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 Purifier wrote:


Where is the batrep? I'd love to have a look at it.

http://www.twitch.tv/frontlinegaming_tv/v/5819645

 Ir0njack wrote:

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
That people are not focusing on what actually makes it strong *see canticles across the board* and just seeing "FREE UPGRADES" ...

Edit: Apologies for the misquote, website is not that friendly with this mobile phone.

If I buy my Sternguard the way they should be bought, I pay top dollar for their items, but if I call it a formation I suddenly get all upgrades for free. That doesn't make sense! Why do we have point values if they mean nothing?

Can't wait for the Tau codex and the Riptide formation. Buy three Riptides, get a fourth for free. It's all okay because I paid tax by having to take the Riptides in the first place.

Looks like GW stopped trying to assign point values to units and items. Unbound didn't catch wind, I'm sure they now succeeded.

Would you have been happier if they got something else for the formation instead? Something more like what others are getting? Maybe an army wide permanent +1T?

I would be happier with that while playing them.

It's not that this formation is giving more points and no one else is getting anything. Everyone is getting something with their formations that is buffing their whole army. AdMech are getting kitted out units, which, let's be honest, isn't as good. +1 to your Reanimation Protocols is universally good. There is no situation where that isn't going to help you.

Getting alternative weapons for free is in most cases good and in some cases it's just not going to have any impact at all.

I get that it's a good bonus, but it's not as ridiculous as you're all making it out to be. What's ridiculous is Skitarii in nearly free drop pods. That's just broken.

Personally, I feel that the Convocation is one of the few times that Plasma Calivers become a competitive option.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Personally, I feel that the Convocation is one of the few times that Plasma Calivers become a competitive option.

No kidding, the Plasma doubles their cost. W/ the formation you actually can take it and some other units.

I think the formation is no way more broken than the decurion...

If that's allowed there shouldn't be any problems with the war convocation. It's nice seeing an army of the imperium on top.

SGTPozy wrote:
My gaming group has banned the use of both Ad Mech armies so they are in the 'ridiculous tier' along with Eldar and Space Marines

Note to self: never game with SGTPozy and friends.

 Quickjager wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Personally, I feel that the Convocation is one of the few times that Plasma Calivers become a competitive option.

No kidding, the Plasma doubles their cost. W/ the formation you actually can take it and some other units.

yeah the things that you start seeing in the Convocation are things that really are costed terribly.

So you start seeing Calivers, that might have been worth it at 20ppm but cost 30 ppm.
You see a ton of relics, most of them are kinda golly gee this might be worth 10-15 points but costs 45 points

So the Convocation gets 500 free points, it really 250 points or so.
And you have to take Ruststalkers and infiltrators, both of which are overprices, netting really 0 free upgrades.


Now if you could take a formation that had a knight, Skitarri force org, and a Cult Mech force org, just Knight, 2 skitarri troops, and 2 Cult Mech troops+1cult HQ and whatever else you wanted and all that got the bonus of Canticles; but no free upgrades. That would be a far more powerful formation.

 Exergy wrote:

 Quickjager wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Personally, I feel that the Convocation is one of the few times that Plasma Calivers become a competitive option.

No kidding, the Plasma doubles their cost. W/ the formation you actually can take it and some other units.

yeah the things that you start seeing in the Convocation are things that really are costed terribly.

So you start seeing Calivers, that might have been worth it at 20ppm but cost 30 ppm.
You see a ton of relics, most of them are kinda golly gee this might be worth 10-15 points but costs 45 points

So the Convocation gets 500 free points, it really 250 points or so.
And you have to take Ruststalkers and infiltrators, both of which are overprices, netting really 0 free upgrades.


Now if you could take a formation that had a knight, Skitarri force org, and a Cult Mech force org, just Knight, 2 skitarri troops, and 2 Cult Mech troops+1cult HQ and whatever else you wanted and all that got the bonus of Canticles; but no free upgrades. That would be a far more powerful
formation.

For The record... What makes this formation is army wide canticles... Not the free upgrades.

 j31c3n wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
My gaming group has banned the use of both Ad Mech armies so they are in the 'ridiculous tier' along with Eldar and Space Marines

Note to self: never game with SGTPozy and friends.

I think they all play guard conscript squads,

I've seen him complain about marines, ad mech, eldar, grey knights, daemons etc.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

For The record... What makes this formation is army wide canticles... Not the free upgrades.

exactly the point of my above post, far better worded.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
For The record... What makes this formation is army wide canticles... Not the free upgrades.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I though that Canticles are based on the number of units that have them, with the more units increasing the power.

Sounds fine to me. From what I understand, there are plenty of nice and squishy units in Skitarii/Mechanicus.

 TheNewBlood wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
For The record... What makes this formation is army wide canticles... Not the free upgrades.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I though that Canticles are based on the number of units that have them, with the more units increasing the power.

Sounds fine to me. From what I understand, there are plenty of nice and squishy units in Skitarii/Mechanicus.

Knights aren't squishy.


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Also, 2++ Cover with FNP6+ and sometimes IWND is nothing to scoff at...

