hybrid brain would logically serve loyally if taught to wisdom of the Tau way, as manty free Gue had done so.
With the testing of the first batch the theories of the Aun, as always, were proven correct. The hybrids obeyed every command given to them, and in some cases were given false opportunity to escape or prove their loyalty and on each occasion proved their worth to the Tau. Furthermore their obedience was intelligent, not servile, on given a task the Gue would accomplish it by the most efficient means and without disobeyin the orders given would ver from them to fulfil the wilful task instructed. This levity was also bonded with firm obedience on those occasions when a task was ordered performed a certain way, and without a moment of hesitation. These results please the Aun, mindful rather than mindless obedience was the epitome of good service. On hindsight it was at the stage when the Ethereal council, pleased with the results of the testing ordered full production that things began to go wrong.

While the Tau brain matter was certainly blank, blank the geneseed certainly is not, it has a connection to the lost primarch, and share his core loyalties. The Tau made the first batch of Gue'el clones and gave them reconstructed Astartes armour and converted tau weaponry. However the Gue'el hearing the call of their blood heritage from the warp remembered their primarchs (probably geneseed from more than one source legion) and bent knee to the Emperor quietly and in secret. In each and every one there was a locator and recorder beacon watching for any sign of treachery, any hint of dissent, and true to the famed stubborn allegiance the Gue'el never once uttered a single word of complaint or lack of compliance. The rebellion started in the eyes, the marines would look at each other, and knew, instinctively, where their loyalties lay. Once the Gue'el had been divided into eight companies of eight squads each of eight warriors and their Commander and sub-commanders allocated to them things moved quickly.
Many Aun, truly believing in the loyalty of their proteges, attended an inaugural Chapterwide full battle exercise, this was not the first such exercise, but it was the first post assignment of the full command structure. During the exercise the OpFor, an entire tribe of kroot with holographic weaponry simulating characteristics of the Orkoids were deployed in a jungle defence. Six simulated civilian mining bases were placed in the jungle at sites logical for mining operation, but not for tactical defence. The Gue'el were to make do and defend the jungle, both scouring it of orkoids and defending precious the Tau citizens at the mines, (who were all holograms) from the orkoid menace until a signified time which simulated the arrival of Tau hunter cadres.
The exercise was coordinated from an offsite command centre by the new Commander and his staff watched over by several octs of eager Aun.

About midway through engagement when circumstance had required, or in hindsight, been arranged, for well over half of the defending Gue'el to be in their Devilfish. The Devilfish, responding to an alert from somewhere to look out for simulated ork fighterz dove to treetop flight. This most impressed the Aun, while Devilfish had advanced avionic suites the Gue'el pilots had reflexes unmatched by any Fire caste pilot and were able to tax miracles of performance from their machines. Flying at speeds and altitudes no Tau pilot would dare to do the Devilfish disappeared one by one from even the most advanced scanners, aided by their own on board ECM suites. An old veteran Commander still wary of their new army requested that locator beacons be activated, however was orruled by Aun'o Vor'she'tal, the senor Aun present, under the assurances of Aun'vre Hg'est, the project operational overseer, Hg'est had bravely placed himself in frequent increasingly danger alongside the Gue'el over many months and was entirely convinced of their loyalty, but it was Vor'she'tal who spoke. 'To activate the locator beacons would reveal the true location of the forces which while operating under deep stealth would be in part a mystery even to their own commanders, and doing so would invalidate half the benefits of the exercise'. The Aun'o had spoken, so old commander bowed reverently and waited.

Some minutes later the old veteran was amongst the first to notice the reappearance of several Devilfish on a high speed low altitude approach vector, and was the first to die when a Gue'el communications officer reached around and snapped his neck before he could give warning.
A single word in Gothic was wide broadcast by the Commander, Gue'el #304, who as a clone was by tradition yet unnamed by his masters until his first field service. Commander 304 then himself activated the locator beacons in his battle brothers, and rapidly gave relocation orders to his whole Chapter by a lightpen on the strategic map. He had little to do, most had anticipated his desired positioning correctly. But as he had yet work to do it was thus to his sub-Commander that befell the honour of ripping Aun'vre Hg'est's head from his shoulders before beating Aun'o Vor'she'tal to death with it. The few armed guards in the room had barely raised their weapons before they were wrenched from their grasp by Gue'el command staff and the massacre began in earnest.
The Gue'el could have rebelled at any time after they had first made eye contact with each other, but needing a command structure to fight properly as battle brothers and unable to confer they waited into their erstwhile victims had given them one.

