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2017/08/16 04:37:08
Subject: Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
Social media is where stupid people go to get fired.
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2017/08/16 04:48:40
Subject: Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
A lot of social media is garbage anyway. I do find it crazy how many get fired for what they say on social media though. Kinda messed up in most cases. What you say off the job should normally not effect how your job handles something. Not like he committed a crime or ruined the company's business in any real way.
Also in many ways antifa and the alt-right/nazis/KKK/racists (or whatever they are) both do really bad things. Don't understand why people can't condemn antifa vandalizing things in public (like stores, trash cans, etc.) or carrying assault weapons on a march (which strikes as being about intimidation) or threatening bystanders that follow or tape them as a good or just thing to do. Don't get me wrong i think Alt-right are more to blame in that virginia incident (since they killed someone) but why can't i say antifa is bad?
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Galas wrote: Political sattire don't interest a company when you are satirizing (based in recent elections,and in a totally innacurate maner), maybe 52% of your potential customer base.
This is all about PR and money, nothing else.
From my reading of the Reaper forums, the percentage of potential customers who would be offended was much higher than 52%.
Pissed of people always make more noise than happy people.
I meant it seems there were a lot more lefties on that forum than, say, this one.
Seriously? More pettiness from the left. Can't win an argument? Drag his employer into it and get him fired. Yay! Winning!
Neo-Nazis, bad. Antifa, also bad, but hypocrites as well. Using violence and intimidation to suppress the views of others makes them the fascists they claim to be fighting against. They are the left's brown shirts practicing the modern equivalent of book burning.
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2017/08/16 04:56:31
Subject: Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
I really think antiFA's biggest problem (not only, mind you, the masked avenging thing with violence is pretty bad too) is their marketing. Don't go with "anti". It makes you look negative by default. Antimatter, anti-itch, anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, etc. all sound bad even if they do good. Go with something akin to what you are opposing. Take their ideology, logos, slogans, and use it against them. Why not "neo-allies"? Ignorance or irrelevance to history doesn't matter to them, so why should it matter to you? I think Rosie the riveter is public domain. Get Britain and France in on this. You got a goldmine kid, market it better, cause black masks and bats don't look good on tv. Black washes out on many non plasmas. And nobody sells plasmas anymore.
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2017/08/16 05:01:53
Subject: Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
Gordon Shumway wrote: I really think antiFA's biggest problem (not only, mind you, the masked avenging thing with violence is pretty bad too) is their marketing. Don't go with "anti". It makes you look negative by default. Antimatter, anti-itch, anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, etc. all sound bad even if they do good. Go with something akin to what you are opposing. Take their ideology, logos, slogans, and use it against them. Why not "neo-allies"? Ignorance or irrelevance to history doesn't matter to them, so why should it matter to you? I think Rosie the riveter is public domain. Get Britain and France in on this. You got a goldmine kid, market it better, cause black masks and bats don't look good on tv. Black washes out on many non plasmas. And nobody sells plasmas anymore.
I disagree on the neo part. Neo has been tainted because of neo-nazis and a lot of other uses of neo. Neo tends to be as bad as anti in many cases.
I agree with the masks and black outfits with often AK variant weapons. Find it interesting they sometimes try to look like terrorists and then expect others to see them as the good guys.
The other thing i see in antifa is a good chunk of them seem pathetic. Don't get me wrong i'm sure some of em aren't and maybe they'll develop into a more serious problem that includes them killing people (i don't know if they have killed anybody yet). However something about their movement feels like it's run by a bunch of whining college kids than a bunch of muscled thugs ready to bring about government change.
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Zillian wrote: Seriously? More pettiness from the left. Can't win an argument? Drag his employer into it and get him fired. Yay! Winning!
Neo-Nazis, bad. Antifa, also bad, but hypocrites as well. Using violence and intimidation to suppress the views of others makes them the fascists they claim to be fighting against. They are the left's brown shirts practicing the modern equivalent of book burning.
I didn't know Donald Trump was on Dakka. Those "views of others" involve racism, bigotry, hatred, and inequality if your skin isn't white. There is no defending this.
