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found this floating around the interwebz

http://i.imgur.com/HlUNfYP.png

Which is also them describing the stormsurge firing more weapons than are actually allowed and saying you can completely disregard what the anchors tell you to do(make your first shooting before your second).

All that along with WD emails not being a rules-source here, and...

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
Scott:

How many targets can you select?
Up to 1 per weapon since each weapon can target a separate unit(it is right there in the rule)

What about a weapon that can fire without los?

Yeah, target with that weapon the exact same way you normally would(why would it be any different?)

What stops you from simply selecting every unit as a target?

Nothing more than the ratio of weapons to targets.

You're making a connection that isn't in the rules - there's nothing about assigning targets to weapons in step 2. (although I do believe that's the best way to play it)

As I said, if you make that connection (that doesn't have rules support) then those questions are answered and we have a workaround.

Without that connection we have nothing to tell us how many targets we may select or any other limits on those selections so the obvious thing to do is to select targets as we select weapons which gives us a different workaround.

(BTW - you assumed assigning targets to weapons in step 2 and then answered my questions for what happens if you don't assign targets to weapons in step 2)

What do you mean that there is nothing in the rules about assigning targets to weapons?

Third portion of the first sentence in the shv shooting rules: "...and it may fire each of its weapons at different targets if desired."

Step 2 is declare target; if each weapon is firing at a different target those targets for those weapons must be chosen at this step. It is not that difficult.

All you have to do is apply all of the rules involved(basic shooting phase, vehicles shooting, shv shooting)

So basically each weapon counts as a separate unit during Step 2?

If so, can you declare a unit inside of a transport as a target just in case another weapon (which you will obviously fire first) destroys the transport?

So basically each weapon counts as a separate unit during Step 2?

If so, can you declare a unit inside of a transport as a target just in case another weapon (which you will obviously fire first) destroys the transport?

I don't think that would work in any context, regardless of the circumstances (or this debate)

The way I demonstrated how the shooting sequence works for a Superheavy matches the way the White Dwarf guy explains it, except that targets are selected before weapons are selected (which he implied but didn't mention). Not saying the WD guy is legit, just noting that he is correct.

SJ

jeffersonian000 wrote:

Charistoph wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 General_K wrote:
the interpretation makes sense to me. Choosing a number of targets for the number of weapons you have (but not locking a weapon to those targets until the targets are selected). Problem is, it's an interpretation, and the other way (this weapon will fire at this rhino. Go through sequence. This weapon will fire at this rhino. Go through sequence) could also be feasible under the lack of specificity here.

The difference is, I followed all of the rules as written, without implying a different sequence from what is written.

SJ

Changing targets when changing Weapons is not part of the Shooting Sequence, though, nor requiring all Weapon's targets in Step 2. Any such change is an assumption because the change is not properly defined. It seems to be on the assumption of 6th Edition's Shooting Sequence. It is a broken rule, so any steps to make it work will be House-Ruled.

Just claiming it's broken and requires a house rule does not actually make it broken nor requires a house rule. Following the rules as written isn't hard.

SJ

No, it not addressing how it changes the rules when such is needed is what makes it broken. I just point it out.

You can't make changes to the rules that are undefined and NOT call it House Ruling.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

Third portion of the first sentence in the shv shooting rules: "...and it may fire each of its weapons at different targets if desired."

And you're extrapolating that into a requirement to decide which target each weapon is going to fire at before firing any weapons with no option to change which target a weapon is using as you work through the weapons?

Yes because step 2 is choose target.

Before you select any weapons in your unit to make a shooting attack with you must select your target. The shv shooting rules state that each weapon may choose a different target.

This means when selecting a target for your shv unit you choose 1 target per weapon; then you move on to step 3, selecting a weapon to fire. Now it states in selecting a weapon to fire that you do not have to fire all of those weapons. So if you have chosen, say 2 heavy bolters and a heavy stubber to target a single infantry unit; fore the heavy bolters first -killing the unit; then your heavy stubber gets selected and not fired.

The same could happen with any other weapons: you choose your target, but then you can select the weapon and choose not to fire it.

I believe the rules for the shooting phase answer the question pretty handily, at least in my opinion. When shooting with a unit that has different weapon types you resolve each hit and wound separately and your opponent takes their save after each wound from the different weapon types. That's a 7th edition rule IIRC. So it would make sense to treat a model with several different weapons the same way, where you fire a single weapon, resolve the results, then fire your next weapon. Super Heavy's and GMC's just have the luxury of being able to fire at different targets with all of their different weapons. That's just my way of reading it though, and if my opponent strongly disagrees I just play it the way they believe it should be played.