New Warhammer Quest - Shadows Over Hammerhal

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**ph34r**

This is interesting. I liked the variety of models in Silver Tower. I will probably buy this just for the terrain and enemy models.

**silent25**

spiralingcadaver wrote:
I'm expecting the same hero models, but am curious if they're going to go the silver tower route and do 2 sprues of some basic monopose guys, or repackage existing minis.

Also, over on BGG, someone pointed out the obvious, which is that that high-collared looking guy in the middle background is probably the boss... does anyone recognize what that might be?

Good catch. That might be the Nurgle villain, hough too clean and healthy looking. Might be the overall mastermind.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

I'm thinking it'll be purely Order protagonists in this one - not much room for a Chaos worshipper, no?

**Lord Kragan**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I'm thinking it'll be purely Order protagonists in this one - not much room for a Chaos worshipper, no?

Would be nice to see order barbarians. Or any other kind of barbarians that doesn't fall into the ranks of chaos tbh.

**VeteranNoob**

CMLR wrote:
I think you are missing something important here: this is still a direct answer to the Season of War campaing.

So, if we actually manage to organize us as community (HA), we could define future releases with how we play the campaings; should order players play less matches? should those players ask for borrowed Death or Destruction armies?

Yes, I'm asking for us to rigger the results, but as a mainly Lizardmen/Seraphon player, I want to see much more stuff for Death and Destruction. And getting armies for them right now with SC!s and boxed bundles is quite easy and accesible.

Now, I'm pretty sure there will be at least one big new model for a boss fight. I mean, what dungeon crawler dosen't have one?

Sure, they could add a Slaughterbrute or Chimera for that, but I'm sure there is a new model on the way.

Also, the Silver Tower also had blues, brimestones, spider-goblins, two skaven assassins, and some familiars that did appeared on the cover.

BTW, remember who's at the bottom of Silver Tower cover, and Hammerhall has one face at the bottom too, maybe just a sculpture, maybe a new Chaos Lord.

The only thing that worries me is: will this replace the current Warhammer Quest? I haven't got the chance to grab my own copy yet, It would be a shame if they discontinue Silver Tower ...

It's another self-contained game. "For those of you who have not played Warhammer Quest yet, give Silver Tower a go – it’s a great game and packed with loads of great models too (cough*all-the-heroes-for-your-new-Tzeentch-army*cough)." Warhammer Community/Live will have more details as we get closer. BUT...as some stores still have stock of WQ maybe it won't have another print run for some time.

**str00dles1**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
In a way, I'm kind of hoping this isn't fully compatible with Silver Tower.

Silver Tower is certainly a laugh, and good game in its own right, but Warhammer Quest it ain't.

I want my Quest of old back - complete with the slightly mental 'did you know that nipping to the shops is far deadlier than any dungeon' roleplaying rules, and your traditional, non-randomised dungeon layouts.

And I don't think the Silver Tower rules are readily applicable to that gaming experience.

But if I don't get my Old Quest this time around? I certainly hope I get it in the nearish future. Once the Mortal Realms are more settled and civilised, there's got to be a near infinite number of fallen keeps, towers and dungeons to delve into, no)

Its going to be the same system as ST. Self contained yes, but your going to be able to use all the existing stuff, you just are not required to have it to play this game.

If you want Oldquest back, ebay will gladly sell you all of it for 2 grand

**Sabotage!**

Even if It is all reboxed models (admittedly I have none of those pictured, except some Acolytes from Silver Tower), and despite having only played a single game of Silver Tower (I really enjoyed it and want to play more), if the price is reasonable I will definitely pick this up. I thought Silver Tower was one of the best Dungeon Crawl board games I have ever played.....even missing a post-game campaign sequence.

**AndrewGPaul**

My hope would be to use the same rules (so you can swap heroes and perhaps baddies about), but for the campaign to work completely differently. Silver Tower's "choose your own adventure" campaign works thematically, but a different setting should, IMO, work differently.

**decker_cky**

I hope they make dying mean something.

**Starfarer**

Maybe it's because I'm not familiar with the new lore for AoS, but the setting for this one sounds way cooler.

