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If it needed to be remade, bringing it to more modern times would have been a way to do it.

Have the village turn into a small Mexican border town used by Cartels or human traffickers, and have them collect 'taxes' or force some of the villagers/kids to work for them as guides/mules/what ever. Have the corrupt Mexican Gov't refuse to help/be incapable of helping. Have the villagers send a person North who finds some sympathetic ex-SF type (maybe from 7th SFG who happens to have family in Mexico).

There were ways to remake this that did not include the silliness I see in the trailer.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


Make room for one more in the dakka dungeon

Please. I've been sent to re-education so many times the re-educators needed to be re-educated.


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 CptJake wrote:
If it needed to be remade, bringing it to more modern times would have been a way to do it.

Have the village turn into a small Mexican border town used by Cartels or human traffickers, and have them collect 'taxes' or force some of the villagers/kids to work for them as guides/mules/what ever. Have the corrupt Mexican Gov't refuse to help/be incapable of helping. Have the villagers send a person North who finds some sympathetic ex-SF type (maybe from 7th SFG who happens to have family in Mexico).

There were ways to remake this that did not include the silliness I see in the trailer.

This actually wouldn't make a horrible movie. I could totally see it. Local farmers south of the border bullied by mean Cartel types trafficking drugs. Some old DEA agents disillusioned with law and order. And in the end, all the cartel and most of the DEA guys are dead and the DEA guys realize they didn't really win a damn thing.

It totally works

 LordofHats wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


Make room for one more in the dakka dungeon

Please. I've been sent to re-education so many times the re-educators needed to be re-educated.


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 CptJake wrote:
If it needed to be remade, bringing it to more modern times would have been a way to do it.

Have the village turn into a small Mexican border town used by Cartels or human traffickers, and have them collect 'taxes' or force some of the villagers/kids to work for them as guides/mules/what ever. Have the corrupt Mexican Gov't refuse to help/be incapable of helping. Have the villagers send a person North who finds some sympathetic ex-SF type (maybe from 7th SFG who happens to have family in Mexico).

There were ways to remake this that did not include the silliness I see in the trailer.

This actually wouldn't make a horrible movie. I could totally see it. Local farmers south of the border bullied by mean Cartel types trafficking drugs. Some old DEA agents disillusioned with law and order. And in the end, all the cartel and most of the DEA guys are dead and the DEA guys realize they didn't really win a damn thing.

It totally works

And it would be a symbol of the Drug War in general.

Exactly. You should pitch this stuff Jake This is how the good stuff is born

 LordofHats wrote:
Exactly. You should pitch this stuff Jake This is how the good stuff is born

If I had the chance to pitch a movie, it would be based around SGT Hester (female Silver Star recipient from Iraq). Fantastic story that would check all the Hollywood blocks, and a story deserving of being told.

I would be fine with a modern look considering we have had at least already had a western retelling (Magnificent Seven), anime retelling (Samurai 7), and a CGI retelling (A Bugs Life).

Four Brothers was a modern retelling of The Sons of Katie Elder if someone wants a more recent take on an older Western.

Considering this is just a trailer it is hard to say whether this will be decent or not at this point but there are some good names behind it.

Of course the the original Magnificent Seven is 56 years old and the target audience wasn't even born for almost another 30 years.

I'm getting somewhat of a lone ranger vibe from the trailer. Big set pieces and strong caricatures. I'll probably see it if for no other reason than to try to encourage Hollywood to keep making westerns. If I get an enjoyable couple of hours out of it all the better.

 CptJake wrote:
If it needed to be remade, bringing it to more modern times would have been a way to do it.

Have the village turn into a small Mexican border town used by Cartels or human traffickers, and have them collect 'taxes' or force some of the villagers/kids to work for them as guides/mules/what ever. Have the corrupt Mexican Gov't refuse to help/be incapable of helping. Have the villagers send a person North who finds some sympathetic ex-SF type (maybe from 7th SFG who happens to have family in Mexico).

This sounds like an A-Team episode.

That's not a criticism.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
How dare they remake a remake!

The original The Magnificent Seven may be a remake of Seven Samurai, but both films are still timeless classic of cinema. It's not the first classic western film that was a take on a Kurosawa film.


