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Is it bad that I don't really know what Tumbler is, outside of its liquor holding capacity?

EDIT: I did discover two important things Saturday:

1. Four Roses special batch is pretty good.
2. In emergency, one can use strawberry topping for ice cream to make an excellent strawberry daiquiri.

 Frazzled wrote:
Is it bad that I don't really know what Tumbler is, outside of its liquor holding capacity?

I'm also not familiar. Some sort of internet thing the kids like, I assume.

I feel old...

 MrDwhitey wrote:


Also which edition of Battlelore?

2nd Edition. Just the base game, non of the expansions (yet). We like it, not too complex but has enough in it to give the players a lot of cool choices/decisions to make.

And I agree, the situation I quoted is not likely to be true. If it was, I really wonder where her folks were and why they let her into any store unattended at that age.

EDIT: Went back and read the linked post beyond the first few paragraphs. Those are some pretty serious allegations. I retract my previous commentary as I thought I was commenting on a very different set of stories than that turned out to be.

 welshhoppo wrote:
Something about this article seems kind of fishy....

I mean, sexism does exist,its a sad fact, but to have this level of sexism on an apparently daily basis and ignored by the authorities as well? Doesn't smell right.

That's what I was thinking. It reads like an old time weekly cliffhanger of the type they used to play in the '30's just before the main feature. This week, the heroine is thrown on the railroad tracks, next week, she's tied to a log going through a buzz saw, etc. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before we get a movie "exposing" all of this in the style of the "Mazes and Monsters" film Tom Hanks was in years ago.

 welshhoppo wrote:
Something about this article seems kind of fishy....

I mean, sexism does exist,its a sad fact, but to have this level of sexism on an apparently daily basis and ignored by the authorities as well? Doesn't smell right.

It's fully believable. There really isn't such a thing as something that is too terrible to happen. Some communities are awful.

Sex-related crimes are rather notorious for being tough to go through charges with, both because it's difficult to have to bring up again and because many people in the justice system take your view.

 Chongara wrote:
Well it's a tumblr post, can't be taken too seriously it's just a place for kids to vent. Anyway even if the framing of it as "Terrorism" is probably melodramatic hyperbole, I don't doubt it's rooted in some real experiences. Most women I know who game have stories about running afoul of at least one group of insular neck-beards at some point. I'm willing to say that compared with other communities & hobbies I've engaged with gaming has a higher-dickbag density than other groups particularly where relating to women is concerned.

1. Its a group with a good bit of socially mal adjusted persons, so I could see some of that, definitely.
2. It makes me sad.

I will note though she seemed to slamabout every geek gaming thing around-miniatures, conventions, DnD, even good old Shadowrun. Sounds also like she was a store employee-which is its own little private hell I'd imagine. She also saounds REALLYYYYYY angry.

I don't believe the original complaint, nor do I think Wyrd owes her anything, even if the complaint is true.

What happened, if real, is between her and the gamestore and local authorities.

Nothing can stop gamers' endless quest to drive all women out of gaming.

Not even this purple haired jive turkey with a persecution complex and her blog post can stand against our cascade of patriarchal e-misogyny.

Only when the last pair of XX chromosomes is eradicated from tabletop miniature gaming will we be able to find peace.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Chongara wrote:
Well it's a tumblr post, can't be taken too seriously it's just a place for kids to vent. Anyway even if the framing of it as "Terrorism" is probably melodramatic hyperbole, I don't doubt it's rooted in some real experiences. Most women I know who game have stories about running afoul of at least one group of insular neck-beards at some point. I'm willing to say that compared with other communities & hobbies I've engaged with gaming has a higher-dickbag density than other groups particularly where relating to women is concerned.

1. Its a group with a good bit of socially mal adjusted persons, so I could see some of that, definitely.
2. It makes me sad.

I will note though she seemed to slamabout every geek gaming thing around-miniatures, conventions, DnD, even good old Shadowrun. Sounds also like she was a store employee-which is its own little private hell I'd imagine. She also saounds REALLYYYYYY angry.

Well I've since edited out my post. I made it originally only reading the general thoughts on abusive language and threats, plus the dude's creepy chant. The rest of the post goes on describe several real assaults, and at least one rape. That's well beyond what I'm going to provide any sort of commentary on.

 CptJake wrote:
If it was, I really wonder where her folks were and why they let her into any store unattended at that age.

Why should a 13yr old girl be unable to go into a game (toy) store without parents? When I was that age, I was out and about without parents in tow most every day. I used to hit up comic book shops and buy my RPG supplies without my parents present and everything was just fine.

Back to topic, why do some people feel the need to support stuff like this? Even if one is of like mind as the author, what possible good can come from disseminating an essay so obviously flawed that even a cursory read would off-put anyone you might be trying to convince?

 Breotan wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
If it was, I really wonder where her folks were and why they let her into any store unattended at that age.

