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DonkeyCannon wrote:NECRON WARRIORS SHOULD NOT BE 20 POINTS. Yes they get back up but...they cannot regroup if below half strength, they are too fragile in combat. A sweeping advance can take out 300 points like nothing. Necron warriors should be 15 points. Or keep them at 18 points and raise their initiative to 3.

For the most part, I don't think necrons are particualarly under priced. They have weaknesses to counter balance their strengths. I think what is under priced is the res orb that lets them ignore their weaknesses. I'd like to see it go away all together (along with IG leader ship bubble, orc mob rules, and other things that eliminate the intended weaknesses of particular armies) but i would settle for it just being rediclously expensive. I think if the res orb itself was 50 points, you would still see it in most necron armies. That alone shows just how stupidly powerful it is for its price.

Drop pods are another thing thats way under priced. Why would you ever take a rhino when you could have a pod for less points?

Butterfly_Tyrant wrote:necron wraiths, S6 I6 3+INV 12"move.

Hardly underpriced at 41 points with a max unit size of 3 and no way of cutting through armor. If anything, wraiths could use a boost. They're great, but against MEQs they can get into trouble.

MagickalMemories wrote:

snooggums wrote:

Posted By DonkeyCannon on 05/18/2006 6:53 PM
Leadership 10 has a 1 in 6 chance of failing.

1 in 12, not 1 in 6. You don't fail on a 10.

Basing it on a straight 10 Ld, you're both wrong. If we're rounding to the closest whole #, then Donkeycannon is right.
They fail on 2 in 11.
You cannot roll a "1" on 2d6, and they fail on 11 and 12.
That comes up to a little bit over 1.09 in 6.

Holy crap your math is so incredibly wrong. There are 36 different outcomes when rolling 2D6. To fail a leadership test of 10, there are exactly three outcomes: 5-6, 6-5, and 6-6. Three out of 36 is a 1 in 12 chance of failing.

I can't believe this has not be stated. The most under priced unit in the entire game is the dakka dakka hive tyrant. for as little as 126pts you get a fearless, multi wound, high toughness, creature with a fearless aura of 12 inches, who puts out 18' fire power equivalent to a full squad of rapid firing tau warriors and has very decent hth abilities.... The winged dakka dakka rant is worse but much more expensive.=.

Wow!

Almost a 2 year old thread!

I started to read if from the beginning, and I was thinking that this stuff is not undercosted anymore (wraithlords and death company, etc.).

What I found odd is that no one said anything about Falcons. Shows you how much they improved.

40kenthusiast wrote:On the one hand, its necromancy...on the other hand, I burn to speak the truth!

Scarabs. If this isn't self evident, you've never seen them used well.

truth. of course, scarabs didn't have turbo boost when their points were written. i'm apprehensive about the idea of a new necron codex cause i know these guys are gonna get nerfed.

Pods are pretty damn cheap... until they show up in turn 5 or 6... then they are really expensive...

True. As for Scarabs, they Demolished my Reaver Titan in HTH. Look out in Apoc games 4 those Bad Boyz.......

DP's are the cheapest units in game for what they do, understanding above quote.

Blackmoor wrote:Wow!

Almost a 2 year old thread!

I started to read if from the beginning, and I was thinking that this stuff is not undercosted anymore (wraithlords and death company, etc.).

What I found odd is that no one said anything about Falcons. Shows you how much they improved.

The thing with wraithlords is you have to include the cost of having some
kind of psyker put on the table just to babysit them.

Blackmoor wrote:Wow!

Almost a 2 year old thread!

I started to read if from the beginning, and I was thinking that this stuff is not undercosted anymore (wraithlords and death company, etc.).

What I found odd is that no one said anything about Falcons. Shows you how much they improved.

It’s funny how it works on the internet, isn’t it? There’s always something that’s is utterly hated and completely underpriced… for around six months before people start playing against it and learning its limitations. Of course, there is stuff that really is underpriced but the fact that so many items come and go from these kinds of lists indicates the problem isn’t as bad as the internet would have you believe.

If you think this is hilarious, you should follow MMORPG
forums sometime. Overpower, underpower discussions go
on forever and ever into flame war territory until a patch
starts up a brand new discussions and a brand new batch
of forum bans.

Dark Eldar warrior squad with 2 darklances. 2 lance weapons for 100 points. If I had the fantasy system of unlimited troops, warrior squads would be over the top.

Lelith Hesperex for 90 points is also crazy

Storm boys I guess.

My voice is for the Falcon. A tank that is 1 in 12 to knock it outa the sky for each time you actually hit it, can drop troops, and its Pulse Laser isnt something MC's and AV12 or below can sneeze at. Not to mention the potential crazy abuse of Tank Shock rules. I've had games where its tank shocked more squads into breaking and running off the table then I've killed with it shooting. Go ahead, shake it. with 36" of possible movement and Skimmer rules, it'll be able to shock all game long most often. I cant think of another unit that'll soak up that much firepower and still be so effective in its role. Its only downside is it cant quite pop real tanks on its own (but the Fire Dragons it carries CAN!!!) unless it gets behind and flanks the crap out of things.

I suppose the tau hammerheads and the like are similar, but I dont think I've seen Fire Dragon equivalents popping out of them.