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2016/04/07 22:45:25
Subject: Kaldor Draigo doesn't make sense to me
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
What's left of Cadia
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Draigo doesn't make sense to most people.
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TheEyeOfNight- I swear, this thread is 70% smack talk, 20% RP organization, and 10% butt jokes
TheEyeOfNight- "Ordo Xenos reports that the Necrons have attained democracy, kamikaze tendencies, and nuclear fission. It's all tits up, sir."
Space Marine flyers are shaped for the greatest possible air resistance so that the air may never defeat the SPACE MARINES!
Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum
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2016/04/07 22:54:27
Subject: Kaldor Draigo doesn't make sense to me
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Aha, one of the biggest compliments I've seen for online discussions. Thanks. 
no said story refers to a relitivly new grey knight who has a "moment of doubt" when the grey knights destroy an entire planet to contain one deamon.
Actually it refers to a different situation. You're thinking of Brother Brutus who had a moment of doubt when an entire flotilla of refugee ships was destroyed to stop the Changeling from escaping. pm713 is referring to a story where a silver knight (I can't remember if he's explicitly said to be a space marine) is trapped in the Warp and fights through various Warp creatures before eventually bowing to Slaanesh itself. However, the same Codex empirically states that no Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos. For it to refer to Draigo (or any Grey Knight) would contradict that (and one of the most important parts of the Grey Knights).
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2016/04/08 01:23:34
Subject: Kaldor Draigo doesn't make sense to me
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RogueSangre
The Cockatrice Malediction
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 DarknessEternal wrote: Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
And the point I'm making is that creating a character that's such an omgkewlrockinguitarsolobadass!!!! that he can solo the Chaos gods in their own realm is unspeakably dumb. The fact that he can't permanently kill them doesn't make him tragic or compelling - he's still an unspeakably dumb character.
He's not. That other guy is wrong.
Draigo isn't killing anything. He only thinks he is. That's why nothing he's doing is making a difference, because he's not doing anything.
What do you consider more likely? Some mortal warrior wandering around a realm completely anathema to mortals and not only surviving, but defeating the greatest mind and reality warping powers known to no one (I'd say man, but man has no idea how to comprehend Chaos). Or that said powers are just containing him in their hellish nightmare-scape where reality is literally their whim and making him think he's doing something useful and having a giggle about it?
Draigo's "adventures in the Warp" only exist because Chaos is entertained by it.
One normal man is literally incapable of the things he thinks he's accomplishing. Chaos is not something you can fight with a sword.
The only problem with Draigo is the same problem with much of the setting. The audience doesn't get the joke.
That's nice headcanon but that's not the way he's portrayed in the codex.
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2016/04/10 12:51:13
Subject: Kaldor Draigo doesn't make sense to me
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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pm713 wrote:Isn't their a story in the Daemon codex that refers to a silver knight being corrupted? Couldn't that have been Draigo?
There is. Which contradicts the Grey Knight codex saying that they are incorruptible. I guess those holy runes engraved into their very bones just don't seem to work against chaos gods...
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2016/04/10 14:27:07
Subject: Kaldor Draigo doesn't make sense to me
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 Quarterdime wrote:pm713 wrote:Isn't their a story in the Daemon codex that refers to a silver knight being corrupted? Couldn't that have been Draigo?
There is. Which contradicts the Grey Knight codex saying that they are incorruptible. I guess those holy runes engraved into their very bones just don't seem to work against chaos gods...
There's nothing to say it is Draigo either though. If I recall correctly the very same codex says no Grey Knight has fallen.
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2016/04/10 19:59:31
Subject: Kaldor Draigo doesn't make sense to me
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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Animus wrote: Quarterdime wrote:pm713 wrote:Isn't their a story in the Daemon codex that refers to a silver knight being corrupted? Couldn't that have been Draigo?
There is. Which contradicts the Grey Knight codex saying that they are incorruptible. I guess those holy runes engraved into their very bones just don't seem to work against chaos gods...
There's nothing to say it is Draigo either though. If I recall correctly the very same codex says no Grey Knight has fallen.
Well that still avoids the question of what would happen if a Grey Knight ever came into contact with a chaos god.
Obviously the chaos god should win, but the question becomes what happens to the grey knight?
My money is on them bursting into warpflame and dying with nothing remaining but their power armor and ash.
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2016/04/10 20:07:44
Subject: Kaldor Draigo doesn't make sense to me
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
Why Aye Ya Canny Dakkanaughts!
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Quarterdime wrote:Animus wrote: Quarterdime wrote:pm713 wrote:Isn't their a story in the Daemon codex that refers to a silver knight being corrupted? Couldn't that have been Draigo?
There is. Which contradicts the Grey Knight codex saying that they are incorruptible. I guess those holy runes engraved into their very bones just don't seem to work against chaos gods...
There's nothing to say it is Draigo either though. If I recall correctly the very same codex says no Grey Knight has fallen.
Well that still avoids the question of what would happen if a Grey Knight ever came into contact with a chaos god.
Obviously the chaos god should win, but the question becomes what happens to the grey knight?
My money is on them bursting into warpflame and dying with nothing remaining but their power armor and ash.
Since a Chaos God can do anything in their own realm I'm sure that Slaanesh could simply overpower Draigo (I am not saying it is Draigo (or am I?) but hypothetically) and use him to take the Grey Knights onto the path of damnation. Unless of course Draigo is denounced as a heretic and executed, or becomes the Grey Knights version of the DA's Cypher. (Might be interesting...)
