College player "strike"

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**hotsauceman1**

Thays why my school last year voted to defund the entire sports program

**cincydooley**

That letter is a goddamn joke.

And HSM, your school doesn't field a football team in a power 5 conference. Big fat difference.

**hotsauceman1**

My point is we know that Student Athletics are a big fat joke and now that schools should do what they are meant to do, Teach, not throw egg shaped balls around

**LordofHats**

People are reading into this too much.

Even the faculty seemed to want this guy to resign. If you go through the school's news site, it's like a constant barrage of things this guy has bungled going on 2+ years and no one seems to want him around.

**cincydooley**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
My point is we know that Student Athletics are a big fat joke and now that schools should do what they are meant to do, Teach, not throw egg shaped balls around

You mean prepare young people for their professional lives. Which, for athletes, is sometimes that.

Not to mention extracurricular athletics offer of slew of other positives supported by research.

But we can go back to those that never played organized sports a high level and listen to all of their miraculous insight instead.

**CptJake**

LordofHats wrote:
People are reading into this too much.

Even the faculty seemed to want this guy to resign. If you go through the school's news site, it's like a constant barrage of things this guy has bungled going on 2+ years and no one seems to want him around.

So, they use THIS to get him booted? I guess anytime someone uses the N word on university campus, or makes a poostika it is justification to get the university president fired.

Honestly, this sets a scary precedent. If Wolfe did something wrong or failed to do something he was actually responsible for doing, I could see the board of trustees or whatever that school has wanting him to go away, but honestly, I'm still not sure what he was being accused of here. Not setting up 'spaces for healing' after Brown got capped? Really?

**hotsauceman1**

cincydooley wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
My point is we know that Student Athletics are a big fat joke and now that schools should do what they are meant to do, Teach, not throw egg shaped balls around

You mean prepare young people for their professional lives. Which, for athletes, is sometimes that.

Not to mention extracurricular athletics offer of slew of other positives supported by research.

But we can go back to those that never played organized sports a high level and listen to all of their miraculous insight instead.

Alright cool. But Why should My Tuition go to paying for someone elses Hobby? They aint paying for mine.
Like said, Many MANY Handegg players dont go onto NFL. So Im paying to put them through school, while im taking loans out to afford food.

**CptJake**

Not too many schools have their football programs funded by student tuition. I seriously doubt any D1 schools do.

**cincydooley**

Your tuition doesn't.

Not a single bit.

**hotsauceman1**

CptJake wrote:
Not too many schools have their football programs funded by student tuition. I seriously doubt any D1 schools do.

Mine Did. the vote was for an extra 300$ a Quarter to keep sports on campus. go voted down.

**CptJake**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
CptJake wrote:
Not too many schools have their football programs funded by student tuition. I seriously doubt any D1 schools do.

Mine Did. the vote was for an extra 300$ a Quarter to keep sports on campus. go voted down.

Here are D1 schools: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/story/2012-05-14/ncaa-college-athletics-finances-database/54955804/1

You can look up this one.

Tuition ain't paying for it.

**cincydooley**

hotsauceman1 wrote:

Alright cool. But Why should My Tuition go to paying for someone elses Hobby? They aint paying for mine.

Well, firstly, 80,000 people aren't paying $70 a head to watch you play with yourself in an old stained anime t-shirt.

Like said, Many MANY Handegg players dont go onto NFL. So Im paying to put them through school, while im taking loans out to afford food.

When you say nonsense like handegg it makes you look like a fool.

You don't even pay the entirety of your own tuition. So you're sure as gak not paying for someone to play football. Which is erroneous to begin with.

**Frazzled**

cincydooley wrote:
Your tuition doesn't.

Not a single bit.

And their tuition and government taxes don't pay for the stadium, the training facilities, any of that right?

I'm with the Californian on this (did I mention UH is 9-0 right now suck it Gina's School for Hair!!!). The NFL is using taxpayers and students to snooker farm teams without the expense.

**hotsauceman1**

Frazzled wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Your tuition doesn't.

Not a single bit.

And their tuition and government taxes don't pay for the stadium, the training facilities, any of that right?

I'm with the Californian on this (did I mention UH is 9-0 right now suck it Gina's School for Hair!!!). The NFL is using taxpayers and students to snooker farm teams without the expense.

I dont know what is more Surprising, Frazz agreeing with a Californian, OR agreeing with me.

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cincydooley wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:

Alright cool. But Why should My Tuition go to paying for someone elses Hobby? They aint paying for mine.

