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Because this is how we should kick off brexit negoiations lol
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
If it goes through I expect an apology from the mods on the front page due to being accused of being an American because my VPN is in Pennsylvania atm.
It still boggles my mind that a human being could do that to someone else. I mean, I can understand shooting someone, but acid just seems beyond.
Wait until you see someone strapped to their dead husband and set on fire if you think acid is mind blowing.
You guys really never seem to grasp just how vile humanity in general can be. And I find it hilarious that a bullet is OK but acid is not. A bullet can, in fact, leave you just as messed up assuming you live.
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Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
If it goes through I expect an apology from the mods on the front page due to being accused of being an American because my VPN is in Pennsylvania atm.
It still boggles my mind that a human being could do that to someone else. I mean, I can understand shooting someone, but acid just seems beyond.
Wait until you see someone strapped to their dead husband and set on fire if you think acid is mind blowing.
You guys really never seem to grasp just how vile humanity in general can be. And I find it hilarious that a bullet is OK but acid is not. A bullet can, in fact, leave you just as messed up assuming you live.
And I find it hilarious that you willfully misinterpreted statements that acid is worse than bullets as meaning bullets are totally OK, only to fail at proving a point even then. But hey, to each their own
NinthMusketeer wrote: [And I find it hilarious that you willfully misinterpreted statements that acid is worse than bullets as meaning bullets are totally OK, only to fail at proving a point even then. But hey, to each their own
And if he had claimed that acid was worse than bullets, you might have a point. But what he said was that he could 'understand shooting someone'. That would, in fact, imply that shooting someone was understandable and possibly even reasonable, whereas throwing acid in their face was not.
And, further, trying to troll me with THAT pathetic attempt is the only real failure here. Welcome to my block list. Goodbye.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
Orlanth wrote: Actually its relevant to the broader topic as seen in the UK media.
"relevant to the broader topic' is a way of saying it is not actually related to this issue, but it is something you'd rather talk about.
You should look at the link provided, it provides some interesting data. I didn't want to specifically single out Moslems as that is not the only integration issue, it is a lo wider than that and includes most cultural groups in he UK. This was as you pointed out an error, Moslem population in the UK is just over 5.4% (2016 Office for National Statistics data), the prison population is 15% moslem (see linked document). Ths might have been what my source implied. Oh andthanks for etting me to double check that.
So are you finally conceding your claim about Asian over-representation in crime was in error? Is that what the sentence in the middle is kind of saying?
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Kilkrazy wrote: The reasoning behind the hate crime laws is that everyone is at X% risk of violent crime, and members of "hated" minorities are at risk of X+y% risk of violent crime.
There's also an element that hate crimes are deliberately more horrible -- no ordinary criminal decides to pour acid on you "just because", although they might attack you with a hammer or something.
From these two angles, the policy of defining and punishing certain types of crimes by their motive is perfectly reasonable.
A large part of the reasoning for hate crimes comes from the impact beyond the impact on the victim. If a synagogue has a penis spray painted on its side then the church group will have some cleaning costs. If that synagogue has a swastika spray painted on its side, then the local jewish community is likely feel threatened, maybe even intimidated. The impact of the crime changes when there is racial hate behind it.
I think there are plenty of issues with hate crime laws, but it isn't wrong to recognise that some acts can impact whole communities and attempt to write laws to address that.
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
It also helps direct efforts to reduce the crime rate.
If a given area's violent crime is seen to be significantly motivated by race, that's a different thing to tackle than 'regular' violent crime.
If there's racial tensions, and a fear the victims aren't reporting, Police recruitment/deployment could be changed to put non-white officers on the beat to present a less threatening face to the victims.
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Kilkrazy wrote: Last night there were five linked acid attacks by a moped-borne pair of men on various victims in London.
Rule one does not permit to list the punishment these gak holes deserve.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Kilkrazy wrote: Last night there were five linked acid attacks by a moped-borne pair of men on various victims in London.
Wow. Still beats living in the south side of Chicago by a mile.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Let it be said even the laziest gaklord will find a way to cause damage to a person.
I hope they get caught and made examples of. But it's just the escalation of everything tough.
First, it was a punch up. Weaker people then carried knives to even the score. Then the weaker ones get guns because they are too weak to use knives. Then it's acid because knives and guns are harder to get and the punishments worse.
It's just the never ending slide of getting one over that is destroying lives and ruining communities, over stupid things such as demanded respect, honour and all sorts of questionable justifications to give credit to your violence.
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You should look at the link provided, it provides some interesting data. I didn't want to specifically single out Moslems as that is not the only integration issue, it is a lo wider than that and includes most cultural groups in he UK. This was as you pointed out an error, Moslem population in the UK is just over 5.4% (2016 Office for National Statistics data), the prison population is 15% moslem (see linked document). Ths might have been what my source implied. Oh andthanks for etting me to double check that.