Personally, it doesn't bother me that there may not be new models for the heroes, as only a few from the original set were very appealing. I mean with being able to take any chapters from the range you want, I'm just going to get the chapters I want separately. The only thing that concerns me is the only enemies shown seem to be blightkings and tzeentch acolytes. Kind of a shame to stuff in the tzeentch guys and not do some nurgle equivalents or something else. I'd personally like to see Death stuff like the rumors hinted at. But maybe this will have a bigger variety of enemies due to the more diverse setting.

In any case I'm glad to see it coming and GW giving teasers this far out of releases. It means I'll actually start buying characters for it now, so I can have them painted and ready to go on release.

**Chikout**

It is pretty common knowledge that the time from sculpting to sale is usually about 2 years for GW. If this new game is in response to the success of silver tower then that is not nearly enough time to make a new range of models. So it seems likely that this will use old models.
Two of the chief complaints about silver tower was the thin campaign layer and the highly specific designs of the floor tiles.
If we can get a cheap box, priced as aggressively as gangs of commoragh, with some new less specific board tiles and a deeper campaign element, I will be pretty happy. Setting this game under a big city certainly makes that more of a possibility.

**JSG**

Why do people think that is the box art? Is it just because there's a WHQ logo? Personally I don't think it's the box art because...

1. All new heroes and villains! Even if you take that to mean old models that weren't in ST the Kairic Acolytes were.

2. The art is sub par. A fairly quick digital painting. Compare it to the awesome box art for ST and you'll see the difference in quality is vast. Judging by the composition I don't think this is meant to be box art the central figure is way off to one side and the others all seem on top of one another.

3. We usually see box art maybe a week before pre orders precisely because it shows us the contents.

This is a piece of filler art that they slapped a logo on to give us a flavour of whats to come. Pretty sure the head in the background is a sigmarine statue and I'd guess the game will drop in may like ST did.

Oh, and hello everyone.

*EDIT* Y'know the more I look at it the more I wonder. Maybe it is the boxart. If so I think that'd be a shame since it seems a bit half baked and WHQ deserves better. Still, here's hoping for new minis.

**privateer4hire**

Isn't there at least one Tzeentch guy on the right side of the art?

**H.B.M.C.**

JSG wrote:
Why do people think that is the box art?

Because:

1. It's a new piece of artwork.
2. It shows a scattered group of heroes from different factions working together, just like a Quest game.
3. It was first shown accompanying a news release about a new Quest game.

To assume otherwise would be a greater leap of logic.

**Eppelwhat**

silent25 wrote:
spiralingcadaver wrote:
I'm expecting the same hero models, but am curious if they're going to go the silver tower route and do 2 sprues of some basic monopose guys, or repackage existing minis.

Also, over on BGG, someone pointed out the obvious, which is that that high-collared looking guy in the middle background is probably the boss... does anyone recognize what that might be?

Good catch. That might be the Nurgle villain, hough too clean and healthy looking. Might be the overall mastermind.

I think it's a Stormcast. You can see the lightning bolt escutcheon on his chest, and his "mask" is very SCE.

There looks to be a hydra hanging out in the upper right.

And the lower right acolyte has been skewered by a random blade that didn't come from Lantern Dude.

**CMLR**

Starfarer wrote:
The only thing that concerns me is the only enemies shown seem to be blightkings and tzeentch acolytes. Kind of a shame to stuff in the tzeentch guys and not do some nurgle equivalents or something else.

There are Bloodreavers too, and the blog entry says that this is Chaos trying to reclaim a city builded at the en of the past Season of War, and this city happens to be on a realmgate portal and it exists in two realms at the same time.

Also there is a Sorcerer Lord, I doubt he is a betrayer joining the order heroes, tho, but who knows? he could be a Slaanesh follower incover or something.

JSG wrote:
Why do people think that is the box art? Is it just because there's a WHQ logo? Personally I don't think it's the box art because...

