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GodDamUser wrote:One thing I did notice off about the CSM is some of their wargear options.. e.g.

Ammunition
Inferno bolts*..........................................................25 points
* Can be purchased for bolt pistols or boltguns only. Fighters
with the Mark of Tzeentch only.

The only models that can get marks are Specialists.. seems a bit pricey for a duder you are already using Cache for


Just FYI everyone on the Chaos Kill Team except for cultists get marks when you recruit them,

"The following special rule applies to all members of a Chaos Space Marines kill team, other than Chaos Cultists"

   
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GodDamUser wrote:
One thing I did notice off about the CSM is some of their wargear options.. e.g.

Ammunition
Inferno bolts*..........................................................25 points
* Can be purchased for bolt pistols or boltguns only. Fighters
with the Mark of Tzeentch only.

The only models that can get marks are Specialists.. seems a bit pricey for a duder you are already using Cache for


Can't everybody that isn't a cultist get a mark?

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 nurgle5 wrote:
GodDamUser wrote:One thing I did notice off about the CSM is some of their wargear options.. e.g.

Ammunition
Inferno bolts*..........................................................25 points
* Can be purchased for bolt pistols or boltguns only. Fighters
with the Mark of Tzeentch only.

The only models that can get marks are Specialists.. seems a bit pricey for a duder you are already using Cache for


Just FYI everyone on the Chaos Kill Team except for cultists get marks when you recruit them,

"The following special rule applies to all members of a Chaos Space Marines kill team, other than Chaos Cultists"


technically not with how it is written

it is RAI that they do, but is worded bafly
   
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GodDamUser wrote:


technically not with how it is written

it is RAI that they do, but is worded bafly


Perhaps the wording could have been clearer as there seems to be a surprising amount of confusion around it. But even RAW it looks apparent to me -- Every member of the Kill Team has the Marks of Chaos rule except cultists, every model with this rule picks a mark when you recruit them.

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Good news everybody, per this post it seems like we will get a digital version of the rules for sale today or tomorrow.

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why cant I play as kabalite warriors? only wyches? *sad panda*

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They said they are adding more armies, so I'd expect kabalites, Kroot, sisters of battle, to all be easy factions to crank out. They seem legitimately surprised at how well it's selling, Hell the faction bundles are selling out, and those are just boxes of models grouped together without a discount.

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 Grimgold wrote:
They said they are adding more armies, so I'd expect kabalites, Kroot, sisters of battle, to all be easy factions to crank out. They seem legitimately surprised at how well it's selling, Hell the faction bundles are selling out, and those are just boxes of models grouped together without a discount.

Gamesworkshop being surprised that a product line is doing well does not equate Gamesworkshop doing something to promote/expand/update that line. We all remember how surprised they where with Cannoness Veridyan selling out in under a day and yet we have yet to see any Sisters of Battle releases, or even a hint or teaser.

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Models are harder than rules, even if they hopped on plastic sisters after Cannoness Veridyan sold out it may be years before they see shelf space in stores.

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The game is a beginning....

It is not a limited release, per say. That is probably only the boxed set. I expect them to crank out a couple hundred thousand more units when they see it take off like a wildfire.

As with all things GW, they take a good idea and step on their Johnson. I honestly can't give them gaff about it, now in that they are actually making attempts and not trying to honestly !@#t on their customer base, as they have in the past couple of years. Knowing what I know about decision making, someone undershot the mark, and it was the "Safe call".

THIS game has so much potential that I am honestly feeling like I did when I bought my first box of 2d edition 40K, popped open the box and wet myself in the sheer number of things that came in it. THIS box- looks like the same feeling, but not as much stuff.

I have been waiting for this game since GW pulled that crap with the Inquisitor game.

As an addition to playing Only War, Black Crusade, Deathwatch, Rogue Trader- it is much the same as D and D figures does, and gives you an interesting modeling option for your RPG teams.

The future of this game is bright by the way, don't be discouraged with the stutter step beginnings.



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Looks like I have to pick up my rant from earlier. I had preordered from Wayland Games and I just received an email that they had to cancel my pre-order. Apparently not even they were aware the this was a limited release. So I guess I won't be giving GW any money then.

I still can't believe they thought it was a good idea to make a dedicated 40k skirmish game a limited release. Guess it was too much common sense for GW to handle.
They also said that GW told them "No more box sets will be produced". So much for those hoping they would produce more.

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Me too Roknar, what a pain in the bum.

I can't even reserve a copy at my local GW, because Reasons.

It's complete clowncar.

Why in the name of the Emp can they not do some basic market research?
   
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That doesn't even require market research imho lol. Smaller games (ie quicker), cheaper , same minis as 40k thus setting you up for that over time and better ability to forge the narrative. What DOESN'T make sense about setting up shadow war as a permanent addition to their line-up? Never mind their dipping into their competitors markets.
   