Well, firstly, 80,000 people aren't paying $70 a head to watch you play with yourself in an old stained anime t-shirt.

Like said, Many MANY Handegg players dont go onto NFL. So Im paying to put them through school, while im taking loans out to afford food.

When you say nonsense like handegg it makes you look like a fool.

You don't even pay the entirety of your own tuition. So you're sure as gak not paying for someone to play football. Which is erroneous to begin with.

Again, Last year in SC, we voted down a 300$ a quarter increase in tuition because the Basketball/Football players where tired of having to share rooms when they traveled for games. the 300$ was so they can all get their own room when they travel.

**cincydooley**

Frazzled wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Your tuition doesn't.

Not a single bit.

And their tuition and government taxes don't pay for the stadium, the training facilities, any of that right?

I'm with the Californian on this (did I mention UH is 9-0 right now suck it Gina's School for Hair!!!). The NFL is using taxpayers and students to snooker farm teams without the expense.

Nope. They don't.

Athletic departments in the NCCA are mostly self financed. While it's true some universities get subsidies, the vast majority of them are comparatively small percentages (the University of Michigan, for example, gets a whopping $250k in subsidy, or .1% of their total revenue) and would be unnecessary if non-revenue sports (see: nearly all women's sports, men's soccer, baseball, track and field) were eliminated.

Football and men's basketball make money. Nothing else does.

**Prestor Jon**

cincydooley wrote:
Your tuition doesn't.

Not a single bit.

Very true. Television rights contracts, bowl game money, ticket sales, merchandising, advertising/naming rights, and alumni donations pay for the football program, plus the athletic facilities, plus the non revenue sports like baseball, soccer, swimming, etc.

Power 5 football programs make money. If they aren't profitable it's due to mismanagement not lack of funds.

Schools outside the Power 5 conferences need to be very careful about whether or not they pursue Div 1/FBS football as chasing the brass ring can easily lead to wasting money in a hopeless chase of competitiveness. Not all 128 Div 1/FBS schools should be spending money keeping up with the Joneses in football.

For lower level schools the football team isn't any different than any other sports team at the school except that winning programs in football tend to generate more money than winning programs in other sports.

Colleges benefit from having good football programs. Colleges suffer from pouring good money after bad into football programs destined to never rise above mediocrity (with some exceptions for Power 5 schools).

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/07/03/report-finds-alumni-giving-among-other-areas-correlated-football-success

http://freakonomics.com/2012/07/09/how-much-do-football-wins-pay-off-for-a-college/

**cincydooley**

And to bring this full circle.

This president isn't unjustly forced out if Mizzou's football team is 9-0 or 8-1 instead of 4-5.

This president isn't unjustly forced out if Mizzou's diving team is protesting.

**Frazzled**

cincydooley wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Your tuition doesn't.

Not a single bit.

And their tuition and government taxes don't pay for the stadium, the training facilities, any of that right?

I'm with the Californian on this (did I mention UH is 9-0 right now suck it Gina's School for Hair!!!). The NFL is using taxpayers and students to snooker farm teams without the expense.

Nope. They don't.

Athletic departments in the NCCA are mostly self financed. While it's true some universities get subsidies, the vast majority of them are comparatively small percentages (the University of Michigan, for example, gets a whopping $250k in subsidy, or .1% of their total revenue) and would be unnecessary if non-revenue sports (see: nearly all women's sports, men's soccer, baseball, track and field) were eliminated.

Football and men's basketball make money. Nothing else does.

WHo pays for the stadiums? The Athletic department can't float hundreds of millions of dollars.

**cincydooley**

Frazzled wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Your tuition doesn't.

Not a single bit.

And their tuition and government taxes don't pay for the stadium, the training facilities, any of that right?

I'm with the Californian on this (did I mention UH is 9-0 right now suck it Gina's School for Hair!!!). The NFL is using taxpayers and students to snooker farm teams without the expense.

Nope. They don't.

Athletic departments in the NCCA are mostly self financed. While it's true some universities get subsidies, the vast majority of them are comparatively small percentages (the University of Michigan, for example, gets a whopping $250k in subsidy, or .1% of their total revenue) and would be unnecessary if non-revenue sports (see: nearly all women's sports, men's soccer, baseball, track and field) were eliminated.

Football and men's basketball make money. Nothing else does.

WHo pays for the stadiums? The Athletic department can't float hundreds of millions of dollars.