1. All new heroes and villains! Even if you take that to mean old models that weren't in ST the Kairic Acolytes were.

2. The art is sub par. A fairly quick digital painting. Compare it to the awesome box art for ST and you'll see the difference in quality is vast. Judging by the composition I don't think this is meant to be box art the central figure is way off to one side and the others all seem on top of one another.

3. We usually see box art maybe a week before pre orders precisely because it shows us the contents.

This is a piece of filler art that they slapped a logo on to give us a flavour of whats to come. Pretty sure the head in the background is a sigmarine statue and I'd guess the game will drop in may like ST did.

Oh, and hello everyone.

*EDIT* Y'know the more I look at it the more I wonder. Maybe it is the boxart. If so I think that'd be a shame since it seems a bit half baked and WHQ deserves better. Still, here's hoping for new minis.

1.- Blues, brimestones, deathrunners and suttlings didn't appeared on Silver Tower cover.

2.- I doubt it, they are fighiting on a far darker place in the cover. Also compare to the ST box and they look similar, even you've got a massive face right at the bottom, unde the WQ logo.

3.- No rule here, that's why they are doing Rumour Engines, and that's why we've got a glimpse for future Sigmarines.

Hey, how's it goin'?

**H.B.M.C.**

CMLR wrote:
1.- Blues, brimestones, deathrunners and suttlings didn't appeared on Silver Tower cover.

So what?

You know what the box art for Silver Tower did include? Four heroes from various factions working to fight a common foe... just like this artwork... and all those minis were in the box.

**CMLR**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
CMLR wrote:
1.- Blues, brimestones, deathrunners and suttlings didn't appeared on Silver Tower cover.

So what?

You know what the box art for Silver Tower did include? Four heroes from various factions working to fight a common foe... just like this artwork... and all those minis were in the box.

So what?

Not because they just showed 3 units on the cover ST got only those enemies. To assume that they will only release old models because the cover art is silly.

Again, half of the enemies from Silver Tower didn't appeared on the box art. They wouldn't spoil out eveything the box includes, at least this early.

**Baron Klatz**

Chikout wrote:
It is pretty common knowledge that the time from sculpting to sale is usually about 2 years for GW. If this new game is in response to the success of silver tower then that is not nearly enough time to make a new range of models. So it seems likely that this will use old models.
Two of the chief complaints about silver tower was the thin campaign layer and the highly specific designs of the floor tiles.
If we can get a cheap box, priced as aggressively as gangs of commoragh, with some new less specific board tiles and a deeper campaign element, I will be pretty happy. Setting this game under a big city certainly makes that more of a possibility.

That's partly how I feel as well. If they balance it out with more campaign depth and lore to make up for the lack of new models (which we're still unsure of) then I don't see much of an issue.

I'm wishing for two things with this:

1.That there are model releases before the game comes out(like the Tzeentch release)are geared for use in it so people who already purchased a new army can adapt it to be used fully in the game.

2. That the ST familiars get replaced with characterful city looters. I'd love to see thieves trying to take advantage of the city mayhem and you'd have to chase them down for useful items.

GW can even be cheeky and make a looter a Aelf in blue clothes with a huge loot bag over his shoulder as a shout-out to Golden Axe.

**Marxist artist**

CMLR wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
CMLR wrote:
1.- Blues, brimestones, deathrunners and suttlings didn't appeared on Silver Tower cover.

So what?

You know what the box art for Silver Tower did include? Four heroes from various factions working to fight a common foe... just like this artwork... and all those minis were in the box.

So what?

Not because they just showed 3 units on the cover ST got only those enemies. To assume that they will only release old models because the cover art is silly.

Again, half of the enemies from Silver Tower didn't appeared on the box art. They wouldn't spoil out eveything the box includes, at least this early.

I agree with you mate, the ones on the cover will be in , but think it's folly to believe there will be no other models in there.

**H.B.M.C.**

Marxist artist wrote:
CMLR wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
CMLR wrote:
1.- Blues, brimestones, deathrunners and suttlings didn't appeared on Silver Tower cover.

So what?

You know what the box art for Silver Tower did include? Four heroes from various factions working to fight a common foe... just like this artwork... and all those minis were in the box.

