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**Dozer Blades**

Pouncey wrote:
Dozer Blades wrote:
He was attempting to waste more time. He also wanted to looked up the rules for the bolter.

If he was new to Marines/Imperials, that might actually make sense. I sure as hell wouldn't know the stats of every Tyranid or Chaos Daemons model and weapon by heart in my first game with them.

Seriously ... I asked one of his team mates and discovered he'd been playing for over ten years.

**PaulTheFirewoodSalesman**

Maybe this is harsh but the one I could never stand is the 'You play Warhammer too? We're best friends now' guy. Met a guy once who was new and wanted to play with me, I'm also quite new.. It was fun first go (even though he got distracted very easily by things in the store, I suspect he had ADHD which might explain the behaviour I'm about to describe) so I added him on Facebook so we can meet up and play again. Except it turned into him messaging me all the time about things he just bought or things he just painted. Or even things he's thinking about buying or things he's thinking about painting.

It's like going on one date and the person afterwards messages you CONSTANTLY. Huge turn off.

Had to cut off communications with that guy to keep my sanity.

**Emperor Pigeon**

scommy wrote:
Emperor Pigeon wrote:
The Painter Who's Not a Gamer: He has a beautifully painted exquisite apocalypse size army, but when asked to play in store says, ' oh i only paint'.

Ehh not sure why that is bad, if he does not like gaming surely that his right not to bother with playing games?

i know but it just seems like such a waste.

**Talizvar**

Ha! I must admit I like these kinds of forums, you half expect extreme negativity and it just turns out being observations of human nature.
- The "You have a similar interest as me so we will be best buds forevah!" when I was younger I think I was one of those... I like people a whole lot less now, so I have proper boundaries...

- Mr Moneybags: pay to win! An expected outcome. They only irritate in direct proportion to how rich they are and how much they point that out.
- The "memory/thinking challenged"... I think that is just the reaction to seeing someone in over their head, has no idea they are: it is painful to watch once you realize this is not a new player.
- The easily distracted... my son has ADHD, he may go on a tangent but the guy is ALWAYS in a hurry (probably afraid he would forget his plan) so it always felt like speed gaming to me.

I think it boils down to "no-fun" types are the self-absorbed.
You are merely an object for their amusement.
Part of courtesy is to acknowledge the other person, when they obviously have zero interest in you, it is rather off-putting.
Happy opponents as well as my happiness = good times now and future good games with that person = win-win.

**Pouncey**

Dozer Blades wrote:
Pouncey wrote:
Dozer Blades wrote:
He was attempting to waste more time. He also wanted to looked up the rules for the bolter.

If he was new to Marines/Imperials, that might actually make sense. I sure as hell wouldn't know the stats of every Tyranid or Chaos Daemons model and weapon by heart in my first game with them.

Seriously ... I asked one of his team mates and discovered he'd been playing for over ten years.

Welp, I'm out of possible legitimate explanations.

**Dozer Blades**

Think harder chief !

**Pouncey**

Dozer Blades wrote:
Think harder chief !

Alzheimer's?

**ZergSmasher**

The only one of these I personally (might) have experience with is the Munchkin. In my last tournament, I played against a guy who had a Khorne Daemonkin Chaos Lord with two artifacts. This is against the rules. He somehow managed to convince the TO that it was okay. I did bring it up, but ultimately let it slide as it didn't give him a huge advantage (he paid the right points for the character) and I am perhaps a little too easygoing for my own good. I lost the game, but not because of that. After the tournament was over and the winners were announced (I don't recall the munchkin being one of them), I heard another player complaining to the TO about how the offending player misinterpreted one of the Maelstrom of War Objective cards and somehow scored 5 points off of it. AFAIK, there is only one card that can possibly score that many, and this one wasn't it. If it had been me in that game, I definitely would have called bs on that one.

**Pouncey**

ZergSmasher wrote:
The only one of these I personally (might) have experience with is the Munchkin. In my last tournament, I played against a guy who had a Khorne Daemonkin Chaos Lord with two artifacts. This is against the rules. He somehow managed to convince the TO that it was okay. I did bring it up, but ultimately let it slide as it didn't give him a huge advantage (he paid the right points for the character) and I am perhaps a little too easygoing for my own good. I lost the game, but not because of that. After the tournament was over and the winners were announced (I don't recall the munchkin being one of them), I heard another player complaining to the TO about how the offending player misinterpreted one of the Maelstrom of War Objective cards and somehow scored 5 points off of it. AFAIK, there is only one card that can possibly score that many, and this one wasn't it. If it had been me in that game, I definitely would have called bs on that one.