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Ghorros wrote:The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
 Marmatag wrote:All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
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2016/04/11 04:33:17
Subject: Kaldor Draigo doesn't make sense to me
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Fixture of Dakka
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Abadabadoobaddon wrote: DarknessEternal wrote:
The only problem with Draigo is the same problem with much of the setting. The audience doesn't get the joke.
That's nice headcanon but that's not the way he's portrayed in the codex.
I think you missed a part. You're doing exactly what is described.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2016/04/11 12:24:39
Subject: Kaldor Draigo doesn't make sense to me
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Do what I do with an fluff or crunch that is plain daft... ignore it and pretend it never happened
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2016/04/11 20:02:58
Subject: Kaldor Draigo doesn't make sense to me
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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Isn't this Draigo character one of Matt Wards many blatant attempts to kick dirt on the fluff? Does Draigo aspire to be an Ultrasmurf too?
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2016/04/11 21:43:22
Subject: Kaldor Draigo doesn't make sense to me
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Wing Commander
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Of course he does. Every Space Marine wants to be an Ultrasmurf. All hail our Spiritual Liege!
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 Homebrew Imperial Guard: 1222nd Etrurian Lancers (Winged); Special Air-Assault Brigade (SAAB)
 Homebrew Chaos: The Black Suns; A Medrengard Militia (think Iron Warriors-centric Blood Pact/Sons of Sek) |
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2016/04/12 08:20:49
Subject: Re:Kaldor Draigo doesn't make sense to me
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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Ships with Geller fields traverse the Warp without getting stomped all the time. Ordinary Terminators teleport through it. Similarly, Grey Knights have always been anathema to Chaos. There seems to be some sort of phobia of the Imperium winning anything, even when said victory is actually inconsequential.
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2016/04/12 13:59:29
Subject: Kaldor Draigo doesn't make sense to me
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
Kapuskasing, ON
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Don't want to spoil the grimdark setting. If Imperium starts winning the setting slogan will need to be changed to 'glimmer of hope shining in the darkness'. Not very catchy and a bit of a mouthful.
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2016/04/12 15:08:56
Subject: Re:Kaldor Draigo doesn't make sense to me
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:Ships with Geller fields traverse the Warp without getting stomped all the time. Ordinary Terminators teleport through it. Similarly, Grey Knights have always been anathema to Chaos. There seems to be some sort of phobia of the Imperium winning anything, even when said victory is actually inconsequential.
Orks even enjoy Gellar field failures (or just go without them) if I recall correctly.
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2016/04/12 15:43:10
Subject: Kaldor Draigo doesn't make sense to me
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
Kapuskasing, ON
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Yup. With all the fighting during trips in the warp hulks come out over brimming with big happy orks.
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2016/04/18 21:17:56
Subject: Kaldor Draigo doesn't make sense to me
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Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
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Animus wrote: Quarterdime wrote:pm713 wrote:Isn't their a story in the Daemon codex that refers to a silver knight being corrupted? Couldn't that have been Draigo?
There is. Which contradicts the Grey Knight codex saying that they are incorruptible. I guess those holy runes engraved into their very bones just don't seem to work against chaos gods...
There's nothing to say it is Draigo either though. If I recall correctly the very same codex says no Grey Knight has fallen.
Yeah but that's the same book in which the incorruptible Grey Knights have to have a Sister of Battle Blood Bubble Bath so that they don't get corrupted. That kind of inconsistency within the book kinda means you have to take everything with a metric ton of salt.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
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2016/04/19 02:23:26
Subject: Kaldor Draigo doesn't make sense to me
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
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Yeah Matt Ward does a number on whatever he gets his mitts on. Ultramarines, Necrons, Draigo, you name it, he'll kick it in the Orky Bitz
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2016/04/19 02:29:27
Subject: Kaldor Draigo doesn't make sense to me
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Yeah but that's the same book in which the incorruptible Grey Knights have to have a Sister of Battle Blood Bubble Bath so that they don't get corrupted. That kind of inconsistency within the book kinda means you have to take everything with a metric ton of salt.
He was referring to the Daemons Codex.
In regards to the Sisters of Battle incident it depends on the definition of corruption used. The Bloodtide was causing people to explode or be effectively mind controlled. Psychic powers still affect Grey Knights. Especially explodey ones.
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2016/04/20 11:23:32
Subject: Kaldor Draigo doesn't make sense to me
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Draigo is supposed to be a tragic character, but due to Ward's inability to write in any key other than four-color badassery it doesn't come off.
If he wrote about Sisyphus we would get a story about how Sisyphus is so tough and powerful that the rock just can't ever wear him down!
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2016/04/23 23:45:08
Subject: Kaldor Draigo doesn't make sense to me
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Alcibiades wrote:Draigo is supposed to be a tragic character, but due to Ward's inability to write in any key other than four-color badassery it doesn't come off.
If he wrote about Sisyphus we would get a story about how Sisyphus is so tough and powerful that the rock just can't ever wear him down!
A tragic character isn't one who finds himself in a tragic situation, it is a character who is brought low by their own hubris. If anything he is a comic figure, being a boogeyman to frighten naughty daemons into bed, leaping out of clouds to face palm greater daemons before disappearing again.
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