With the slaughter of the Aun the remaining Gue'el ignored all their holographic defence points and mounted their vehicles. The bewildered kroot tribesmen, still unaware the exercise was void advanced on the prefab blocks of the mining camps to signify a 'loot-for-da-orks' victory condition, with high expectation of a resultant bonus pay! The kroot commanders knew something was up when their communications, even downgraded to ork levels, revealed the the Gue'el had abandoned all the objectives and were not concentrating on some. But by then it was too late.
Tau of all castes in the vicinity of the command dome were stunned to a near a catatonic paralysis with the rapid slaughter of so many Aun. Those few still able to fight were quickly cut down. The only threat of resistance came from the attendant Kroot tribal guard who had erected ceremonial huts and warpaint rather than join their tribesmen in the exercise due to the importance of the occasion and the exalted guest list. While armed with only fighting staves and no ammo they were deemed only a secondary risk. But the packs of kroot hounds traditionally accompanying tribal leadership would be a problem as they were impressive enough, but reinforced by the warrior kroot packs, for simple reason that they couldn't effectively be deployed in simulations.. As the massed throng of hounds galloped into the command dome howling the sub-Commander picking up the bodies of the two nearest dead ethereals hurled them out into the corridor and shut the door barring it with his bodyweight. While the door would not hold the kroot hounds long, it need not do so. Instinctively the hounds fed on the flesh presented to them and were intoxicated by ethereal meat tearing and biting into each other.
The Commander 304 opened his communication stud and asked to parley with the tribal chiefs, identifying himself as he did no as 'Commander Honorius' as he dipped his finger in flesh ethereal blood and daubed an aquila on his brow.
The Aun were dead, those Tau not yet dead were paralysed with grief and their equipments taken. Why throw away his warriors lives against a foe they could not defeat. The Kroot called off their hounds before the slaughter in the corridor spilled out, such rich flesh was too much for simple animalistic kroot, and the Chief shaper approached the doors alone and asked entry. Commander 304/Honorius offered the Kroot chief a traditional alliance-feast in return for a ceasefire, pointing to the heaps of dead Aun, a flesh strictly forbidden, as bond-token. The tribe agreed, as much for the opportunity to eat aunflesh as the chance to escape a one sided brutal engagement. Even before their first bite they knew that this tribes service to the Tau Empire was now over and they would be hunted as renegades; but after their bit upon the succulent fresh aunflesh they knew..... so much more. With the self control the hounds lacked the tribal elders gobbled their feast and an in their eyes grew new deeper intelligence. With his bolstered will the high chief commended the feast to stop while half the meat was yet uneaten. Commander Honorius, thought the remainder was for him, and was about to offer the chief to continue when the tribal chiefs called for and ushered in he tribal mothers. As the kroot females, from the most venerable cronemother to young unnested females of all ages entered, to each was gaven an equal share of aunflesh, and each grew in mental stature.

This puzzled Commander Honoriusm as the best meats were given to the warriors. Meanwhile the tribe acted quickly and gathering each and every earth caste scientists of note in the vicinity, and there were many, they fed them to the tribes females.
Offering his claw to the Commander he proclaimed that a ceasefire was not enough to survive retribution. The Kroot would follow the Gue'el to a new life if they allowed it. The females of this tribe, gifted as the elders were now gifted with exalted intelligence, but exempt from military risk were in good position to serve as artificers. And if this were not enough, a number of Gue were kept in the vicinity as breedstock and for purposes of technological adaption even a few captured tech-priests
were being experimented on. The Earth caste had leaned much about the 'mechanicus' and through the feast of aunflesh and the earth caste buffet following it, now so did the tribes females.

And so it was that a Kroot warsphere, followed with its tribe, a half chapter of renegade marines and many other ordinary gue set sail across the void. Once word reached Tau of the abominations unleashed a huge hue and cry for vengeance was called, but the treacherous Gue'el were too, clever for them. They would allow themselves to be seen, with avenues of pursuit open, but only though ork or tyranid space if the pursuers were to have a chance of catching up with the warsphere. With each month and each battle the rumours grew. They raised Tauspace as they fled, first with small company sized actions of space marines, then later integrated with kroot warriors and ordinary gue with fire warrior equipment. A famed and feared Vre'teran Sergeant fell in battle only to be ensconced in the dreadnought sarcophagus of a Riptide battlesuit, soon followed by a second. Things grew worse and worse as the renegades grew in power alongside their legend.
Eventually the battle damaged hulk of the warsphere was bought to bay and boarded only to be found empty but for a skeleton crew who detonated their vessel with a blast large enough to cripple much of the capturing fleet.