Why should a 13yr old girl be unable to go into a game (toy) store without parents? When I was that age, I was out and about without parents in tow most every day. I used to hit up comic book shops and buy my RPG supplies without my parents present and everything was just fine.

And when I was that age the world was a different and in many ways safer place than it is now. I didn't let my two sons go into places unsupervised at that age, and don't let my daughter do it either. And most of those type of places I have been in over the last decade+ really don't WANT unsupervised kids in the place and will generally let you know it.

The world wasn't less dangerous when you were a child.

Rosebuddy wrote:
The world wasn't less dangerous when you were a child.

Yeah, pretty much.

By all measurements, it's safer now then when we were children.

Having read the article I am truly sorry that this person has had to endure so many terrible assaults in a hobby I love. I am not learned enough to make any comment on the Canadian legal system and can only express my dismay and sympathy that this individual feels terrorised. As I only game with friends in the UK I have never known an intimidating and hostile community. If anything I'm the problem player keeping people out from my circle of friends.

The author obviously has dealt with terrible responses from the community and law enforcement, especially when battling difficult to tackle crimes when a community locks ranks against an individual. I'd like to think this case will be different. I'd invite the author to share the harassment she has received from Wyrd employees. In this instance I believe that's the best way forward, I do not doubt the author's experiences, however as this appears to be an ongoing complaint against Wyrd, and the author implies she can provide proof I'd like to see it before making any judgement. I will always presume innocent until proven guilty.

Tumblr and the link says "white male terrorism".

This entire thing has the same amount of credibility as a "THe truth about Putin" article on RT or an ISIS video on Liveleak.

 Frazzled wrote:
Is it bad that I don't really know what Tumbler is, outside of its liquor holding capacity?

Tumblr is the same as 4chan on the opposing political spectrum.

My experince is that tabletop gamers are the absolute opposite of female hating psychos mainly because to interact with girls in such a setting is unbelievably refreshing, exciting even
And she might have girl friend gamers too!!!!111!!!

I call bull gak on this one. Just another misplaced, bitter soul venting on the webz me thinks.

 CptJake wrote:
And when I was that age the world was a different and in many ways safer place than it is now.

But was it really, or is it just increased news coverage of anything remotely scary that makes it seem so? When our police got mobile breathalyzers instead of having to judge whether the suspicious driver had to be taken in for a blood test the drunk driving numbers went up sharply, but that doesn't mean people didn't drive drunk before. They just weren't caught as often because the police only brought in the really obvious cases for an official test.

Having read through this article I can only make a couple of assumptions.

1: Canada is the most sexist place in the world and hates all women

or conversely

2: This women is full of excrement and is lying through her teeth.


I move around a fair bit, I have lived in cities,country areas and everything in between, i have been to about a dozen gaming stores (not a big sample I Know) all of them in the US. If any of these behaviors happened in a US store the person in question (depending on the actions) would either be fired, banned for life or arrested.

If I was ever in a store and heard some creepy old guy telling a young girl "Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed" I am positive that knowing myself I would make this person the target of a lot of criticism and probably get him fired or banned. I refuse to believe that our northern neighbors are any less "evolved" as Americans. So in reality this girl is either making things up, or more likely she did suffer a minor case of sexism against her "comments, words something" and when she didn't get enough attention about it she went "Full slow" and as we all know, you never go Full slow. (Tropic Thunder).

As I said, I have traveled a fair amount and played in a lot of different stores. In that whole time, excluding wives/girlfriends who are only there because they want to spend a bit of time with their overly nerdy husbands/boyfriends, I think I have come across maybe 3-5 girls actively playing. Not only were they treated EXACTLY the same as the guys playing they were completely un-noteworthy at all. 1 SoB player, 2 SM players 1 Tau Player and one rather confused Ork player who seemed to think that Nobz were best fielded in big blobs and were meant to foot slog across the board.

Ohh come on Dakka, You can't say the old medical term for someone who is "Slow"? really? Profanities I understand but really?

Spetulhu wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
And when I was that age the world was a different and in many ways safer place than it is now.

But was it really, or is it just increased news coverage of anything remotely scary that makes it seem so? When our police got mobile breathalyzers instead of having to judge whether the suspicious driver had to be taken in for a blood test the drunk driving numbers went up sharply, but that doesn't mean people didn't drive drunk before. They just weren't caught as often because the police only brought in the really obvious cases for an official test.

Of course I could show the statistics that violent crime per capita has decreased from when I was a kid through the present, but of course, those are just statistics based on facts...

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0778268.html



EDIT: Yeah, The stats show it is safer today. By far.

I still do not think letting kids go into stores unattended is a good idea, unless the store management agrees to it, and I don't know many that would.

"Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed!"

At that point I realized that this was all a nightmare that the writer of this blog post perceives to be real due to the very serious case of PTSD she received from evil 4channers that made fun of her favorite Undertale character.

SemperMortis wrote:
Having read through this article I can only make a couple of assumptions.