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2017/08/16 05:06:24
Subject: Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
Gordon Shumway wrote: I really think antiFA's biggest problem (not only, mind you, the masked avenging thing with violence is pretty bad too) is their marketing. Don't go with "anti". It makes you look negative by default. Antimatter, anti-itch, anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, etc. all sound bad even if they do good. Go with something akin to what you are opposing. Take their ideology, logos, slogans, and use it against them. Why not "neo-allies"? Ignorance or irrelevance to history doesn't matter to them, so why should it matter to you? I think Rosie the riveter is public domain. Get Britain and France in on this. You got a goldmine kid, market it better, cause black masks and bats don't look good on tv. Black washes out on many non plasmas. And nobody sells plasmas anymore.
I disagree on the neo part. Neo has been tainted because of neo-nazis and a lot of other uses of neo. Neo tends to be as bad as anti in many cases.
Got a good point there, how about just "neu-allies"? The French will certainly get on board then and it's got the weird spelling all the kids love. Also, it sounds a lot like a certain catch phrase of a certain doctor that many Brits and "liberal elites" like.
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2017/08/16 05:26:05
Subject: Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
I absolutely don't understand this. Why can't the left condemn antifa? I condemn the alt-right. In fact i think most of us condemn the alt-right. Punching someone in the face isn't 'showing love' it's still hate. If you wish to help people of marginalized groups there's always charities, shelters and various other things you can do to help. In the case of this march just call police if they do anything illegal. If you see graffiti or violence erupt then by all means those people are in the wrong and should get a police man's baton to break their faces.
It's the left hand side of our required "both sides are equally baaaaaad"bs appeal to moderation fallacy, which has been working pretty well for us recently.
...
So, anti-fascism fascists. Weird. Apparently irony is lost on a lot of people these days...
Edit: Back to cooking topics for me, I think. This kind of stuff is too depressing.
Orlanth wrote: I am a Bones 4 backer, and this issue was raising its head today on the Kickstarter campaign.
This is appalling timing for Reaper because their Bones kickstarters are a sizable core of their income stream condensed into a single month.
They are in a bad place as it's damned if you do, damned if you don't.
As for the outcome, we have not had anything concrete from Reaper to my knowledge just conflicted rumours. I see nothing yet that confirms he was fired. This is not unwise as any outcome might trigger more people.
As for the incident. The Reaper employee was being baited, but chose a bad time to comment on a controversial issue. It didn't help that the baiting SJW, who edited their own name from the editted transcript they plastered everywhere, claimed descent from Holocaust survivors as status to generate extra moral merit for being triggered.
I never liked the idea of big companies using Kickstarter this is just more crap on them as it looks to me they defend Antifa
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2017/08/16 05:37:23
Subject: Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
flamingkillamajig wrote: A lot of social media is garbage anyway. I do find it crazy how many get fired for what they say on social media though. Kinda messed up in most cases. What you say off the job should normally not effect how your job handles something. Not like he committed a crime or ruined the company's business in any real way.
It's not usually the content of what was said that gets people fired, it's the appalling lack of judgement. Most employers really don't care, what they care about is the lack of thought. Likewise, most employment, particularly professional salaried employment, comes with an expectation that your personal life isn't going to reflect negatively on the organization. There's lots of people who get fired for doing stuff on their own personal time outside of work all the time. Not always right or fair, but it's how the world works, and people that fail to remember that put themselves at risk.
To bring in another example, some years ago there was a Marine in Iraq who videotaped himself throwing a puppy off a cliff. Well, yes apparently there were standing orders to destroy wild dogs and other animals. Throwing a puppy off a cliff is generally not the approved method, having yourself videotaped while doing so is usually not a smart idea, and doing so in uniform on duty wearing the uniform of the United States...reflects poorly, and undermined the greater mission in a variety of ways. The lack of judgement was what got him drummed out of the Corps, not the death of the animal. If someone displays a lack of judgement that appalling, they cannot be trusted to hold positions of trust, follow directions or orders, or represent the organization they are a part of. Same thing in instances like this if the dude did actually get fired. Don't go doing dumb stuff in a way that's personally identifiable and that can reflect directly back at your employer.
TL;DR Facebook is a poor place for arguing political nuances in a highly charged political environment (or arguing/discussing anything really), don't get into public pissing contests on FB, if you must, make an alt account that doesn't display your livelyhood and identity to the world, or abstain on such platforms, or accept that it may cost you your job.
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2017/08/16 05:39:31
Subject: Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
It's the left hand side of our required "both sides are equally baaaaaad"bs appeal to moderation fallacy, which has been working pretty well for us recently.