So are you finally conceding your claim about Asian over-representation in crime was in error? Is that what the sentence in the middle is kind of saying?
I was right both technically and in the spirit of what I was saying. Asians do present a higher percentage of the prison population than their proportional percentage in the population, and the data backs this up. Moslems also do, but considerably more so.
Kilkrazy wrote: The reasoning behind the hate crime laws is that everyone is at X% risk of violent crime, and members of "hated" minorities are at risk of X+y% risk of violent crime.
There's also an element that hate crimes are deliberately more horrible -- no ordinary criminal decides to pour acid on you "just because", although they might attack you with a hammer or something.
From these two angles, the policy of defining and punishing certain types of crimes by their motive is perfectly reasonable.
A large part of the reasoning for hate crimes comes from the impact beyond the impact on the victim. If a synagogue has a penis spray painted on its side then the church group will have some cleaning costs. If that synagogue has a swastika spray painted on its side, then the local jewish community is likely feel threatened, maybe even intimidated. The impact of the crime changes when there is racial hate behind it.
I think there are plenty of issues with hate crime laws, but it isn't wrong to recognise that some acts can impact whole communities and attempt to write laws to address that.
I disagree on both counts.
Killkrazy is incorrect in that there is no +y% because ethnic violence is omni-directional, but is only considered relevant as a statistic unidirectionally. White on black violence (for instance) is first looked at as hate crime, unless indicated otherwise, the opposite is street crime unless proven otherwise and even then is often swept under the carpet.
The police reluctance to challenge ethnic violence is now well established as fact, Rotherham comes to mind again, as so the Trojan horse schooling in Birmingham. Moslem's in particular must be seen the the victim even in areas where subsections of their society they are the ones doing most of the bullying, and in some circumstances have got a free pass even when acting in a transparently and despicably evil manner, not excluding acts that violate our one remaining societal taboo - child sex..
Now Asian people will feel less safe because they are Moslem, or appear to be Moslem, after a jihadist attack, and reasonably so, but you have to measure than against the attacks to begin with, and the rounds of ethnic violence that are continuously perpetuated.
Sebster is incorrect in his analogy, first anyone spray painting a penis on a synagogue will be accused of a hate crime, especially if they knew the building was a synagogue, a swastika is worse but the alienation is already there. More to the point synagogues can an do complain about these sorts of things and it is taken seriously. Vandalise a church however and the police response is more muted, the former archbishop didn't help but then e was in this instance continuing his job as a Blairite mouthpiece:
This comment is indicative of the lobsided response to discrimination inherent in todays society.
The problem with William's dogma, is that is requires a lobsided response to discrimination against Christians. You only need to use one insensitive term, (for example: the N-word) to be a bigot and to be criminally responsible, and this usage applies to social groups similar term against any other group religious or otherwise, and Williams and New Labour as supportive if that. yet discrimination against Christians is not in his opinion actionable. In this was the CoE was a placeholder for the white majority.
Blair chose Williams well, when he was appointed Blair rejected every candidate elected by the synod until hey got round to presenting him.
All this comes around in a circle. Violence against ethnic minorities s highlighter more than violence by ethnic minorities because it is simple to fix a single label on societies troubles: it must be the far right's fault, deal with them and we can have our multicultural dream come to fruition. As if it was all that stood in the way
Its easier than recognising wider problems or dealing with the issues.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
According to the BBC, a lot of these attacks are gang related. People are carrying acid rather than knives or guns. A surprisingly high proportion happened in a small area of London.
Kilkrazy wrote: According to the BBC, a lot of these attacks are gang related. People are carrying acid rather than knives or guns. A surprisingly high proportion happened in a small area of London.
Scum bags. And if mistake. Someone's blinded or scarred for life who enevr had anything to do with gang.
Lock em up tight n make em regret ever deciding yi take up gang life as there bored in a jail cell for the next 30 years, no tv, no games consoles or that stuff.
A book and maybe a note book.
You do the crime. You pay the price.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Probably already asked, but when is the UK going to enact sensible Acid control? What about the US? Maybe a prohibition on sales and distribution except those personally licensed?
"Preach the gospel always, If necessary use words." ~ St. Francis of Assisi
The worst part about this, is that even if the suspect is caught, because no death has occurred, at least none that I know of, the suspect with get a decade or so in jail and then eventually released, with the victims having to suffer from their injuries for the rest of their lives. This is where I support eye-for-an-eye, although if I could get my hands on someone who did this to a person I care about, I would just soak them in the acid until they dissolved. No apologies ever from me on that view.