1: Canada is the most sexist place in the world and hates all women

or conversely

2: This women is full of excrement and is lying through her teeth.


I move around a fair bit, I have lived in cities,country areas and everything in between, i have been to about a dozen gaming stores (not a big sample I Know) all of them in the US. If any of these behaviors happened in a US store the person in question (depending on the actions) would either be fired, banned for life or arrested.

If I was ever in a store and heard some creepy old guy telling a young girl "Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed" I am positive that knowing myself I would make this person the target of a lot of criticism and probably get him fired or banned. I refuse to believe that our northern neighbors are any less "evolved" as Americans. So in reality this girl is either making things up, or more likely she did suffer a minor case of sexism against her "comments, words something" and when she didn't get enough attention about it she went "Full slow" and as we all know, you never go Full slow. (Tropic Thunder).

As I said, I have traveled a fair amount and played in a lot of different stores. In that whole time, excluding wives/girlfriends who are only there because they want to spend a bit of time with their overly nerdy husbands/boyfriends, I think I have come across maybe 3-5 girls actively playing. Not only were they treated EXACTLY the same as the guys playing they were completely un-noteworthy at all. 1 SoB player, 2 SM players 1 Tau Player and one rather confused Ork player who seemed to think that Nobz were best fielded in big blobs and were meant to foot slog across the board.

Ohh come on Dakka, You can't say the old medical term for someone who is "Slow"? really? Profanities I understand but really?

Having said that...

Originally Freud did not have a theory about the Eodipus complex etc. He had so many patients that came in abused by relatives that it was staggering. His original notations discussed this, but the backlash was so bad he came up with this interesting thory, because it couldn't be true...right?

Turns out it was true.

I am not saying everything she is saying is real-or even any of it. However I am saying, that the "surely that couldn't happen" mantra-including from me- is not always correct.
Being the psychotic neanderthal that I am, I do not have the frame of reference of a femme.

Rosebuddy wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:
Something about this article seems kind of fishy....

I mean, sexism does exist,its a sad fact, but to have this level of sexism on an apparently daily basis and ignored by the authorities as well? Doesn't smell right.

It's fully believable. There really isn't such a thing as something that is too terrible to happen. Some communities are awful.

Sex-related crimes are rather notorious for being tough to go through charges with, both because it's difficult to have to bring up again and because many people in the justice system take your view.

Yeah, but there is a difference between that and calling the police claiming to be drugged and the first thing they say is "your obviously drunk, go away."

I also refuse to believe that she happened to stumble into a club full of hebephiles.

This seems almost entirely made up. Not that it can't happen (oh boy, it can and has happened), but most "nerds" or "gamers" are more likely to harass and assault someone via email than in person. Most people who play tabletop games I doubt would be so aggressive and physical in real life, but when on the internet, they become full tilt psychos.

Again, I'm generalizing here, but I'd argue women are more likely to face blank stares and awkward situations than full on physical/verbal harassment in a game store. Again, not saying it can't happen, just that I wouldn't bet on it.

Presuming the author is the same person in the linked court case then she has suffered and proved one of her assaults to be true in a court of law. I don't see any reason why she would invent the rest if the incidents and as a lot of the crimibal acts are verbal or sexual assaults with few or no witnesses then they're going to be additionally hard to indict.

However if she's recieving forum harassment and can link employee names to forum account names then that should be much simpler to prove. Again however until such evidence appears, Wyrd are innocent.

 Frazzled wrote:
Is it bad that I don't really know what Tumbler is, outside of its liquor holding capacity?

Tumblr has 3 main purposes, ranked in importance
1: Porn,especially the weird kind.
2: For Fandoms to connect and show weird/funny pics(Somethimes related to #1)
3: For White College Aged females with dyed hair to complain about the patriarchy.

I feel like the whole post is one of those "sadsue" stories. I think that is the name, where everything bad that can happen does happen. Allowing the writer to create a worst possible life for the character and thus receive maximal victim points on the internet.

I hope none of this happened to the (30 something?) woman. If however it did then the Canadian gaming community needs to be purged with extreme prejudice.

I mostly question the police telling her that she will die if she doesn't get out of the gaming community. As if to further anchor the whole terrorism angle that police for some reason are investigating.

There is also the chance it is a deep troll account (but then that is always a chance).

 BrotherGecko wrote:
There is also the chance it is a deep troll account (but then that is always a chance).

The account was pretty genuine. I read through 60-70 pages last night and most of it was social justice "issues," bashing white men (including homosexuals) and architecture. This post was by far the most exaggerated of the portion of the blog I read through.

Sounds like a possible sadsue story taken out of context then???

I try to hope the best in the worst.

 welshhoppo wrote:

Yeah, but there is a difference between that and calling the police claiming to be drugged and the first thing they say is "your obviously drunk, go away."

I also refuse to believe that she happened to stumble into a club full of hebephiles.

If you refuse to believe then *shrug* that's on you.