I know Ohio Stadium was built with public funding in 1920. Renovations have all been a combo of the school and the athletic dept.

The stadium is also used by the university for graduations, convocations, and some intramural sports.

It will also gross nearly $20M in ticket sales alone for next years home game against Michigan. The last renovation was $7M.

**Prestor Jon**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Your tuition doesn't.

Not a single bit.

And their tuition and government taxes don't pay for the stadium, the training facilities, any of that right?

I'm with the Californian on this (did I mention UH is 9-0 right now suck it Gina's School for Hair!!!). The NFL is using taxpayers and students to snooker farm teams without the expense.

I dont know what is more Surprising, Frazz agreeing with a Californian, OR agreeing with me.

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cincydooley wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:

Alright cool. But Why should My Tuition go to paying for someone elses Hobby? They aint paying for mine.

Well, firstly, 80,000 people aren't paying $70 a head to watch you play with yourself in an old stained anime t-shirt.

Like said, Many MANY Handegg players dont go onto NFL. So Im paying to put them through school, while im taking loans out to afford food.

When you say nonsense like handegg it makes you look like a fool.

You don't even pay the entirety of your own tuition. So you're sure as gak not paying for someone to play football. Which is erroneous to begin with.

Again, Last year in SC, we voted down a 300$ a quarter increase in tuition because the Basketball/Football players where tired of having to share rooms when they traveled for games. the 300$ was so they can all get their own room when they travel.

If by SC you mean Southern Cal, the football team generates more than enough money to cover that cost without spreading the cost to other students.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-81689846/

By Gary Klein

October 15, 2014, 7:21 p.m.

A turbulent 2013 football season that included coaching turnover and a trip to a lower-level bowl game did not prevent USC’s athletic department from breaking the $100-million benchmark for the first time, according to a report that must be filed annually with the U.S. Department of Education as part of Title IX compliance.

USC reported total expenses and revenue of $106.5 million for the period covering July 1, 2013, to June 30, 2014. That is an increase of $8.7 million from the previous year.

USC's football expenses increased by about $7 million to $30.3 million. Revenue was $44.8 million, an increase of $1 million.

Former football coach Lane Kiffin was fired in late September 2013, but he and his assistants had multiyear contracts. Steve Sarkisian was hired in December and he hired a mostly new staff.

Some of the increase in football expenses is attributable to the coaching changeover, which requires payments on contracts, said Steve Lopes, chief operating officer for USC’s athletic department.

USC’s home football attendance dropped from about 88,000 per game for six games in 2012 to about 73,000 per game for seven games last season.

But total revenue increased on the strength of “a very good year fundraising,” the Pac-12 Conference’s television contracts and USC’s corporate sponsorships, Lopes said.

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Frazzled wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Your tuition doesn't.

Not a single bit.

And their tuition and government taxes don't pay for the stadium, the training facilities, any of that right?

I'm with the Californian on this (did I mention UH is 9-0 right now suck it Gina's School for Hair!!!). The NFL is using taxpayers and students to snooker farm teams without the expense.

Nope. They don't.

Athletic departments in the NCCA are mostly self financed. While it's true some universities get subsidies, the vast majority of them are comparatively small percentages (the University of Michigan, for example, gets a whopping $250k in subsidy, or .1% of their total revenue) and would be unnecessary if non-revenue sports (see: nearly all women's sports, men's soccer, baseball, track and field) were eliminated.

Football and men's basketball make money. Nothing else does.

WHo pays for the stadiums? The Athletic department can't float hundreds of millions of dollars.

Sure they can.

Texas generated over $161 million in revenue last year. Michigan and Alabama athletics both generated over $150 million last year and Oregon just missed generated $200 million.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

**Frazzled**

cincydooley wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Your tuition doesn't.

Not a single bit.

And their tuition and government taxes don't pay for the stadium, the training facilities, any of that right?

I'm with the Californian on this (did I mention UH is 9-0 right now suck it Gina's School for Hair!!!). The NFL is using taxpayers and students to snooker farm teams without the expense.

Nope. They don't.

Athletic departments in the NCCA are mostly self financed. While it's true some universities get subsidies, the vast majority of them are comparatively small percentages (the University of Michigan, for example, gets a whopping $250k in subsidy, or .1% of their total revenue) and would be unnecessary if non-revenue sports (see: nearly all women's sports, men's soccer, baseball, track and field) were eliminated.

Football and men's basketball make money. Nothing else does.

WHo pays for the stadiums? The Athletic department can't float hundreds of millions of dollars.