So what?

Not because they just showed 3 units on the cover ST got only those enemies. To assume that they will only release old models because the cover art is silly.

Again, half of the enemies from Silver Tower didn't appeared on the box art. They wouldn't spoil out eveything the box includes, at least this early.

I agree with you mate, the ones on the cover will be in , but think it's folly to believe there will be no other models in there.

I never said there wouldn't be other models in there.

You guys get how arguments/debates work, right? 'Cause so far you're demonstrating a distinct lack of knowledge/know-how in this particular arena.

**Joyboozer**

When do we get Warhammer Quest: Actual Real Warhammer Quest?

**Baron Klatz**

I can't imagine anytime soon. They still have 4 years of already planned releases with likely not much expected support for ST which changed when they saw how popular it was.

I'd guess a actual "Warhammer Quest: Mortal Realm Quests!" won't be seen until 5+ years.

Unless they release book supplements for that,minus models or terrain, instead. (I'd buy them all, though)

That's my guess, anyway.

**Chikout**

Joyboozer wrote:
When do we get Warhammer Quest: Actual Real Warhammer Quest?

This seems a lot closer honestly. Having it set under a city allows for the heroes to visit taverns, shops etc which was not really feasible when the heroes where supposed to be trapped in a silver tower.
My fever dream version of this game is that that art is not the cover of the game, but rather the cover of the role-playing book, which has a bunch of different heroes and enemies along with a rules for special locations, different items and all that fun stuff.

**Baron Klatz**

I'd praise Nurgle if he gave me fever dreams like that.

**Joyboozer**

But they already have all the miniatures available for warhammer quest in plastic, if they can churn out another AoS version based on the success using recycled minis, why not with actual Warhammer?

**Thargrim**

Well I hope that the heroes from the past set are compatible with this one. I don't mind putrid blightkings and recycled enemies. But for me more heroes is more important. I'm not overly happy with the options for female heroes and odd characters in the first iteration. If this is an expansion using recycled models and new tiles with the same rules but a much more interesting dungeon and progression then i'd be interested.

**General Kroll**

Clockpunk wrote:
Worse still, he was ALSO in Gorechosen...

No he wasn't.

streetsamurai wrote:Damn. Was excited, but now I'm prretty sure it will only be existing minis. Unless the rules for it are excellent (like the original WHQ rules were) this one is a pass

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General Kroll wrote:
I will be interested to see what they do with this. I always meant to pick up silver tower but never got around to it. The models in that were gorgeous, I would imagine, they would do something similar here. People over reacting about a single image long before this is even released need to calm down somewhat.

Do you really think that they will resculpt all these already existing minis? Cause it's obvious that this illustrations shows the content of the box, much like every board games GW released did.

I'm not going to assume anything at this point. They've said themselves the release is a fair way off. For all we know, the art shown here could be for the tie in app where you add in your existing models, like the one from Silver Tower. For all we know they don't have the sculpts for the new one finalised, or they could be tied in to a big release later in the year that they are keeping under wraps. Like how the Silver Tower stuff all tied into Tzeentch.

On the other hand, this could be a £35 release akin to Lost patrol, and Gorechosen, something to tick us over, and shift slow moving stock, in which case, it's no big deal but still probably going to be a fun game and a cheap way to pick up some great conversion fodder.

So you will forgive me if I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch over a pretty picture that confirms the square root of bugger all.

**H.B.M.C.**

Joyboozer wrote:
When do we get Warhammer Quest: Actual Real Warhammer Quest?

Probably never, given they blew up the The Old World so they could slap ™'s on everything.

Though I'd be happy with a robust (and escalating) campaign system like Old Quest.

**str00dles1**

Joyboozer wrote:
When do we get Warhammer Quest: Actual Real Warhammer Quest?

When you buy it on ebay.

Its never going to happen.

If you have a Ipad you can play it on there. Its basically the digital version of Oldquest. But besides that...

Or homebew extra stuff to get it closer to what you want. Boardgamegeek has many people doing that.

Theres just no way GW is going to release these 2 sets, then make a game that matches oldquest.