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 General Kroll wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

Black Templar players have a reason to be peeved, as they got nothing at all. (Oooooo, some Warlord Traits!)

As one of 40-something 2nd founding chapters I'm not sure why they would expect to get anything. No one's complaining that the Nova Marines or Fists Exemplar didn't get anything.

It's a big step down from when they had their own codex.

I've got to be honest, I was suprised the Black Templars didn't get their own decurion that allowed them to take Crusader squads. Maybe they will get their own expansion at some point.

I can see that happening but I doubt it will.

I kind of feel like this shouldn't be a supplement, and that Codex: Space Marines should either just be huge and incorporate this in the first place, or needs to go back to a more supplement per chapter approach (possibly reintegrating Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves), but not at current supplement prices of course.

The psychic disciplines are ridiculous; these should be added to the core rulebook as there is nothing to them that makes them uniquely Astartes, other than a few mentions of Mars in the Technomancy discipline.


It's also kind of hard to justify this book in the first place; either Codex: Space Marines includes multiple chapters or it doesn't, but this seems to suggest that you're supposed to buy two books to play any chapter, this would be fine if supplements were reasonably cheap but that is not the case at all.

We badly need to get back to the old style of Codex: Space Marines as a basic foundation, with small chapter-specific supplements released on top of it, possibly as a single combined release of the core book that's mostly common fluff, rules, basic units and formations. Then supplements that add the unique background, characters, units (if any), formations, detachments and so-on. Then get Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves back into the fold, possibly Grey Knights (not sure).

In other words, loyalist marines needs to be one big release, possibly spreading supplements across several weeks if there are some models to go with them, but the whole thing needs to be planned and developed as a single entity to eliminate marine factions having disparate levels of strength.

Chaos should get similar treatment, even if it's fewer supplements on top of its main book (though I'd like to see a combined CSM and Daemons release, with supplements that build on one or both as appropriate). Other armies should too if they have the scope for it, Eldar certainly do, Orks probably, Imperial Guard could and so-on.


But yeah; I don't really like the idea of this book, it has some okay additions but in general it just makes problems with 40k worse, and further widens the gap between chapters who don't seem to get any attention, I can only imagine how furious Black Templars players are if they bought both books hoping Angels of Death would give them more useful options to play with. Templars aren't even a codex army, so they're absolutely screaming out for a proper supplement, not an afterthought in a combined one that doesn't do anything for them.

 Haravikk wrote:
I kind of feel like this shouldn't be a supplement, and that Codex: Space Marines should either just be huge and incorporate this in the first place, or needs to go back to a more supplement per chapter approach (possibly reintegrating Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves), but not at current supplement prices of course.

The psychic disciplines are ridiculous; these should be added to the core rulebook as there is nothing to them that makes them uniquely Astartes, other than a few mentions of Mars in the Technomancy discipline.


It's also kind of hard to justify this book in the first place; either Codex: Space Marines includes multiple chapters or it doesn't, but this seems to suggest that you're supposed to buy two books to play any chapter, this would be fine if supplements were reasonably cheap but that is not the case at all.

We badly need to get back to the old style of Codex: Space Marines as a basic foundation, with small chapter-specific supplements released on top of it, possibly as a single combined release of the core book that's mostly common fluff, rules, basic units and formations. Then supplements that add the unique background, characters, units (if any), formations, detachments and so-on. Then get Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves back into the fold, possibly Grey Knights (not sure).

In other words, loyalist marines needs to be one big release, possibly spreading supplements across several weeks if there are some models to go with them, but the whole thing needs to be planned and developed as a single entity to eliminate marine factions having disparate levels of strength.

Chaos should get similar treatment, even if it's fewer supplements on top of its main book (though I'd like to see a combined CSM and Daemons release, with supplements that build on one or both as appropriate). Other armies should too if they have the scope for it, Eldar certainly do, Orks probably, Imperial Guard could and so-on.


But yeah; I don't really like the idea of this book, it has some okay additions but in general it just makes problems with 40k worse, and further widens the gap between chapters who don't seem to get any attention, I can only imagine how furious Black Templars players are if they bought both books hoping Angels of Death would give them more useful options to play with. Templars aren't even a codex army, so they're absolutely screaming out for a proper supplement, not an afterthought in a combined one that doesn't do anything for them.

It would make sense for marines to use one book with supplements for the various 1st founding chapters. But I would say the likes of the Grey Knights and Space Wolves should remain seperate as they are so different to the norm.