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2016/01/20 15:54:32
Subject: Re:The Academy Awards, The Boycot, and What Chris Rock Should Do.
You guys are aware Spike Lee and Jada Pinkett-Smith are not "keyboard warriors", right?
And "yeah, it's messed up, but shut up and take it until it "naturally" fixes itself" seems like sort of a weird, weak argument. What exactly is "naturally" fixing itself - waiting 20 or 30 years without complaint?
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2016/01/20 15:56:17
Subject: Re:The Academy Awards, The Boycot, and What Chris Rock Should Do.
Ouze wrote: You guys are aware Spike Lee and Jada Pinkett-Smith are not "keyboard warriors", right?
You mean that this can't all be traced back to SJWs?
CaoCaoTipper wrote: this sort of reaction will just lead to quota-filling token nominations.
Will it though? Will it really? Your post seems to be half saying that "keyboard warriors" get nothing done, and half worrying that they'll cause the apocalypse.
It needs to change naturally, not through Internet outrage and Twitter campaigns.
How do you propose that the change is going to come about "naturally" then? Because it's been changing "naturally" for the past 60 or so years, and there's still a disparity.
I don't really care if Chris Rock does it or not. The awards are stupid anyway.
"Actually I never cared about it in the first place, that's why I commented on it complaining about keyboard warriors".
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Ouze wrote: You guys are aware Spike Lee and Jada Pinkett-Smith are not "keyboard warriors", right?
You mean that this can't all be traced back to SJWs?
SJBS!!!!
That being said, the urge to play buzzword bingo is overwhelming, I know. But maybe we can avoid crapping up every thread with the usual meaningless acronym garbage. That's clearly where this was headed, in my opinion.
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2016/01/20 16:04:43
Subject: Re:The Academy Awards, The Boycot, and What Chris Rock Should Do.
Ouze wrote: You guys are aware Spike Lee and Jada Pinkett-Smith are not "keyboard warriors", right?
You mean that this can't all be traced back to SJWs?
The urge to play buzzword bingo is overwhelming, I know. But maybe we can avoid crapping up every thread with the usually acronym garbage. That's clearly where this was headed, in my opinion.
Sorry, was partway through the rest of my post and got waylaid; I did have somewhat of an actual point to make.
sebster wrote: Does anyone remember when Crash beat out Brokeback Mountain for best picture, and everyone called the Academy homophobic?
I think it’s more that the weirdness of the Academy members is a lot more complex than simply shutting out black artists because of racism. The Academy actually loves movies about racism. [spoiler]It’s only a few years since 12 Years A Slave won best film, and a black actress won best supporting in that movie. That was a great movie and a rightful winner of course, but there’s also been some very favourable treatment of some very average movies about race. The Help was nominated for best film, and a black actress won best supporting, and that film was pleasant at best. And of course there was Crash, which actually won, despite being absolutely fething awful.
It’s actually a very weird kind of racism. The academy is kind of like a white guy who really wants to be friends with every black person he meets, but the only thing he can ever talk about with a black person is racism, and how he isn’t racist at all. So if a film about racism is made, the academy covers it with nominations and awards whether it deserves them or not. But the academy seems unaware that black people are actually involved in some really good work that isn’t about racism.
Thing is, faced with a weird kind of racism like that, I’m not really sure strong activism and boycotts is the right approach. By placing race first and foremost, it's likely to exacerbate the weird kind of racism the Academy suffers.
Identity politics has pigeonholed black people as victims. If you're not portraying a victim, then the judges aren't interested.
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2016/01/22 00:53:19
Subject: The Academy Awards, The Boycot, and What Chris Rock Should Do.
Ouze wrote: Only if we give it to him repeatedly, at high speed, to the back of his head.
That dude is movie cancer.
The first I heard about Tyler Perry was when a couple of Australian film critics were saying a movie of his wasn’t very good, but they were doing it with this weird kind of conciliatory language when normally they’re very blunt about bad movies.
Then having seen Gone Girl people I saw some people rave about his performance and give Oscar buzz, when there was really nothing special about his role. He wasn’t bad, it was just a simple, secondary role. So it got even weirder.
