Total War Warhammer "Collect the miniatures" (GW site cross promotion)

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**shinros**

Considering CA do "historical" games it would not surprise me if CA end up doing an end times or AOS campaign. Since the old world is part of a timeline. To me personally I don't think it's a bad idea what GW are doing they are getting people to buy single models of their favorite lords and units not getting them into wargaming. Now if they get into the war gaming aspect? That's a plus but I doubt that's the objective of the cross promotion in my opinion.

CA I want to save the world with nagash. Nagash was the hero the Warhammer World needed, and probably the one they deserved, but not the one that they wanted so I want to change history.

**Yodhrin**

Bull0 wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The topic is about GW cross promotion, I'd say basing a PC game on a table top world you just killed is a pretty big failure in the context of cross promotion.

Oh, so it's another topic complaining about the end times and age of sigmar? OK. Yay. Can't wait.

Oh, so it's another topic where Bull0 complains that people have different opinions than him and dare to express them in public? OK. Yay. Can't wait.

**Baron Klatz**

Unfortunately the modding legal limits stop any mods of AoS, 40k or anything else not old world related. The next two expansions are also only about expanding said old world so no End Times or AoS there either.

They do acknowledge them in the game, though. One victory poster that appears after crushing an enemy army says their racial memory will be scarred with this defeat until the End Times and beyond. (The racial memory was brought up in AoS when the Skaven encountered the Seraphon and instinctively knew to fear them)

An AoS:TW would be aces, though. Probably be several decades before we see that possibility and even then a TW game able to handle multiple worlds would do 40k first.

Also, are you trying to imply Nagash wasn't the hero? If less people got in his way and just did what the god-devouring-master-of-all-undeath wanted them to do then chaos would've been stopped dead in their tracks!

**shinros**

Baron Klatz wrote:
Unfortunately the modding legal limits stop any mods of AoS, 40k or anything else not old world related. The next two expansions are also only about expanding said old world so no End Times or AoS there either.

They do acknowledge them in the game, though. One victory poster that appears after crushing an enemy army says their racial memory will be scarred with this defeat until the End Times and beyond. (The racial memory was brought up in AoS when the Skaven encountered the Seraphon and instinctively knew to fear them)

An AoS:TW would be aces, though. Probably be several decades before we see that possibility and even then a TW game able to handle multiple worlds would do 40k first.

Also, are you trying to imply Nagash wasn't the hero? If less people got in his way and just did what the god-devouring-master-of-all-undeath wanted them to do then chaos would've been stopped dead in their tracks!

Ah I should of been more clear Nagash is a hero but he could not achieve his objective as you said but with this game you can change fate and history.

My vampire counts already saved the world and stopped the chaos invasion

**Baron Klatz**

Oh I know what you meant, was just having a laugh.

Total war is all about ripping out the pages of history and scribbling in your own fanfic.

**H.B.M.C.**

Baron Klatz wrote:
Unfortunately the modding legal limits stop any mods of AoS, 40k or anything else not old world related.

I very much doubt that. If someone wants to make a Transformers mod for this, or add the Care Bears as another faction, they will.

Personally an End Times expansion would be pretty cool.

**Baron Klatz**

Oh, I mean via official workshop modding. The unofficial(and very buggy) stuff can do whatever they want as long as they can avoid getting into trouble.

**Taaloc**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Bull0 wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Bull0 wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The topic is about GW cross promotion, I'd say basing a PC game on a table top world you just killed is a pretty big failure in the context of cross promotion.

Oh, so it's another topic complaining about the end times and age of sigmar? OK. Yay. Can't wait.
Quit yer whinging. This is a topic about GW cross promotion and you expect people not to talk about the fact GW killed WHFB shortly before TW:Warhammer came out?

I feel like it's kinda rule #1 of cross promotion, actually make sure product X still exists when product Y is released.

Would it have been less of a "marketing fail" to not do the cross-promotion at all? The implication is since we've had end times and TW:W is set pre-end times it would make more sense / be less of a "fail" to not advertise the GW site to people who play TW:W. Which seems monumentally stupid. So in practise, it's just an empty moan about AoS. Great, can't get enough of that.
Ok since you can't stop your whining, lets look at the other fails in it.

There's no link to the GW site or the miniatures anywhere on the Total War: Warhammer website. There's even a picture of the GW logo that for some reason doesn't link to the GW site. In fact it's the only logo that DOESN'T link to another page, the Sega logo links to Sega, the CA logo links to CA, the TW logo links to TW, the ESRB logo links to the ESRB sega certification page. The GW logo.... is just a picture that doesn't link anywhere.

Fail.

There's no link on the Steam page to the GW site or the miniatures.

Fail.

They didn't even bother labelling the models on the GW website to match what is in the game (Karl Franz? No, that's a "Freeguild General on a Griffon"). If you Google Karl Franz, the GW site doesn't come up first, it wouldn't come up at all if it weren't for the legacy WHFB URL still containing the name "Karl Franz" even though the page itself doesn't mention it anywhere.

Fail.

The link on the GW homepage was only there for a very short time.

Fail.

I'd be interested to know if there's links within the game itself to the GW website. I'm gonna hazard a guess and say "no".

Fail (pending someone telling me there is links in the game itself )

EDIT: My mistake, I just discovered on the Total War homepage there is a link to GW, there just isn't one on the Total War: Warhammer page.

There's also one in the game launcher.

**Bull0**

Yodhrin wrote:
Bull0 wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The topic is about GW cross promotion, I'd say basing a PC game on a table top world you just killed is a pretty big failure in the context of cross promotion.

Oh, so it's another topic complaining about the end times and age of sigmar? OK. Yay. Can't wait.