In the aftermath of the capture and its tragic conclusion a flanking Lar'shi cruiser forming picket around the warsphere detected the warpdive exit wake of a large vessel at extreme range. Playing back sensor footage the air caste intelligence summised that the vessel was a derelict Emperor class battleship unmistakably refitted with Tau technology, accompanies by several smaller escort vessels which could not be clearly identified at that range. A burst of comms traffic accompanied the warp dive, much of it human vox signal, but some unmistakably kroot in origin.
Seeing the warship as was on an escape vector beyond Tau space and the lost Aun had been symbolically avenged with the destruction of the warsphere the Ethereal council forbade further pursuit and ordered all reports of the final engagement and the strange vessel encountered to be stricken from all records.

From that point onward no further research into retrofitting Astertes genetic technologies into Tautech has been attempted, and this field of genetic exploration has been placed in 'indefinite supension' by the Ethereal Council.

And what of the Tau renegade chapter, only conjecture folows them now. Some believe they inevitably gave in to their xenophobic instincts and threw their kroot allies out of the airlock, others say they were undoubtably eaten by the tyranids out in fringespace. Others say they are still out there, roaming between the stars, loyal to but never attempting formal contact with the Imperium. Rumours of a renegade human battegroup, with a mixture of Tau and imperial technologies accompanied by savage kroot horde has been seen fighting as mercenaries alongside the Alaitoci against the necrons, and were rumoured to be the true reason how the Mass Conveyor Vincix Regias and eight million colonists escaped Hive fleet Gorgon; and the mysterious unpoken defenders by the shine world is St Justinia was freed from threat of Waargh Trashnutz matches their description. But then, who knows of such things but the Holy Inquisition, and to whom do they speak


*1000 battle brothers in base eight, a natural round number for a Tau. Plus a two eight Gue'el Battlegroup command teams.

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Holy Terra.

I kinda wanted them to be allied with the tau, not Shute if you said something about that there, stop reading at paragraph 5.
Wow. You really need to become a professional author.

   
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Interesting story Orlanth. It may be heretical, but I like it a lot. It is more believable than half of what CS Goto has ever written.

What I would have done different is that since the Tau technology is not advanced enough to create space marines (Human DAoT tech, which was used in the marine project is still leagues ahead of the Tau) I would have made it into a secret AdMech project to fuse Tau genetic material with Space Marines in order to create Warp-resistant Space Marines. This research would then be captured by the Tau and used to create the 'Tau Space Marines'.

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I like it but its missing something.... Multilasers perhaps?


Jokes aside, this is pretty awesome.


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If you want blue-faced Marines that ally with Tau, why do they have to be blue-skinned mutants? I've read stories somewhere of human Tau sympathizers wearing blue face paint to show their allegiance. I think it was actually the Ciaphas Cain novel someone mentioned earlier in the thread.

So perhaps we have a renegade Marine chapter that allies with the Tau and adopts the tradition of using blue skin dye or face paint as a sign of solidarity with their new brethren and starts adopting xenos tech as their original weapons wear out from lack of new supplies from the Imperium. They'd need to do so anyway since Techmarines need to be trained directly by the Cult Mechanicus. That way you get your blue skin and Tau bits while having a reasonable explanation that doesn't send anyone into a fit of rage. Let's be honest, 40k is a game you have to play with other people. As cool as it sounds to not care what others think, you'll have a better time if you take care not to disrupt other players' roleplay experience.

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 Iron_Captain wrote:
Interesting story Orlanth. It may be heretical, but I like it a lot. It is more believable than half of what CS Goto has ever written.


Thanks for the feedback, just an idea and a fair bit of speedtyping. It would need to go through several more drafts to be properly presentable though, but as its just a post on a thread I wont bother.

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I love the people trying to throw scientific facts in an discussion based on a technologically advanced future with aliens and gods and robot zombies.

However, I do find it a bit far fetched that they would at all be accepted by the Imperium.

It does sound like an interesting Chapter idea though.
   
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Holy Terra.

That------
IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING WHY CANT THIS HAPPEN WHEN YOU HAVE NECRONS:::::::::

   
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I love the people trying to throw scientific facts in an discussion based on a technologically advanced future with aliens and gods and robot zombies.


