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What would be cool is if they released Errata in White Dwarf that rebalanced the Ork Codex. And then made a habit of doing so for other armies that need it.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
What would be cool is if they released Errata in White Dwarf that rebalanced the Ork Codex. And then made a habit of doing so for other armies that need it.

They're on with that now I believe. That week of FAQs and Errata requests on FB generated an insane number of queries. Granted there were some repeat questions, there was about 2500+ to look at.

Oh good, can't wait to see how they screw over Orks too. What, gutting my Crimson Slaughter wasn't enough?

I was wondering when the Chaos players were going to show up to remind us that they got a lackluster release.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
What would be cool is if they released Errata in White Dwarf that rebalanced the Ork Codex. And then made a habit of doing so for other armies that need it.

Yeaaah...you're not gonna see an errata like that.

 Cleatus wrote:
<sarcasm>
GW: Just kidding, it's another Space Marine release. Here are some of the new psyker powers:
Zzap -- Roll a D6. On 2+, all Space Marines have Fleet. All of them. Like, in the whole world. Forever.
Kapow -- Space Marines now have power fists on both hands, and feet. Bolters now fire power fists.
Krakoooooooom! -- Flip the gaming table. Space Marines win. For the Emprah!
</sarcasm>

You forgot to specify that since it's only a half lore they can only roll up to half their triple their powers rounding up.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
What would be cool is if they released Errata in White Dwarf that rebalanced the Ork Codex. And then made a habit of doing so for other armies that need it.

Yeaaah...you're not gonna see an errata like that.

I don't think Ork players are in for anything good next week. For the record, I don't play Orks. As someone who collects Blood Angels, I feel their pain though. A man can dream though!

Well, Char, to be fair, you did just get a large number of psychic powers.

 TedNugent wrote:
Well, Char, to be fair, you did just get a large number of psychic powers.

Yeah, that makes it sting less, I guess. I still feel bad for my Lower Tier brothers. But, to be fair, the Orks *did* just get an "update" to Ghazghull, if you can actually call it that. I imagine that if BA get an update, it will probably be in the form of something similar to Angels of Death. Or they will get a revamp of their codex similar to how Space Wolves did (for better or worse).

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:
Well, Char, to be fair, you did just get a large number of psychic powers.

Yeah, that makes it sting less, I guess. I still feel bad for my Lower Tier brothers. But, to be fair, the Orks *did* just get an "update" to Ghazghull, if you can actually call it that. I imagine that if BA get an update, it will probably be in the form of something similar to Angels of Death. Or they will get a revamp of their codex similar to how Space Wolves did (for better or worse).

No, Orks got a severe nerfing with the "new" Ghazghull supplement.

Calling it an "update" would be like calling the WD BA list from 4th edition an "update", instead the complete slap in the face that it truly was/is.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:
Well, Char, to be fair, you did just get a large number of psychic powers.

Yeah, that makes it sting less, I guess. I still feel bad for my Lower Tier brothers. But, to be fair, the Orks *did* just get an "update" to Ghazghull, if you can actually call it that. I imagine that if BA get an update, it will probably be in the form of something similar to Angels of Death. Or they will get a revamp of their codex similar to how Space Wolves did (for better or worse).

No, Orks got a severe nerfing with the "new" Ghazghull supplement.

Calling it an "update" would be like calling the WD BA list from 4th edition an "update", instead the complete slap in the face that it truly was/is.

I never said it was better. It is just a newer version of Ghaz. Like Windows ME only worse.

 Gamgee wrote:
Weren't there rumors of an ork vs Tau supplement? Or were those debunked? Or I could even be imagining them? Would that clarify the beamyness of the hint or no? Maybe they got some of dat blu boyz tek to show em how to make em right and proppa beamy gunz. Some of dat orkky know wots.

It's hard to imagine GW making a campaign that is not Imperium vs anybody else. Would be cool, but GW has to push on thouse space marines. But Orks vs Blood Angels would be fair enough.

 hordrak wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Weren't there rumors of an ork vs Tau supplement? Or were those debunked? Or I could even be imagining them? Would that clarify the beamyness of the hint or no? Maybe they got some of dat blu boyz tek to show em how to make em right and proppa beamy gunz. Some of dat orkky know wots.

It's hard to imagine GW making a campaign that is not Imperium vs anybody else. Would be cool, but GW has to push on thouse space marines.

You do realize that GW actually did a campaign that was not Imperium vs anybody else, right?

One of their single most popular Apocalypse Warzone books was Eldar and Dark Eldar versus Tyranids, with the Imperium not being present at all. The book was called "Valedor".

But Orks vs Blood Angels would be fair enough.

Pft. It'd be Orks v. Guard again likely.

In any regards, the "rumor" was after the Warboss Grukk's Boss Mob and Tau Command Cadres got leaked and Naftka/BoLS started their usual crap of making garbage up for clicks.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 hordrak wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Weren't there rumors of an ork vs Tau supplement? Or were those debunked? Or I could even be imagining them? Would that clarify the beamyness of the hint or no? Maybe they got some of dat blu boyz tek to show em how to make em right and proppa beamy gunz. Some of dat orkky know wots.