I know Ohio Stadium was built with public funding in 1920. Renovations have all been a combo of the school and the athletic dept.

The stadium is also used by the university for graduations, convocations, and some intramural sports.

It will also gross nearly $20M in ticket sales alone for next years home game against Michigan. The last renovation was $7M.

Aggieville's renovation of Kyle Field cost $450mm. If someone wants to tell me ticket sales will cover that I have a bridge to sell them. Thats $36mm a year in interest assuming 8%, not including principal and maintenance.

**CptJake**

Texas A&M made $87million on sports and spent $78million on sports in 2011.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/story/2012-05-14/ncaa-college-athletics-finances-database/54955804/1

Pretty sure a chunk of that extra goes towards paying the stadium renovation bond. No student fees are used to support that program by the way.

**cincydooley**

Didn't A&M have some fairly large personal investments from oil baron alumni too?

gak. It's right on the website. 51% from personal seat licenses. 27% from alumni gifts. 17% from A&M. And 5% federal subsidy.

**Frazzled**

CptJake wrote:
Texas A&M made $87million on sports and spent $78million on sports in 2011.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/story/2012-05-14/ncaa-college-athletics-finances-database/54955804/1

Pretty sure a chunk of that extra goes towards paying the stadium renovation bond. No student fees are used to support that program by the way.

You're pretty sure. Evidence for that?

I was wrong, its $485mm. Wow just wow.

**Prestor Jon**

Frazzled wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Your tuition doesn't.

Not a single bit.

And their tuition and government taxes don't pay for the stadium, the training facilities, any of that right?

I'm with the Californian on this (did I mention UH is 9-0 right now suck it Gina's School for Hair!!!). The NFL is using taxpayers and students to snooker farm teams without the expense.

Nope. They don't.

Athletic departments in the NCCA are mostly self financed. While it's true some universities get subsidies, the vast majority of them are comparatively small percentages (the University of Michigan, for example, gets a whopping $250k in subsidy, or .1% of their total revenue) and would be unnecessary if non-revenue sports (see: nearly all women's sports, men's soccer, baseball, track and field) were eliminated.

Football and men's basketball make money. Nothing else does.

WHo pays for the stadiums? The Athletic department can't float hundreds of millions of dollars.

I know Ohio Stadium was built with public funding in 1920. Renovations have all been a combo of the school and the athletic dept.

The stadium is also used by the university for graduations, convocations, and some intramural sports.

It will also gross nearly $20M in ticket sales alone for next years home game against Michigan. The last renovation was $7M.

Aggieville's renovation of Kyle Field cost $450mm. If someone wants to tell me ticket sales will cover that I have a bridge to sell them. Thats $36mm a year in interest assuming 8%, not including principal and maintenance.

Texas A&M athletics generated $119 million in revenue last year.
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

**CptJake**

Hell Fraz, I just looked it up, they didn't even have to sell bonds. They are funding via donations, ticket fees, licensing and a hotel/rental car tax.

**cincydooley**

Frazzled wrote:
CptJake wrote:
Texas A&M made $87million on sports and spent $78million on sports in 2011.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/story/2012-05-14/ncaa-college-athletics-finances-database/54955804/1

Pretty sure a chunk of that extra goes towards paying the stadium renovation bond. No student fees are used to support that program by the way.

You're pretty sure. Evidence for that?

I was wrong, its $485mm. Wow just wow.

Look above. Nearly 80% self funded/gifts.

**Frazzled**

Here we go:
"The project will be funded by donations, seat licenses, student fees and ticket revenue, as well as a preferred facilities agreement between the Bryan-College Station convention and visitors bureau that will use hotel and tax revenue for the next 30 years."

Student fees and taxes.Translation: ME.

Awesome just awesome. The Boy doesn't even go to the games, and they suck this year.
Not like my UH. 9-0. Billy Bob's School of Auto Repair doesn't have a chance against are awesome "Switchblade Offense" (before the game fans mob the opposing team and shank as many as possible).

**CptJake**

Frazz, you staying in hotels and renting cars when you go to the games? If not, you are not paying those taxes.

**Frazzled**

CptJake wrote:
Frazz, you staying in hotels and renting cars when you go to the games? If not, you are not paying those taxes.

1. I am if I went there.
2. You missed the student fees too.

Again, sucking off the public with their crony capitalism.
Not like UH. We built our stadium the old fashioned way. We stole it. Those Rice Rich Boys just left it out unlocked. Its not our fault it disappeared.