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No Sisters of Battle, so it feels really lazy.

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 Melissia wrote:
No Sisters of Battle, so it feels really lazy.


I don't think they are done adding armies in, but I don't expect Sisters to make it in soon because a metal model line and all.

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 Grimgold wrote:
Models are harder than rules, even if they hopped on plastic sisters after Cannoness Veridyan sold out it may be years before they see shelf space in stores.

Or never. We've had rumors of plastic Sisters for longer than some of the posters here have been alive, and we've gotten nothing.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I don't think they are done adding armies in, but I don't expect Sisters to make it in soon because a metal model line and all.

That wouldn't stop a competent company from making rules to use in the mean time.

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Good faith is a prerequisite for civility. In its absence, "Go Feth Yourself" is not only an acceptable response, it is the only appropriate response and, really, the only possible response. Social media isn’t characterized by rampant incivility because people have bad manners. It looks like that because epidemic bad faith makes nicer manners impossible. So stop arguing in bad faith, or don't be surprised when people tell you to go feth yourself.
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 Melissia wrote:
 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I don't think they are done adding armies in, but I don't expect Sisters to make it in soon because a metal model line and all.

That wouldn't stop a competent company from making rules to use in the mean time.


Assuming they aren't doing just that right now.

H.B.M.C.- The end hath come! From now on armies will only consist of Astorath, Land Speeder Storms and Soul Grinders!
War Kitten- Vanden, you just taunted the Dank Lord Ezra. Prepare for seven years of fighting reality...
koooaei- Emperor: I envy your nipplehorns. <Magnus goes red. Permanently>
Neronoxx- If our Dreadnought doesn't have sick scuplted abs, we riot.
Frazzled- I don't generally call anyone by a term other than "sir" "maam" "youn g lady" "young man" or " HEY bag!"
Ruin- It's official, we've ran out of things to talk about on Dakka. Close the site. We're done.
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Tactical_Spam wrote:

Assuming they aren't doing just that right now.


And they did say their rules team are looking to expand the number of playable factions.

Roknar wrote:That doesn't even require market research imho lol. Smaller games (ie quicker), cheaper , same minis as 40k thus setting you up for that over time and better ability to forge the narrative. What DOESN'T make sense about setting up shadow war as a permanent addition to their line-up? Never mind their dipping into their competitors markets.


Gee Dubz definitely hedged their bets wrong on this one. I find it somewhat understandable give what Dreadfleet sales were like here - nearly 6 years on and that "limited edition" is still piled up in local games shops gathering (two thin) coats of dust.

But as a plan B they should have had a digital version of the core rules ready to go at the very least.

   
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 Melissia wrote:
 Grimgold wrote:
Models are harder than rules, even if they hopped on plastic sisters after Cannoness Veridyan sold out it may be years before they see shelf space in stores.

Or never. We've had rumors of plastic Sisters for longer than some of the posters here have been alive, and we've gotten nothing.

But hey, we had some random sprue shown to us mid last year, not to mention the limited edition Cannoness and Celestine, and that must mean something right? ..... Right?

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I don't think they are done adding armies in, but I don't expect Sisters to make it in soon because a metal model line and all.

That wouldn't stop a competent company from making rules to use in the mean time.

>Competent company
>Gamesworkshop

You can only choose one.

In all honesty as much as I love the SoB fluff and as much as I want them to be available in multi part plastic for something less than £5.55 a model I have reached the point where I doubt it will ever happen. After all, why update Sisters when Marines sell so well. People are obviously not interested in that extremely expensive faction that we do not promote or advertise at all, otherwise they would head to our web store instead of our brick stores and click on the obscure links that would allow them to spend £55+ on ten model units consisting of worn 1990's sculpts.
Clearly they have no fans unlike our heavily promoted, shoehorned into every bit of fluff, mary sue marines who are available in cheap multi part plastic with sculpts less than two years old and available in brick stores.

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 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Assuming they aren't doing just that right now.
I'll believe they are when I can see the rules in front of my face after an official GW release. GW has a longer history of not giving a feth about Sisters than the length of time most posters on there have even collected at all; there's no reason to think they'll change that now. The new management hasn't given us anything that wasn't also given to every other Imperial army and there is zero reason to think that this will change any more than there was reason to think that after Jes Goodwin said seven years ago that the new plastic Sisters of Battle miniatures are "almost done!" that Jes wasn't lying out his ass. He was lying out his ass just like GW has done to us several other times, and instead we got nothing. So I'll wait and see instead of getting hyped up over nothing.

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Good faith is a prerequisite for civility. In its absence, "Go Feth Yourself" is not only an acceptable response, it is the only appropriate response and, really, the only possible response. Social media isn’t characterized by rampant incivility because people have bad manners. It looks like that because epidemic bad faith makes nicer manners impossible. So stop arguing in bad faith, or don't be surprised when people tell you to go feth yourself.
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Could we steer away from sisters please. Feel free to make your own thread about how unfair things are for them but please do not hijack this thread.