I've misinterpreted rules like that before. In my case, the misinterpretation was in my opponent's favor. Her Ork Boyz mob controlled two objectives instead of one, in the first edition where it was stated that a unit could only hold one objective at a time (6th, I think).

I imagine that if we'd known that rule correctly, she'd've deployed that mob a lot differently, or maybe been more aggressive with it (such as using it to go and try to take an objective worth more points than either of those, which I had only a small unit of Scouts guarding). Particularly with my pointing out that with those two objectives under control, she had enough points to win so long as I wasn't contesting either of them.

**AegisGrimm**

Yarium wrote:
Outside of the Munchkin (he left the game), there's only 1 other player type that I've played against that was really difficult for me:

The Silent Psycho: This person doesn't say a word outside what is necessary to play. Trying to engage this person with discussion is met with a robotic blank stare, as if your efforts to discuss the game are not only futile, but are actively destroying them. They're not in a rush, they're not bad people, they just look like they're ready to snap at any moment and go on a shooting spree. When the game is over, you'll turn around to give results, and by the time you've turned back they're fully packed up and gone.

I can't stand this person for my games. I can't gauge what's going on. I understand that it's probably somebody with a social anxiety problem, and that trying to talk with them likely only makes them more uncomfortable, so I don't blame them... it's just really hard for me to have an enjoyable game with them. And I'm mildly confident that this isn't me... I've played for over 15 years and this has happened probably two or three times ever. I also don't think that this person deserves a "worst gamer type", since it's not they're fault if they face this problem. If anything, I just wish they could open up a bit and chat - even if it's about odd or difficult to appreciate things - because then there's at least something I can work with to make the game a better time for both of us.

I've played this player before in a tournament. The kind who only ever answers you in single words if not just a " look", and when they win they pretty much just nod and get up and walk away. How is that fun at all? It made my first tournament experience the most boring games I've ever played.

**rowboatjellyfanxiii**

The 'I know how to play your army here let me lecture you about it while you're trying to think of how to get your Terminators out of the way of those Khorne Berserkers which already have about 6 Chaos Boons'

Think you know what I mean.

**ninjaf**

The back seat gamer!

I hate this guy, we have a couple in our GWS.

Whilst they dont play your army or even like the faction you collect. they know/ think they know every rule and tactic possible. they have a habit of helping the losing player by giving him tactics and pointing out weakness to exploit in enemy units.

whilst advice is not by any means a bad thing and can help gamers gain new tactics and unit knowledge. the back seat gamer always goes to far and tries to involve themselves in the playing of the whole game.

when you are sneakily getting your units in position for a game changing charge or creating a well planned shooting phase. this guy will point it out to your opponent and tell them exactly how to counter it. creating that awkward moment when your opponent wants to listen but knows its unfair because he/she didn't spot it themselves.

the Back seat gamer is the worst and usually is a power gamer or rules lawyer in their own games.

**Dozer Blades**

Yeah they are the worst for sure.

**greyknight12**

Not as bad as some of the others, but I've encountered this more than a few times:

The Hypochondriac
This person feels the need to inform you of their perceived health issues, and bring them up at all times. They will carefully straighten the pages of their rulebook while shoving their ill-painted models across the table claiming to be "OCD", ask you to pick up anything that drops on the floor due to their "bad back/knees", and bring up various hardships in their life caused by "health problems" (aka obesity). They will claim social anxiety and panic attacks, and blame their eyes/nervous twitch for paintjobs (which really are fine).

There are people with real issues, but faking them for sympathy is insulting. I once played an elderly man who legitimately couldn't read his dice from less than 6 inches away, and he complained far less than the obese guy who whined about being too fat to join the military every single game.

**Tactical_Spam**

What do we call the pain in the ass that falls under everyone of these categories? I play one of them... The Emperor protects...