 TheNewBlood wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
For The record... What makes this formation is army wide canticles... Not the free upgrades.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I though that Canticles are based on the number of units that have them, with the more units increasing the power.

Sounds fine to me. From what I understand, there are plenty of nice and squishy units in Skitarii/Mechanicus.

but Skitarii do not have the rule "Canticles" unless you take the formation. THAT is what makes the formation so powerful

In this formation, you're pretty much Gauranteed the 8+ result on ALL UNITS in the Army. It's pretty awesome.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
In this formation, you're pretty much Gauranteed the 8+ result on ALL UNITS in the Army. It's pretty awesome.

For the first turn, at least.

Wait... Allies can use each others' drop pods? What did I miss?

 Quarterdime wrote:
Wait... Allies can use each others' drop pods? What did I miss?

If it's a fast attack drop pod, they can.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
Wait... Allies can use each others' drop pods? What did I miss?

If it's a fast attack drop pod, they can.

That's... kinda scary. But it does make sense I guess.

 Quarterdime wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
Wait... Allies can use each others' drop pods? What did I miss?

If it's a fast attack drop pod, they can.

That's... kinda scary. But it does make sense I guess.

From a sales perspective it sure does.

 Purifier wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
Wait... Allies can use each others' drop pods? What did I miss?

If it's a fast attack drop pod, they can.

That's... kinda scary. But it does make sense I guess.

From a sales perspective it sure does.

Nothing wrong with GW selling more models. I want them to stay in business. And I love the direction they're headed in. It's a niche expensive hobby. Not everyone is able to be involved, but those that are should root for the company to be successful so they may still indulge in their products.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
Wait... Allies can use each others' drop pods? What did I miss?

If it's a fast attack drop pod, they can.

That's... kinda scary. But it does make sense I guess.

From a sales perspective it sure does.

Nothing wrong with GW selling more models. I want them to stay in business. And I love the direction they're headed in. It's a niche expensive hobby. Not everyone is able to be involved, but those that are should root for the company to be successful so they may still indulge in their products.

I disagree.
I think the rules aren't going to be good until GW fails, so while I love their models, I think the game would get better if the company collapsed.

 Purifier wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
Wait... Allies can use each others' drop pods? What did I miss?

If it's a fast attack drop pod, they can.

That's... kinda scary. But it does make sense I guess.

From a sales perspective it sure does.

Nothing wrong with GW selling more models. I want them to stay in business. And I love the direction they're headed in. It's a niche expensive hobby. Not everyone is able to be involved, but those that are should root for the company to be successful so they may still indulge in their products.

I disagree.
I think the rules aren't going to be good until GW fails, so while I love their models, I think the game would get better if the company collapsed.

The game is actually in a pretty awesome state right now.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
The game is actually in a pretty awesome state right now.

I couldn't disagree more. It's in a tragic state.

The models are in a fantastic state.

 Purifier wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
The game is actually in a pretty awesome state right now.

I couldn't disagree more. It's in a tragic state.

The models are in a fantastic state.

Formations are exciting, GT TOs have collectively agreed for the most part on a decent tourney format, there's great army diversity, new players have more options than ever on how to construct their armies, modified maelstrom missions keep things exciting etc.

I'm loving 40k and I know the majority of tourney goers and casual people in my area, feel the same.

Was over 9000! already said?
I have a game against Skitarii/Cult next week, I will have my own impression then I heard they are good.

Formations are getting ridiculous, there is no decent tourney format, there are so many rulebooks and no overview on them that no one has any idea where to find dataslates, FW rules, White Dwarf rules and more. New players have a higher entry fee than ever and Maelstrom missions are bland and poorly thought out compared to any other game system.

The only thing balancing out 40k at the moment is that everyone is so thuroughly confused about what's what that they don't have time to settle into a new overpowered build before a new codex comes and blindsides them.

 Purifier wrote:
Formations are getting ridiculous, there is no decent tourney format, there are so many rulebooks and no overview on them that no one has any idea where to find dataslates, FW rules, White Dwarf rules and more. New players have a higher entry fee than ever and Maelstrom missions are bland and poorly thought out compared to any other game system.

The only thing balancing out 40k at the moment is that everyone is so thuroughly confused about what's what that they don't have time to settle into a new overpowered build before a new codex comes and blindsides them.

From everyone I speak with, you seem to be in the minority man.

I'm LOVING the direction of 40k.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Purifier wrote:
Formations are getting ridiculous, there is no decent tourney format, there are so many rulebooks and no overview on them that no one has any idea where to find dataslates, FW rules, White Dwarf rules and more. New players have a higher entry fee than ever and Maelstrom missions are bland and poorly thought out compared to any other game system.

The only thing balancing out 40k at the moment is that everyone is so thuroughly confused about what's what that they don't have time to settle into a new overpowered build before a new codex comes and blindsides them.

From everyone I speak with, you seem to be in the minority man.

I'm LOVING the direction of 40k.

Hi, Welcome to Dakkadakka.
The only thing we're arguing here is how the game is broken. Not if it is.
You're the first person I've seen that actually just think the game is doing great.

From the looks of things we joined falls around the same time.