The problem is that Hollyweird has a tendency to butcher classic films because of a lack of originality. But on the plus side, the classics will be remembered while these "remakes" and "reimaginings" will be long forgotten.


And that's all I'm going to say on the matter, since I'm not going to take the bait.

To be fair, Jurassic World was a pretty good flick, and more or less a reimagining. I also enjoyed the hell out of the 2011 Thing, which was a prequel to Kurt Russel's film. I'm not normally a fan of remakes, but if done right, they can be a lot of fun.

Both of which are remakes of the incomparably better 1950s The Thing From Another World. *

*The first "sci fi" movie to have a respectable director and budget by the way.

Excuse me, but I will go on any stage and declare John Carpenter's classic to be the penultimate film so many memorable moments: the guy who gets his arms eaten by the stomach, the detached head that they all just kind of stare at. It was one of the great films of the 80's

I love both films. I love the 50's version on it's own merits. I also love the Carpenter version because of the sheer level of paranoia among the crew of the ice station. I'm talkin' about along the lines of "I don't trust a single one of you fethers!". When I first saw it in the theatre, I wasn't even sure (until the blood test) that McReady was still Human!

I have no problem with prequels if they are well done and true to the original material. The 2011 film was true to Carpenter's material, and a fun film. The female lead character being the only survivor was a nice surprise, but how do we REALLY know she is still her? If she was a Thing, that would make Child's and McReady's sacrifice (in the Carpenter film) in vain.

Cue grimdark.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


Make room for one more in the dakka dungeon

Please. I've been sent to re-education so many times the re-educators needed to be re-educated.


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 CptJake wrote:
If it needed to be remade, bringing it to more modern times would have been a way to do it.

Have the village turn into a small Mexican border town used by Cartels or human traffickers, and have them collect 'taxes' or force some of the villagers/kids to work for them as guides/mules/what ever. Have the corrupt Mexican Gov't refuse to help/be incapable of helping. Have the villagers send a person North who finds some sympathetic ex-SF type (maybe from 7th SFG who happens to have family in Mexico).

There were ways to remake this that did not include the silliness I see in the trailer.

This actually wouldn't make a horrible movie. I could totally see it. Local farmers south of the border bullied by mean Cartel types trafficking drugs. Some old DEA agents disillusioned with law and order. And in the end, all the cartel and most of the DEA guys are dead and the DEA guys realize they didn't really win a damn thing.

It totally works

There was actually a version of that in the 80's titled, " The Annihilators", where a group of ex soldiers go to a town to help clean it up because a friend of theirs was killed by the gang terrorizing the place.

 Frazzled wrote:
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Excuse me, but I will go on any stage and declare John Carpenter's classic to be the penultimate film so many memorable moments: the guy who gets his arms eaten by the stomach, the detached head that they all just kind of stare at. It was one of the great films of the 80's

I remember seeing it and just laughing and laughing. People kept looking at me. Thats not terror, or horror. Its just lazy.
Halloween was much, much better.

The Thing is basically a crossover body horror/SF action film, and contains elements of black humour.

The scene where the head rips itself off the body, sprouts legs and eyes, and scuttles out the door, is highly memorable for the guy watching all this who says, "You got to be fething kidding, man!"

Back to the point of remakes. There are supposedly only 12 basic plot outlines in fiction and every new novel/film is a variation on one of them. I'm not sure I agree, but there is a degree of fact in the idea.

However, there is a difference between making a film that riffs a variation on a plot, for example My Fair Lady riffing n Pygmalion, and a film that remakes an existing film more or less scene for scene.

Watch A Fistful Of Dollars, and then watch Yojimbo. Watch The Grudge and then watch Juon.

This film looks like a slight re-imagining of the original western, which as we all know was a re-imagining of The Seven Samurai. There probably are more differences between all three films, they aren't straight remakes.

Who is calling this cast "diverse for the sake of diversity"? I'll always be the first to call out SJW bs, but people have got to learn how Hollywood works.

The main character is black now because Denzel Washington is a mega-star, and it's a director he's worked with on 2 other films (and a Training Day reunion, as Ethan Hawk is in this). They work well together, and that's why this is being made. Hollywood wants to make money, and will do so in ways that reduce risk and (hopefully) ensure success.