**Kurnost**

Honestly, the most irritating gamer I've played against (not necessarily the worst) is the "Why are you playing that faction??" guy/ girl

They're probably a variant of the powergamer, but they know, for certain, that your faction is useless and don't mind telling you so

**DalinCriid**

I've played with The Idiot, a 35 years old chaos fan, unemployed still living with his parents (Im 27 and live with my mom, but at least I do go to work, lol). Why?

- Moving his units slowly, measuring every fethin' inch in and then measuring again and again and again. And on your turn measuring your own moves.
- He rollplays near the table. I dont mind this, but he is doing it every roll and he is doing it lame.
- He cheats and his cheat attempts a redicilous. He gives Ignore Cover to weapons and squads that don't have it. He gives warlord traits that does not exist in the game and etc.

All this prolongs the game and a fast, 30-50 minutes 500 points of Eternal War converts into a hellish, half and a hour game where I double check rules and argue rather than play.

And yeah, he only plays "Eternal War", because Maelstorm is "Broken", "Imbalanced" and because.... no real argument.

Edit:
He got a little bit of the Munchkin, cause he is obssesd with winning. We always start with "Let's warm up with a friendly game with house rules" and If he starts to lose it the game quickly convets into what I described above.

**Experiment 626**

The crusty chain smoker who's never been introduced to soap & water.

I can take incredible BO - 18+ years of competitive girls hockey plus nearly a decade of on-ice officiating has all but rendered me immune to sweat stink... But that dude who looks like he's washed his clothes maybe once a month, while smoking a pack a day minimum? Good night, I'm floored.
Even worse when you're trapped with such an individual in a small gaming room, during the dead of winter and the LGS has jacked the heat up because it's -30 outside.

And it seems to only take about 5 minutes for that gak to leach into your own clothes, so you get the choke on the stench all the way home, and then end up having to throw on an emergency load of laundry or risk that smell leaching into the hamper for the next week.

**Talizvar**

Experiment 626 wrote:
The crusty chain smoker who's never been introduced to soap & water.
I can take incredible BO - 18+ years of competitive girls hockey plus nearly a decade of on-ice officiating has all but rendered me immune to sweat stink... But that dude who looks like he's washed his clothes maybe once a month, while smoking a pack a day minimum? Good night, I'm floored.
Even worse when you're trapped with such an individual in a small gaming room, during the dead of winter and the LGS has jacked the heat up because it's -30 outside.
And it seems to only take about 5 minutes for that gak to leach into your own clothes, so you get the choke on the stench all the way home, and then end up having to throw on an emergency load of laundry or risk that smell leaching into the hamper for the next week.

My wife plays goalie, 11 year old son forward, the smell can be bracing, I can sympathize. I hope he is not one of those who think running clothes in the dryer is all that is needed to freshen them up... pulled out more hair than anything out of lint trap when I lived in an apartment building quasi retirement home. My nemesis is a multiple pack a day, oyster hack, coke nail and white hair into pony tail and nose hairs trying hard to become a mustache, with the classic "love" \ "hate" tattoos on fingers, nice guy oddly but hygiene is just wrong.

**SorataZ**

As a self-professed Munchkin, I'd say the Idiot is the worst player to meet, especially since this label includes way more people than what seems to be aware here.

On a 100% more serious note, I HATE Munchkins and other WAAC player types, doesn't matter if they always claim the rules should be RAW or RAI. Apparently a healthy middle-ground is out of the question. 40k and other GW games are not that well designed so if one wants to play them anyway, then some compromise is needed. This still includes the Idiot types to my hate-list though since they don't even know the rules to begin with. I've had some good games in 40k and some interesting conversations about how a rule should be applied. Munchkins, related WAACs and Idiots suck the fun out of the game and the discussions about the game meta.

**NathanD298**

I actually play against a guy who is the combination of all four.

He will exploit any possible interpretation of the rules if it will help him win, plays both Eldar and Grey Knights, has literally said "I only enjoy the game if I win" and yet seems to know nothing of the wider rulebook other than the parts that directly influence him, and even those he gets wrong.

Fortunately I think I've only ever lost a handful of games to him. Yet on the flip side, when he's losing BOY is he grumpy...

**Talizvar**

Well, if we are in the mood to "self profess" I would forward one type I think was not mentioned:
"The old grognard that gets his rules editions messed up."
If it is frustrating for me, it must be worse for my opponent.