The scientific observations and and other conjecture are in support of and supported by the fluff. You could use handwaivery and say that the genetic structures of the Tau and Humans are compatible, but common sense and out modern understanding of genetics say otherwise. there is probably a way to splice the DNA of two different extraplanetary creatures, but as our civilization hasn't reached a point where we could even begin to research that, all we have is conjecture. In cannon references of things like bio transference and the warp and other such things, are things humanity doesn't understand. If it exists in a universe based on fundamental laws like ours, then there would be a way to observe, reproduce and explain the workings of any occurrence. The things that seem impossible and "Magic" are just occurring in such a way that no one understands their fundamental processes yet. you could very well say that the tau and the humans could interbreed or were compatible on that level, but it is prohibitively unlikely and moving ahead anyway invites a lot of criticism, because people are going to call BS. They will do so because it flies in the face of all of the cannon. It would be like saying Han solo suddenly after watching the rebels blow up the death star decided to learn how to use the force, either by way of practice or by some sort of scientific way, and went around smuggling and being a scoundrel, only now with force powers like mind control and force lightning. It is technically possible (as it is a fictional universe and anything they write for it becomes cannon), but if it happened so many people would get mad because it flies in the face of established Fluff.

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Granted, I'm fairly new to the tabletop version of 40k, I have been in the 40k fluff since Dawn of War 1.

I have also read a few of the novels and can recall nothing saying that it is impossible.

Also, saying, based off our modern day understanding of science is way off base.
There are many examples of inter-alien-species reproduction is many other futuristic series such as Mass Effect and Guardians of the Galaxy.

The way I look at it, anything is possible in the 40k universe, unless there is some form of fluff specifically banning it.
   
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But not in 40k, What it says in Star Wars, Star Trek or Mass Effect doesn't matter, because this setting is not those settings.

We're also not provided sufficient information on the Tau to know if this is possible. They might, for all we know, lay eggs. The more I re-read Princess of Mars, the more I think this might be the case.

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pawa24 wrote:
Granted, I'm fairly new to the tabletop version of 40k, I have been in the 40k fluff since Dawn of War 1.

I have also read a few of the novels and can recall nothing saying that it is impossible.

Also, saying, based off our modern day understanding of science is way off base.
There are many examples of inter-alien-species reproduction is many other futuristic series such as Mass Effect and Guardians of the Galaxy.

The way I look at it, anything is possible in the 40k universe, unless there is some form of fluff specifically banning it.

Mass Effect only has one example of it, and it's with a parthenogenetic species that just uses sex to pull the lever on a slot machine.

In 40k the only example has been Eldar/Human pairings, and that's more a nod to the fantasy trope of Half elves. And even then the mention of half-Eldar has been languishing in the more obscure parts of the setting, like off handed mentions in some Dark Eldar books.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.



 
   
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And the D'Eldar do all kinds of medical experiments and chimeric gene-splicing and such... so the various half-breeds they have might be birthed by science rather than nature.

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 Psienesis wrote:
And the D'Eldar do all kinds of medical experiments and chimeric gene-splicing and such... so the various half-breeds they have might be birthed by science rather than nature.

Given that it's the Dark Eldar I'm rather morbidly curious as to how high the rape rates are among their captives. Can't imagine either trueborn or vatborn hybrids would get very far in Dark Eldar society though.

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 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.



 
   
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 Kain wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:
And the D'Eldar do all kinds of medical experiments and chimeric gene-splicing and such... so the various half-breeds they have might be birthed by science rather than nature.

Given that it's the Dark Eldar I'm rather morbidly curious as to how high the rape rates are among their captives. Can't imagine either trueborn or vatborn hybrids would get very far in Dark Eldar society though.


175%, at the minimum.

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Holy Terra.

By the way, my friend want a Loyalist "Chaos" chapter, and i was wondering what i more plausible: Option 1 or 2

OPTION 1: they where a squad/ battleforce of Chaos Marines that had wanted torejoin the Imperium since the time of the Heresy

Option 2 : They where created by a Chaos Legions geneseed.

what do you think? are there any other ideas?

Ember


   
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 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
By the way, my friend want a Loyalist "Chaos" chapter, and i was wondering what i more plausible: Option 1 or 2

OPTION 1: they where a squad/ battleforce of Chaos Marines that had wanted torejoin the Imperium since the time of the Heresy

Option 2 : They where created by a Chaos Legions geneseed.

what do you think? are there any other ideas?