 Frazzled wrote:
Achilles is the opposite of Superman. He is a vainglorious murderer out only for himself, who gains fame by stabbing people to death.
Superman does literally none of that.

You're right. He just breaks their necks.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
I was comparing them as in: invulnerable with inly one weakness

Objection! Superman is weak to Kryptonite and magic.

And Batman, but it doesn't count as a weakness if everyone shares it.

I'm looking forward to this, trailer looks awesome, song sounds awesome! I'd also watch CptJake's remake, actually, that sounds pretty darn good too.

Actually Kryptonite weakens Superman while magic does not. Superman is just that he is as susceptible to magic as anyone, but it doesn't weaken him like that green ore does.

Yes. My understanding wasn't that Superman is weak to magic, he just isn't impervious to it like he is most everything else.

And of course, Batman is magic

Some remakes are bad ideas because the film was a product of its time, or because the film was perfectly well told the first time around. Something like The French Connection, for instance, would just make no sense as a remake because the themes have dated (cops as working class, crims as upper crust doesn’t resonate today), and the action scenes, especially the car chase, which amazed audiences at the time – in today’s market they’d almost be seen as gritty and low key.

But something like the Magnificent Seven is perfect for a remake. The concept is to take some great stars and character actors and stick them in a straight forward Western, then you sit back and wait for the awesome to happen.

There’s nothing wrong with doing that again. In fact it makes a lot of sense to do that every 20 odd years, with a new who’s who of Hollywood each time. Probably what’s weird is that they didn’t do this 20 years ago – imagine Harrison Ford, Kurt Russell and whoever else. Would have been an awesome movie

 LordofHats wrote:
Yes. My understanding wasn't that Superman is weak to magic, he just isn't impervious to it like he is most everything else.

And of course, Batman is magic

Well, I mean when you are impervious at a godlike level to nearly everything but the same as a normal human to magic, that kind of makes it a weakness.

Perhaps Batman is Patroclus to Superman's Achilles.

 sebster wrote:
Some remakes are bad ideas because the film was a product of its time, or because the film was perfectly well told the first time around. Something like The French Connection, for instance, would just make no sense as a remake because the themes have dated (cops as working class, crims as upper crust doesn’t resonate today), and the action scenes, especially the car chase, which amazed audiences at the time – in today’s market they’d almost be seen as gritty and low key.

But something like the Magnificent Seven is perfect for a remake. The concept is to take some great stars and character actors and stick them in a straight forward Western, then you sit back and wait for the awesome to happen.

There’s nothing wrong with doing that again. In fact it makes a lot of sense to do that every 20 odd years, with a new who’s who of Hollywood each time. Probably what’s weird is that they didn’t do this 20 years ago – imagine Harrison Ford, Kurt Russell and whoever else. Would have been an awesome movie

Fair points. While not being able to see the Youtube I thought-oh this is BS, MS was a great movie. But so was Seven Samurai, and Battle Beyond the Stars. The format is merely a vehicle to showcase a band of separate actors who can then act righteously badass. Same thing for Dirty Dozen/SS/Gof the G format. Get good actors and a good director and you're good to go.

 sebster wrote:
Some remakes are bad ideas because the film was a product of its time, or because the film was perfectly well told the first time around. Something like The French Connection, for instance, would just make no sense as a remake because the themes have dated (cops as working class, crims as upper crust doesn’t resonate today), and the action scenes, especially the car chase, which amazed audiences at the time – in today’s market they’d almost be seen as gritty and low key.

But something like the Magnificent Seven is perfect for a remake. The concept is to take some great stars and character actors and stick them in a straight forward Western, then you sit back and wait for the awesome to happen.

There’s nothing wrong with doing that again. In fact it makes a lot of sense to do that every 20 odd years, with a new who’s who of Hollywood each time. Probably what’s weird is that they didn’t do this 20 years ago – imagine Harrison Ford, Kurt Russell and whoever else. Would have been an awesome movie

This formula is used all the time in movies, but you more frequently see it in B-movies now-a-days. A Big budget remake of the same formula is the "new" bit.