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No.

It's relevant to this game, since this game is apparently lacking them and there's no reason they should be excluded.

The OP asked for my opinion of the game so I'm gonna freaking give it, and this strongly impacts my opinion of the game.

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Good faith is a prerequisite for civility. In its absence, "Go Feth Yourself" is not only an acceptable response, it is the only appropriate response and, really, the only possible response. Social media isn’t characterized by rampant incivility because people have bad manners. It looks like that because epidemic bad faith makes nicer manners impossible. So stop arguing in bad faith, or don't be surprised when people tell you to go feth yourself.
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Just watched MWG latest batrep for SW:A, Grey knights vs. genestealer cult, more excited than ever to play this game. Matt from MWG said he is not a fan of the campaign rules, but I actually like simple. The system in place in SW:A there are competing priorities, hoard your promethium to win the league or spend it to be more dangerous in the game. Especially with leagues with a buy in I expect there to be quite a few hoarders, trying to get the payout.

**Edit** SoB (an amusingly on point acronym) aren't in the game. Clogging page after page of this thread with them would be like discussing "the bears" in a thread about Manchester united

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take it with a grain of salt, but rumour is stand alone rulbook in digital form will be released this weekend, keep an eye out on blacklibrary or app stores for the ebook

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Holy Terra

We know further Shadow Wars lists will be available - here's hoping Sister will be among them, along with Chaos Daemons, Storm Scions, the Inquisition, Kroot, Cult Mechanicum, Thousand Sons, Deathwatch, etc, etc, etc - even including full-fledged Space Marines for crying out loud!


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 Kanluwen wrote:
Commissars were something I glossed over. Hate 'em, don't care about 'em.
wait what

Why?

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Manchu wrote:
We know further Shadow Wars lists will be available - here's hoping Sister will be among them, along with Chaos Daemons, Storm Scions, the Inquisition, Kroot, Cult Mechanicum, Thousand Sons, Deathwatch, etc, etc, etc - even including full-fledged Space Marines for crying out loud!

I really hope Daemons never get lists.

Daemons are a pain in the butt for normal games, much less this setup.


 Kanluwen wrote:
Commissars were something I glossed over. Hate 'em, don't care about 'em.
wait what

Why?

Because I don't feel like Commissars really belong these days?
GW has written themselves into a corner, fluff and crunchwise, where they for whatever reason act like Commissars are better than proper officers.

Look at the Scions and their book/collections. You can field ZERO formations of these guys who are purportedly highly loyal, highly motivated, and damn near fanatical to the Imperial Creed without a Commissar babysitter.
Look at Guard and their stuff. Commissars get peddled in the Start Collecting sets for both Scions and Guard proper. Commissars get put into this instead of a Veteran Sergeant as a standalone Specialist Operative--or hell, a "Marbo"-esque Veteran could have taken the place of the dumb Commissar.

When you're talking about all the variety of Regiments and the like, I'm sure some will need Commissars and have loyalty issues or whatever. But really it boils down to Commissars are an outmoded concept given what we've had added fluffwise for Guard themselves.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
I really hope Daemons never get lists.
Agree to disagree. The more the merrier.
 Kanluwen wrote:
You can field ZERO formations of these guys who are purportedly highly loyal, highly motivated, and damn near fanatical to the Imperial Creed without a Commissar babysitter..
I see where you are coming from but I don't think the presence of Commissars is strictly tied to some special suspicion about a formation's loyalty. Of course, the Imperium is endlessly paranoid so yes every single subject's loyalty is constantly in question. But I don't think Commissars hang out with Storm Scions because Storm Scions are just as likely to have morale/loyalty issues as say, Catachans or whoever. My impression is, Commissars are just part and parcel of the bureaucratic/logistical nightmare of overriding and undercutting authority that seems to plague every Imperial institution. I figure Storm Scions look at Commissars more like how SM look at Chaplains, as opposed to how dirtbag regiments often fear and hate their Commissars. After all, Storm Scions and Commissars are cut from the same cloth, ideologically.

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Right behind you.

Then Commissars should be "0-1", like Chaplains are.

They're not. They're mandatory, in addition to a Scion Command Squad.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
Then Commissars should be "0-1", like Chaplains are.

They're not. They're mandatory, in addition to a Scion Command Squad.
Nah, I didn't say that Commissars serve the same purpose for Storm Scions as Chaplains do for SM - I said, Storm Scions probably look at Commissars more like SM look at Chaplains, as opposed to fearing and hating them like scummier regiments do. Makes perfect sense to me that they are mandatory for Storm Scion lists - after all, who do you think keeps the Storm Scion's morale so high and constantly feeds the fires of their zealotry?

   
 
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