It's hard to imagine GW making a campaign that is not Imperium vs anybody else. Would be cool, but GW has to push on thouse space marines.

You do realize that GW actually did a campaign that was not Imperium vs anybody else, right?

One of their single most popular Apocalypse Warzone books was Eldar and Dark Eldar versus Tyranids, with the Imperium not being present at all. The book was called "Valedor".

But Orks vs Blood Angels would be fair enough.

Pft. It'd be Orks v. Guard again likely.

In any regards, the "rumor" was after the Warboss Grukk's Boss Mob and Tau Command Cadres got leaked and Naftka/BoLS started their usual crap of making garbage up for clicks.

Well, that's Apocalypse, so maybe. But in regular 40k I don't remember such things.

Prior to the Apocalypse Warzone books(which are still in print but not really useful, as most of the non-Tyranid formations have either been republished or absorbed into their respective parent codices), GW didn't do Campaign books aside from the "Codex: Eye of Terror" book many years prior.

That was the point I was making; that there WAS precedent for such a thing.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Prior to the Apocalypse Warzone books(which are still in print but not really useful, as most of the non-Tyranid formations have either been republished or absorbed into their respective parent codices), GW didn't do Campaign books aside from the "Codex: Eye of Terror" book many years prior.

You've forgotten Codex: Armageddon from 2000.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Prior to the Apocalypse Warzone books(which are still in print but not really useful, as most of the non-Tyranid formations have either been republished or absorbed into their respective parent codices), GW didn't do Campaign books aside from the "Codex: Eye of Terror" book many years prior.

You've forgotten Codex: Armageddon from 2000.

So I did!

So two books and a White Dwarf pamphlet for Medusa IV.

Krakoom is the vortex result from the shokk attack gun, so I am hoping for an artillery formation.

The reason I don't take my lobbas is because I'm usually out of slots in a single CAD and my meta looks down on multiple CADs.

I Finally got a vortex out of the SAG a month ago. It didn't kill much but it cause the enemy to run like hell from it...glorious.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:
Well, Char, to be fair, you did just get a large number of psychic powers.

Yeah, that makes it sting less, I guess. I still feel bad for my Lower Tier brothers. But, to be fair, the Orks *did* just get an "update" to Ghazghull, if you can actually call it that. I imagine that if BA get an update, it will probably be in the form of something similar to Angels of Death. Or they will get a revamp of their codex similar to how Space Wolves did (for better or worse).

No, Orks got a severe nerfing with the "new" Ghazghull supplement.

Calling it an "update" would be like calling the WD BA list from 4th edition an "update", instead the complete slap in the face that it truly was/is.

Well...in terms of "net gain" I suppose it is something of a nerf, in that they removed Green Tide and the ghaz detachment which was used once in a blue moon, but holistically the new Ghaz update did make a lot of things that were really bad, slightly more usable.

The Ghaz-curion is functional, as an army-sized formation. Certainly it's a buff to Ghazghkull himself (as there is now a reason an ork player may want to play Ghazghkull, whereas before there was no reason to run him). It's a buff to the Ork Warband formation (previously no reason ever to use it, now there is a small reason) a buff to most of the Red Waagh formations (now they have a lot less set wargear restrictions, so they're more functional) and a very slight buff to "biggest and da best" because now only the warlord must accept and issue challenges, not every character.

Orks still aren't good, and neeeeeeed updates to their core rules to make them not utter crap, but GW has stated you can still use Green Tide and now we just need ITC to legalize it in their alternate ruleset everyone seems to care about for some reason, and we won't have lost that. If that happens, new W!G will be a net positive, though not a nearly big enough one.


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Catachans vs Orks with new subfaction rules/formations for Catachan detachments and a new core codex for Orks would be the best thing ever.

Just sayin'. Especially if they did it as an "angels of death" style book for guard with the different regiments' rules and strike forces, to go along with the cadians. Orks could get rules for 'mob', 'speed kult', 'mek mob' and 'feral' style ork armies, and guard could get Vostroyan, Steel Legion, Mordian, Catachan and Tallarn rules for their model lines that are still sold.

/wishlist.

I know dozens of people that would instantly shell out 140$ for two books full of that. Myself included.

Eavy armor is a free upgrade for Flashgitz
Lootas are back on the elites section
All walkers become Mc and gmc
Mek tools can also heal Mc and gmc wounds
DoKS tools can provide fnp to Mc and gmc
Sag get very desirable random effete (for ex, 3 vortex for kraboom)
New sets for warbuggies, and new rules that make them cheaper
Pk gets a point reduction
Big Choppa gets an ap bonus
Mff and kff now cover units instead of models, and only effect orks and their allies

It's either that or...

The fantasy orruks get a dakka gun like unit, now their FINALLY is enough dakka between 40k and aos

Oh who am I kidding, there can never be enough dakka.

Off topic, but

 TedNugent wrote:
Orks still aren't good, and neeeeeeed updates to their core rules to make them not utter crap, but GW has stated you can still use Green Tide and now we just need ITC to legalize it in their alternate ruleset everyone seems to care about for some reason, and we won't have lost that. If that happens, new W!G will be a net positive, though not a nearly big enough one.