**KaptainKaoz**

the worst type is definetly munchkin/WAC type i have an army of almost entirley troops for CSM its not an impossible feat to to pull off wins as a footslogger list, and is always interesting as i can pull any of the specialty elites ( plauge marines berzerkers rubric and noise marines) for variety as well as the special chars associated with them. if i try i can win. so i pose the question does a pair of 20 man blobs of plauge marines w/ typhus count as cheese?

**Tactical_Spam**

KaptainKaoz wrote:
the worst type is definetly munchkin/WAC type i have an army of almost entirley troops for CSM its not an impossible feat to to pull off wins as a footslogger list, and is always interesting as i can pull any of the specialty elites ( plauge marines berzerkers rubric and noise marines) for variety as well as the special chars associated with them. if i try i can win. so i pose the question does a pair of 20 man blobs of plauge marines w/ typhus count as cheese?

Nope. not at all in my book. Annoying, but not cheese.

PS. S10 anything will destroy you in a heart beat so dont get too excited that you have that many bullet sponges

**TheCustomLime**

I'd like to add another one: The Prophet. That gamer that thinks their favorite company/game is so much better than yours and never ceases to remind you that his game is cheaper/better. I understand trying to promote the game you like but don't just keep going on about it when I'm trying to play. Bring a demo kit if you really believe in it and want to promote it.

**Tactical_Spam**

Did we already get Little Kids on the list? I occasionally play my friends brother, who plays "Lets put a cryptek in every 20 man blob of warriors" necrons. If he ever starts to lose, he will lose his mind and break down in front of everyone.

Hilariously this happened one time because his partner who was playing DA had a "fool proof" plan to charge his Tac squad into the kid's lord on a chariot to capture an objective... and this is somehow possible in the rules.

**scommy**

Tactical_Spam wrote:
Did we already get Little Kids on the list? I occasionally play my friends brother, who plays "Lets put a cryptek in every 20 man blob of warriors" necrons. If he ever starts to lose, he will lose his mind and break down in front of everyone.

Hilariously this happened one time because his partner who was playing DA had a "fool proof" plan to charge his Tac squad into the kid's lord on a chariot to capture an objective... and this is somehow possible in the rules.

hehe yeah it can be kinda awkward yet somehow funny when a kid has a meltdown.

Curiously it can be rewarding to let a kid win tho. Especially if you talk yourself up before and during the game "I am the best player in this whole city". Then as things go pear shaped and you start losing you can make all sorts of ridiculous excuses "oh this dice is faulty". Even more fun you can help them make correct decisions by pleading with them to do the opposite "please don't shoot my warlord, he is a nice guy", or "you don't need that objective, you can ignore that tactical card its wrong, just go into that corner its safer".

**toasteroven**

Honestly, I've met kids that are far more mature than some adults who play the game.

**Grimtuff**

scommy wrote:
Tactical_Spam wrote:
Did we already get Little Kids on the list? I occasionally play my friends brother, who plays "Lets put a cryptek in every 20 man blob of warriors" necrons. If he ever starts to lose, he will lose his mind and break down in front of everyone.

Hilariously this happened one time because his partner who was playing DA had a "fool proof" plan to charge his Tac squad into the kid's lord on a chariot to capture an objective... and this is somehow possible in the rules.

hehe yeah it can be kinda awkward yet somehow funny when a kid has a meltdown.

I have fond (okay, maybe not as the guy went nuts) memories of a kid charging my friend's Seer Council with a CSM Dread in 3rd ed, despite said friend asking him several times if this was the best course of action.

**Gunnvulcan**

To me, the worst is the guy who shows up every weekend with nothing painted, at all.

There's a lot of stuff that annoys me. The mooch. Ohh, i forgot my tape, codex, and templates. Can i borrow yours? I dont have any spare money, can i have some of your pizza? Every week.

The guy that doesnt know his codex. Constantly misquoting unit stats, weapon profiles, etc. Plus, he doesnt own army builder and doesnt have a list written down, so you just gotta take his word on it. Ohh yeah, and the codex is too expensive, so can he borrow yours?

The gross player. He smells like sour milk and feet. Enough oil in his hair to fry a chicken. Probably doesnt bathe.

Ohh, and this is all the same guy at the lgs that i go to, occasionally. Suffice it to say, none of us really play with him anymore.