However, get used to this. Its only going to get worse. You can't inject as many people as have been injected into an economy that can't support them and not expect bad things to happen. While others will bring up religion and culture and all that, the dividing lines will be money, those who have it and dont want to give it up, those who dont have it, and those who have lost it to the other. Wait till the next generation is born into this environment. You will see crap happening from all sides in all parts of Europe unfortunately, and yes, history does have a way of repeating itself. And wait till global warming makes parts of the middle east uninhabitable. You think you are seeing migration now? And then wait when the warming brings about unpredictable weather which makes growing food more difficult. Might as well start putting the fences up now because it will not be pretty.
Its why I support restricting the immigration of all these refugees to the US. I think Trump is a moron, however I am 100% on board with being careful about who we let in here, and to do so gradually.
Lord of Deeds wrote: Probably already asked, but when is the UK going to enact sensible Acid control? What about the US? Maybe a prohibition on sales and distribution except those personally licensed?
Even if we did. Many regular household regular every day chemicals can do nasty damage.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Kilkrazy wrote: According to the BBC, a lot of these attacks are gang related. People are carrying acid rather than knives or guns. A surprisingly high proportion happened in a small area of London.
Lord of Deeds wrote: Probably already asked, but when is the UK going to enact sensible Acid control? What about the US? Maybe a prohibition on sales and distribution except those personally licensed?
You're British. Come on! Send them to the White Tower to be dealt with Henry VIII fashion.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Lord of Deeds wrote: Probably already asked, but when is the UK going to enact sensible Acid control? What about the US? Maybe a prohibition on sales and distribution except those personally licensed?
Even if we did. Many regular household regular every day chemicals can do nasty damage.
So identify those too and restrict sale or mandate that they be made less harmful. I am sure it would have the added benefit of reducing accidents in the home and injuries to childeren, animanls and the enviorment by having less toxic chemicals in wide circulation and everyday use.
The goal should be to raise the level of effort needed to acquire and use acid or any other chemcial (or anything that could conceviable be used as a weapon) to minimize its potential for being used in a violent act. In parallel raise the minimum punishments for those convicted of such attacks including the reinstitution of part of the Hammurabi code of laws to discourage such acts.
If your government or soceity cannot prevent these types of attacks, then you need take steps to protect yourself from these types of attacks. Might I suggest the following which would minimize the effects of an explosive, ballistic, or chemical attack;
"Preach the gospel always, If necessary use words." ~ St. Francis of Assisi
Its missing a tea cup. This is the British we're talking about. Standards must be maintained.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Lord of Deeds wrote: Probably already asked, but when is the UK going to enact sensible Acid control? What about the US? Maybe a prohibition on sales and distribution except those personally licensed?
The House of Commons are talking about this now. Laws are going to change, but that happens slowly.
They'll make it illegal to sell acid products to minors, or something. It is what they did with knives, and that might have had a minimal effect.
But, a kid goes to his Gran's, who doesn't have a lock in the kitchen cupboard like his Mum put on at home, and cleans her out of cleaning products.
Lord of Deeds wrote: Probably already asked, but when is the UK going to enact sensible Acid control? What about the US? Maybe a prohibition on sales and distribution except those personally licensed?
The House of Commons are talking about this now. Laws are going to change, but that happens slowly. They'll make it illegal to sell acid products to minors, or something. It is what they did with knives, and that might have had a minimal effect. But, a kid goes to his Gran's, who doesn't have a lock in the kitchen cupboard like his Mum put on at home, and cleans her out of cleaning products.
Again, you're British. Put some heads on pikes outside of Whitehall as a warning to others, that acid attacks are not cricket. If that doesn't work, failsafe Plan B is to invade France. I know it has nothing to do with it, but its what you guys do.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
You can licence "industrial" acids like sulphuric acids, which have no household application. You can't licence bleach and drain unblocker, though, every house in the country needs them for normal cleaning purposes.
There already is a law against carrying acid with intent to cause harm. Probably the penalty for acid attacks should be made a lot heavier. As was pointed out above, it's almost impossible to kill someone by throwing acid on them, so GBH is the applicable offence, which has a relatively low penalty.
djones520 wrote: What kills me here is how Lord of Deeds is trolling, and the British posters don't seem to be catching it.
The bomb suit was definitely trollish (though technical accurate as it would provide protection from those types of events), but the rest of my questions/comments are legitimate points of interest and commentary, as where do you draw the line between security, liberty, and convenience?
If you are following the thought process ascribed to the left/social progressivism, i.e. the government has an obligation to do something for those who ostensibly cannot (or will not) do for themselves, then increased regulation and control of the instruments of violence is the answer while on the right, they would offer the answer is increased accountability and punishment.
Wonder what you get when you combine the two?
"Preach the gospel always, If necessary use words." ~ St. Francis of Assisi
Trouble with banning acids is that many common solvents for kitchen or the motor trade are adequate as a weapon either heated or mixed.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
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