GW has not officially stated that Green Tide is legal. Random emails don't count. The Green Tide is deleted, or nothing has ever been deleted in the history of the game. Squats still exist and can be allied with Green Tide.

Just hoping for a mek gun formation so I don't need to use a 2nd CAD with my IA8 dredd mob CAD.

geargutz wrote:
Eavy armor is a free upgrade for Flashgitz
Lootas are back on the elites section
All walkers become Mc and gmc
Mek tools can also heal Mc and gmc wounds
DoKS tools can provide fnp to Mc and gmc
Sag get very desirable random effete (for ex, 3 vortex for kraboom)
New sets for warbuggies, and new rules that make them cheaper
Pk gets a point reduction
Big Choppa gets an ap bonus
Mff and kff now cover units instead of models, and only effect orks and their allies

It's either that or...

The fantasy orruks get a dakka gun like unit, now their FINALLY is enough dakka between 40k and aos

Oh who am I kidding, there can never be enough dakka.

Well, Flash Gitz sould come standart with a 4+. Lootas look good in Heavy support, so they don't compete with Tankbustas. But Flash Gitz shoul be moved into Elites. AP4 on the Big Chopa would be nice and not op.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Prior to the Apocalypse Warzone books(which are still in print but not really useful, as most of the non-Tyranid formations have either been republished or absorbed into their respective parent codices), GW didn't do Campaign books aside from the "Codex: Eye of Terror" book many years prior.

You've forgotten Codex: Armageddon from 2000.

Ah the memories. IG and orks there is what drew me to 40k in the first place.

16 years...Bejezus.

SO gave a look throw my ork codex Krakoom is the 6 of the Shokk Att Gun, Zzap is the zzap gun so my bet is grots will def be involved

 JimOnMars wrote:
Off topic, but

 TedNugent wrote:
Orks still aren't good, and neeeeeeed updates to their core rules to make them not utter crap, but GW has stated you can still use Green Tide and now we just need ITC to legalize it in their alternate ruleset everyone seems to care about for some reason, and we won't have lost that. If that happens, new W!G will be a net positive, though not a nearly big enough one.

GW has not officially stated that Green Tide is legal. Random emails don't count. The Green Tide is deleted, or nothing has ever been deleted in the history of the game. Squats still exist and can be allied with Green Tide.

I would disagree. The update was to give out a half assed decurion. The greentide just didn't fit into it.

Regarding that email. Coming from GW makes it GW approved. It specifically said to use the decurion with your old book. That shows how the Greentide still exists.

They could do the Octarius War with orks and nids with death watch involved. Two armies that need major revamps and a new marine faction. Could do well.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
They could do the Octarius War with orks and nids with death watch involved. Two armies that need major revamps and a new marine faction. Could do well.

Quick, someone email this to GW! They might listen!

 SaJeel wrote:
SO gave a look throw my ork codex Krakoom is the 6 of the Shokk Att Gun, Zzap is the zzap gun so my bet is grots will def be involved

I'm kinda thinking we might see a second Mek Gun set or a redone sprue.

The Kannon(Dakka dakka dakka), the Zzap gun(obvious), the Lobba (Kapow!), and a Shokk Attack Gun could be making an appearance as Big Gunz in plastic.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 SaJeel wrote:
SO gave a look throw my ork codex Krakoom is the 6 of the Shokk Att Gun, Zzap is the zzap gun so my bet is grots will def be involved

I'm kinda thinking we might see a second Mek Gun set or a redone sprue.

The Kannon(Dakka dakka dakka), the Zzap gun(obvious), the Lobba (Kapow!), and a Shokk Attack Gun could be making an appearance as Big Gunz in plastic.

That would be awesome, Mek Gunz with Shokk attack guns would be auto include in any army I run if it was a thing.

I dont think Ghazzy supplement was bad, but i do think it is let down by the fact that it is based on the Ork Codex. If you were to fix up the points costs and rules issues with the ork codex it would dramatically improve the ghazzy codex. Not saying it would be Eldar/SM/Tau/Necron level but it wouldnt be far from it. Personally i would like to see them address the issues with walkers in 7th edition, Orks have like a quarter of their codex invested in them so at the very least i would like to see:

Gorkanaught/Morkanaught made into super heavies OR Ramshackle on a 2+ (Pens become glances) and 'ere we go as a base rule.
Deff Dreads and Killa Kans both get Ramshackle on a 3+ and 5+ respectively as well as 'ere we go as a base rule.

I would also like to see both the dreads and kans able to be specialised more, at the moment it seems they are to much part assault part shooty but not really good at either.

I would also like to see the mob rule to be rewritten as on a 6+ they pass morale check (no other requirements), meaning ghazzy supplement would pass on a 4+, also add a nob banner bearer who boosts the army by +1 on the mob rule table. I like the idea of mob rule but its to unforgiving at the moment.

Dont get me wrong, there is a lot more that is needed to be done to the codex but that is a few things i would like to see.

Fezza