Ember



The latter is extremely heavily and incredibly unsubtly implied to be the case with the Blood Ravens, with them potentially being descendants of a part of the Thousand Sons who decided to stay with the Imperium during the Horus heresy. A number of loyalist Death Guard were founding members of the Grey Knights or at least crucial to their formation if memory serves. It's not impossible the other legions would have had enough people stay true to the Imperium to form chapters out of their geneseed, though their lineage would almost certainly be buried deep in the highest classification grades the Imperium can muster.

As for the former:




That's how Astartes who fall to Chaos get redeemed.

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 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.



 
   
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Not to shoot you down like a Riptide shooting a squad of deep striking Terminators but I'm just going to say no. It just doesn't work. If abhumans can't survive gene seed manipulation why would something with even more muddled DNA survive it? The other issue is that Inquisition wouldn't do this maybe and that is a big maybe the Mechanicus would, but probably not.

Now for a more appropriate rewrite. Your ULTRAMARINES successor chapter (based on the galactic location it just makes more sense) were sent off to Armageddon as you said. only 4 companies survived back on their homeworld. Then Fabulous Bile (Fabius Bile) invades with a bunch of guys from the Black Legion sure I guess........ He kills a bunch and captures the rest only after a long and difficult battle with both sides suffering large casualties. Thinking it would be hilarious to genetically experiment on these Ultrasmurfs and make them actually blue he begins to splice their DNA with blueberries... uh I mean Tau using CHAOS!!!!. Many died in the process with just IDK like 200 surviving members. It is at this time that long distance Tau probes scan the planet and sensing the weakened state decide to take the chance to clear the planet. After arriving and chasing Fabulous Bile off world who then manages to escape, the Tau find the remaining Space Marines and don't kill them as they had been offering no resistance due to their weakened state. Being the honorable race they are the Tau allow the Space Marines safe retreat back to the Imperium. Knowing full well that in their current state they would be labeled Renegade and Purged, the Space Marines look to the Tau who would accept them openly into their society. If you wanted to flesh it out more you could write about their multiple previous encounters with the Tau such as during the Damocles Gulf wars. Durring these times the SM would have seen their honor and would not be all xenophobic about them because of it.

Boom there you go now you have Spacemarine/Tau allies that are blue.

Btw I just came up with this crap in like 20 minutes during my break not that it is good or anything but consider it a present from me to you.

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Holy Terra.

Thax
Can they pleeeeeeeeeass be raven guard???
Please?
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 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
Thax
Can they pleeeeeeeeeass be raven guard???
Please?
Ember

Well, in the end they are your guys, so you can do everything you want with them

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Holy Terra.

Ok!!!!! THIS CHAPTER HAS BEEN REVISED!!!!
Chapter Name: Shadow's Hunters!
Status: Loyal, Renegade
Color Scheme: Black, Orange Shoulder Pads, Orange Details
Icon: Black or White Falcon
Battle Cry: For the Greater Good!
Founding:22
Primarch: Corax
Genetic Mutations: Skin has a slight blue tint, low psychic abilities
Home World: T'gris
Fortress Monastery: Destroyed
Active Marines: 847
Recruitment: Mostly from Gue'vesa, also others.
Chapter Master: Ra'van Al'la
Title of Chapter Master: Shas'o
Sworn Enemies: Black Legion,
Rival Chapters: Iron Hands,
Chapter Relics: Corax's Final Gift: A vial of uncorrupted Primachs Geneseed.
Perception of Humanity: Regards the Imperium as misguided, following an Emperor that has outlived his time. Aims to convert as many humans as possible to the Greater Good!

So, changed stuff up, no longer 13th founding, no more "Black Legion Invaded Homeworld"( now just enemies)
Feel free to post oppinions!!!!!!!!!!

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Query: how are the Chapter loyal? You mention that they are loyal, yet they see the Emperor as weak and outlived. That is not really loyal. They feel like renegades, but humanitarian ones, following Tau doctrines rather than Imperial ones.
May I also ask which route you took in choosing how these Marines became bros with the Tau and forsook their Imperium?


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Sounds like a ten year old came up with this.
   
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 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
Ok!!!!! THIS CHAPTER HAS BEEN REVISED!!!!
Chapter Name: Shadow's Hunters!
Status: Loyal, Renegade
Color Scheme: Black, Orange Shoulder Pads, Orange Details
Icon: Black or White Falcon
Battle Cry: For the Greater Good!
Founding:22
Primarch: Corax
Genetic Mutations: Skin has a slight blue tint, low psychic abilities
Home World: T'gris
Fortress Monastery: Destroyed
Active Marines: 847
Recruitment: Mostly from Gue'vesa, also others.
Chapter Master: Ra'van Al'la
Title of Chapter Master: Shas'o
Sworn Enemies: Black Legion,
Rival Chapters: Iron Hands,
Chapter Relics: Corax's Final Gift: A vial of uncorrupted Primachs Geneseed.
Perception of Humanity: Regards the Imperium as misguided, following an Emperor that has outlived his time. Aims to convert as many humans as possible to the Greater Good!