Oh, so it's another topic where Bull0 complains that people have different opinions than him and dare to express them in public? OK. Yay. Can't wait.

Zing! You should be on TV. In all seriousness, no, there's a time and a place but this didn't feel like it, and Yodh you are WAY more of a repetitive moaning bore than I am. Pot, actually way blacker than the kettle.

@AllSeeingSkink those are all fair reasons to criticise the marketing team, but "Not using their time machine to stop the end times so that the cross-promotion with TW:W works better" wasn't. You found valid points, yay.

You'd think people salty about end times would be pleased that they now have what is probably the best WFB computer adaptation to date, but hey, they're still finding ways to be salty with how ineffectively it's marketing a miniatures game they no longer like! Amazing. Never change.

**Fayric**

People get angry that GW is trying to cash in on a concept they quite dramaticly announced they dont want anything to do with.

But I think a good point of this cross promotion is simply that people keep saying total war dont have anything to do with AoS (and TW players that dont know much about the table top will most likely hear about it) but here GW show there is still a connection.

I think the few people that get curious on GW from the TW game would be very happy to find an easy way to find the relevant models first.
Nowadays, even veteran players dont have the easiest of times navigating around the new factions and unit names.

**H.B.M.C.**

Baron Klatz wrote:
The unofficial(and very buggy) stuff...

Unofficial and very buggy? You are aware that all mods are unofficial (those that aren't cease being mods, really), and that you just generalised all mods as 'very buggy'?

**His Master's Voice**

Fayric wrote:
I think the few people that get curious on GW from the TW game would be very happy to find an easy way to find the relevant models first.

Well, they can click the banner in the game launcher that will take them directly to the store page.

**RoninXiC**

Ive installed and tested a dozend mods and all of them exept one deliver what they claim to deliver. 0 bugs or any other problems.

But that really cannot be the topic of this thread, right?

**Baron Klatz**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Baron Klatz wrote:
The unofficial(and very buggy) stuff...

Unofficial and very buggy? You are aware that all mods are unofficial (those that aren't cease being mods, really), and that you just generalised all mods as 'very buggy'?

Yeah, bad form on my part. Shouldn't have generalised all mods like that.

As for unofficial, I admit to not knowing alot about it but since they're allowing the use of the steam workshop and support the mods that allow unrestricted regional occupations wouldn't that make them in a sense official mods compared to others?

**Azazelx**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
BrookM wrote:
It will be available for pre-order on the 18th of June.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NL/Lost-Patrol-EN

Excitement successfully contained.

It seems like a simple but decent little game that I missed out on first time around. I'll probably pick it up if the price is fair, but it's obviously not a big deal like the others have been.

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Rihgu wrote:

But honestly, if somebody had told me that you Total Warhammer was based on a tabletop game and explained the whole modeling aspect, etc. I'd be fascinated, but as soon as they told me I'd need 4 boxes of dwarf warriors and 2 boxes of quarrellers and 2 cannon kits to get anywhere close to the size of a battle I'd play in the games, I'd be extremely, extremely wary of it. Of course, that didn't seem to have stopped me.

Well put. They're much more likely to get more people to try out AoS after playing the game than WHFB. Based on modelling, painting time, and of course, cost.

**H.B.M.C.**

Baron Klatz wrote:
As for unofficial, I admit to not knowing alot about it but since they're allowing the use of the steam workshop and support the mods that allow unrestricted regional occupations wouldn't that make them in a sense official mods compared to others?

No more than having all your mods coded to work with the Nexus mod programs (Google that if you don't know what it is - but Nexus is where you'll find a lot of Elder Scrolls/Fallout/Witcher mods).

Steam Workshop is just a platform. People can still make what they want, but there's more curation* involved and possibly some restrictions on the types of mods.

*Not that Valve know the first thing about curation.

**TedNugent**

I've relied on mods to fix Elder Scrolls games, which are buggy by default.

In fact, I'm pretty sure Bethesda relies on mods to fix their games too.

Actually, my biggest problems with Oblivion and Skyrim were related to several broken game mechanics being fixed, but whatevs.

Incidentally there's a great Warhammer mod for Medieval 2 Total War called Rage of the Dark Gods. If you can get past the installation process (there's a tutorial online that I can locate that helped me), it's really fantastic. The unit selection/race selection beats the pants of TW;W.

**Ankhalagon**

TedNugent wrote:
Incidentally there's a great Warhammer mod for Medieval 2 Total War called Rage of the Dark Gods. If you can get past the installation process (there's a tutorial online that I can locate that helped me), it's really fantastic. The unit selection/race selection beats the pants of TW;W.

Yeah, that mod is quite good. I played that one till the old machine died.

**Psychopomp**

Azazelx wrote:
They're much more likely to get more people to try out AoS after playing the game than WHFB. Based on modelling, painting time, and of course, cost.

Actually, based on modelling, painting time, and of course, cost, I think they're much more likely to see people go get another AAA video game and a handful of DLC/indie games instead of dropping $90 on a single character mini from the PC game. The PC game that gives you all the ranked units of all the armies for the $60 admission fee, it should be noted. And further armies are likely to hit through DLC. If you can buy the entire range of Chaos Warriors in Total War: Warhammer for, let's make it expensive DLC and say $15, why a non-wargaming PC gamer get into Age of Sigmar Bloodskullz Fyrekaos (or whatever they're called now, I haven't been keeping up)?

**Zywus**

Azazelx wrote:
They're much more likely to get more people to try out AoS after playing the game than WHFB. Based on modelling, painting time, and of course, cost.

Yes, obviously they will be more likely to try out a game whose lore and rules have barely anything to do with the world or play-style of the computergame