Then I saw one of his own movies, and oh wow it was terrible. And it was movie that some people with otherwise reasonable taste had said was good.
So I'm starting to guess there's a lot of politics going on? From the little I've read Perry holds an important social place, as a black man making films that do extremely well with black audiences. But it seems people then want to signal their politics by raving about the dude, rather than actually just judge his films on their own merits.
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2016/01/22 03:53:24
Subject: The Academy Awards, The Boycot, and What Chris Rock Should Do.
sebster wrote: So I'm starting to guess there's a lot of politics going on? From the little I've read Perry holds an important social place, as a black man making films that do extremely well with black audiences. But it seems people then want to signal their politics by raving about the dude, rather than actually just judge his films on their own merits.
Yeah, that circles back to what myself and others (like you!) have said - sure, there is racism in hollywood - the overt kind, and the soft kind like low expectations, as you've described with Tyler Perry. However, did it cost Will Smith and Idris Elba (for example) nominations this year? .... probably not. There are a lot of moving parts in the Oscar machine and while racism is a few gears here and there the big cogs are probably campaigning and shmoozing.
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2016/01/22 05:00:21
Subject: The Academy Awards, The Boycot, and What Chris Rock Should Do.
Ouze wrote: Yeah, that circles back to what myself and others (like you!) have said - sure, there is racism in hollywood - the overt kind, and the soft kind like low expectations, as you've described with Tyler Perry. However, did it cost Will Smith and Idris Elba (for example) nominations this year? .... probably not. There are a lot of moving parts in the Oscar machine and while racism is a few gears here and there the big cogs are probably campaigning and shmoozing.
Yeah, definitely this. If a big studio decides it is going to invest in a very serious film about a very worthy subject, and it wants Oscars nominations and wins to drive its marketing campaign, then the political machine it puts in place will make sure that movie gets Oscar nominations and maybe even wins. That doesn’t really change whether people in question are black or not.
What changes, I think, is what kinds of movies the studio wants to make with black stars, and what films it won’t. And I think I’m now just repeating what we’ve both already said. Whoops.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2016/01/22 08:43:14
Subject: Re:The Academy Awards, The Boycot, and What Chris Rock Should Do.
I know you're all about posting from your phone so shortcuts, glib, 'clever' and all that, but ageism?
Really?
For shame!
Well, there is the fact that the average Academy voter is over 65 to consider. Hotsauceman may not be too far off the mark with his comment.
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2016/01/24 04:05:22
Subject: Re:The Academy Awards, The Boycot, and What Chris Rock Should Do.
Oscars not only award for movies.
There's others put there, and they have different criteria and voting systems.
An Oscar is a nice bonus for the film makers, what they want more is money and bums on seats globaly. You can have critics and awards loving you, but if it makes less than cost, still a fail, just a rather well made fail.
Obviously black actors have not been cast in Oscar roles/films
Yes or no? Well that's up for debate yet black actors still make good money in Hollywood and get cast in films and tv on a regular basis.
A black actor was lead cast on star wars, one of biggest franchise, may not win Oscar bit shows a black actor can get a good role, and there not a victim, or the one you kill off in first half hour.
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2016/01/26 16:09:09
Subject: Re:The Academy Awards, The Boycot, and What Chris Rock Should Do.
That's seems stupid to me, I don't see how not talking about race or race issues solves racial problems. I guess MLK Jr. should of just shut up and did as he was told instead of talking about the injustices of black people.
2016/01/26 21:58:33
Subject: Re:The Academy Awards, The Boycot, and What Chris Rock Should Do.
That's seems stupid to me, I don't see how not talking about race or race issues solves racial problems. I guess MLK Jr. should of just shut up and did as he was told instead of talking about the injustices of black people.
2016 =/= the 1960's.
You're missing the point he was making. Focusing so much on race and viewing everything through a filter of racism helps perpetuate those problems. He was criticizing the mindset of dividing people into categories of "black" and "white".
But by all means, feel free to say how a black man is stupid for not wanting everything to be all about race.
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