So, changed stuff up, no longer 13th founding, no more "Black Legion Invaded Homeworld"( now just enemies)
Feel free to post oppinions!!!!!!!!!!

Ember


And it's still drivel. This has zero relation with the fluff and would be impossible to occur in-universe. IMO I'd refuse to play against simply out of spite until you write something that isn't a special snowflake chapter incarnate. The Minotaurs would have destroyed them when they first went Xenos. Or alternatively the Ultramarines would have dogpiled them to oblivion.

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 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
The whole idea behind it is that the Tau where a almost galacticlly nonexistent race then, and that the Inquisition was just experimenting with genetic mutations. The greater good existed then, though. SO YEAH IT MAKES PERFECT SENCE IF YOU THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX!!!!
And honestly if Daemons and other Dimensions exist Human/Tau hybrids can too



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And why would the raven guard kill them when there only visible mutation is ther Blueish skin.
Raven Guard have an Albino Skin Mutation.

Ha

*ahem*

The Tau were discovered as abhorrent cave-dwellers during the 35th Millennium, the same millennium as the 13th founding. The planet was marked for exterminatus, and the explorators sodded off again. While it is possible that the Tau were discovered before the 13th founding was created, I find it unlikely to the point of time travelling.

Also, hooves. Dafuq.

Daemons and the Warp exist as extradimensional entities, and xeno biology is incompatible with human biology. The allowance/negation of one does not equate to the allowance/negation of the other.
HOWEVER.
A chapter that has been converted to the Greater Good in the last 2,000 years or so, makes sense from a fluff perspective - they could even modify themselves to ook more Tau (fething heretics).

Also, the Greater Good did not exist during the 13th founding, as the Tau still lived in caves.
   
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Holy Terra.

Ok!!!!! THIS CHAPTER HAS BEEN REVISED!!!! AGAIN!!!!!!

Chapter Name: Shadow's Hunters!
Status: Renegade, but still consider themselves part of the Imperium
Color Scheme: Black, Orange Shoulder Pads, Orange Details
Icon: Black or White Falcon
Battle Cry: For the Greater Good!
Founding:22
Primarch: Corax
Genetic Mutations: Skin has a slight blue tint, low psychic abilities
Home World: T'gris
Fortress Monastery: Destroyed
Active Marines: 847
Recruitment: Mostly from Gue'vesa, also others.
Chapter Master: Ra'van Al'la
Title of Chapter Master: Shas'o
Sworn Enemies: Black Legion,
Rival Chapters: Iron Hands,
Chapter Relics: Corax's Final Gift: A vial of uncorrupted Primachs Geneseed.
Perception of Humanity: Regards the Imperium as misguided. Believes that all humans serve a part in the workings of the Imperium and that all (except those tainted by chaos) should be forgiven and given second, third etc chances.Aims to convert as many humans as possible to the Greater Good!



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How do they seem themselves as part of the Imperium? An Imperium built around xenophobia. That is a complete conflict of philosophies.

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In the eyes of the imperium, "semi-heretical" is kinda a lot like "little bit pregnant" or "partially dead".

The imperium's policy on heresy is pretty black and white.

You ARE or you AREN'T. There is no "middle ground". No "little bit treasonous".

I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.

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 curran12 wrote:
How do they seem themselves as part of the Imperium? An Imperium built around xenophobia. That is a complete conflict of philosophies.

Agreed. If you really want this chapter to work, either scrap this whole "Tau Marines so you can have your cake and eat it too" and settle with a less snowflakey humanitarian Space Marine chapter who may sometimes ally with Tau against a greater threat, OR, one which you'd prefer (given your apparent drive to make the most special snowflake chapter since the UltraMcWolfySmurfWolves), which is keep the Tau Space Marines, but remove any connection to the Imperium or Emperor. Gone. Instead, the Chapter work for the Tau entirely and try to convert people over to the Greater Good, using Tau humanitarianism. They might save a world from destruction only to guilt-trip the Planetary Governor into joining the Greater Good this way?
But yeah, you can't have everything being all rose-coloured and positive in 40k: this is Grimdark, Gods dammit!
Or not. Your dudes.


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