...
So, anti-fascism fascists. Weird. Apparently irony is lost on a lot of people these days...
Edit: Back to cooking topics for me, I think. This kind of stuff is too depressing.
Orlanth wrote: I am a Bones 4 backer, and this issue was raising its head today on the Kickstarter campaign.
This is appalling timing for Reaper because their Bones kickstarters are a sizable core of their income stream condensed into a single month.
They are in a bad place as it's damned if you do, damned if you don't.
As for the outcome, we have not had anything concrete from Reaper to my knowledge just conflicted rumours. I see nothing yet that confirms he was fired. This is not unwise as any outcome might trigger more people.
As for the incident. The Reaper employee was being baited, but chose a bad time to comment on a controversial issue. It didn't help that the baiting SJW, who edited their own name from the editted transcript they plastered everywhere, claimed descent from Holocaust survivors as status to generate extra moral merit for being triggered.
I never liked the idea of big companies using Kickstarter this is just more crap on them as it looks to me they defend Antifa
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2017/08/16 05:42:40
Subject: Re:Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
Zillian wrote: Seriously? More pettiness from the left. Can't win an argument? Drag his employer into it and get him fired. Yay! Winning!
Neo-Nazis, bad. Antifa, also bad, but hypocrites as well. Using violence and intimidation to suppress the views of others makes them the fascists they claim to be fighting against. They are the left's brown shirts practicing the modern equivalent of book burning.
I didn't know Donald Trump was on Dakka. Those "views of others" involve racism, bigotry, hatred, and inequality if your skin isn't white. There is no defending this.
There is if the person you are denegrating wasnt doing what you claim.
Read the transcripts, then come back.
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2017/08/16 05:49:33
Subject: Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
flamingkillamajig wrote: I absolutely don't understand this. Why can't the left condemn antifa? I condemn the alt-right. In fact i think most of us condemn the alt-right. Punching someone in the face isn't 'showing love' it's still hate. If you wish to help people of marginalized groups there's always charities, shelters and various other things you can do to help. In the case of this march just call police if they do anything illegal. If you see graffiti or violence erupt then by all means those people are in the wrong and should get a police man's baton to break their faces.
The left can condemn them and frequently does. I do. I'm left. Making jokes gets no credit.. Why can't the president of the United States of America condemn Nazis, or people who are in that thought process? No he did not he never has, doub he ever will. Surprise would be good, very good. Very, very good.....sorry, got lost in the eloquence and gak of presidential declarations and speeches.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Cause very very is eliquent now. He's got that down at least, how bout NK? I'm confident he will do the thoughtful thing. How bout taxes? I'm confident he will do whatever he thinks is best. Good enough. I just shat on myself. How bout you pricks who are so against a private company doing what private companes do, stand up and say, hey that's pretty gakky? Private companies can only do I when it suits you needs?
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2017/08/16 06:11:24
Subject: Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
flamingkillamajig wrote: I absolutely don't understand this. Why can't the left condemn antifa? I condemn the alt-right. In fact i think most of us condemn the alt-right. Punching someone in the face isn't 'showing love' it's still hate. If you wish to help people of marginalized groups there's always charities, shelters and various other things you can do to help. In the case of this march just call police if they do anything illegal. If you see graffiti or violence erupt then by all means those people are in the wrong and should get a police man's baton to break their faces.
If I could answer this with my own frustrations, I feel like the actual condemnation of the white supremacist tend to be conditional ("but Antifa is just as bad") or implied rather than explicitly stated and it comes off like an insincere apology. I don't think anyone on this site seriously supports the losers waving around the swastika, but it seems like more people's focus is on slagging the left at any chance. Which makes comments like "they're both bad" come with an implied "But I hate antifa more"
Edit: Not that I support Antifa, Although my issue is that much like "SJW" I feel their existence is not as large as people make them out to be. Antifa is as much a political threat to the US as the neo-nazi, and if they are worse I'd REALLY like to see a good explanation as to why.
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flamingkillamajig wrote: However something about their movement feels like it's run by a bunch of whining college kids than a bunch of muscled thugs ready to bring about government change.
Doesn't that kind of work in their favor?
2017/08/16 06:31:35
Subject: Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
I like it, but it's a bit niche, no? Wait, origin, and history doesn't matter. So yes. From here on out all you antifa hooigams shall be dubbed primary auxiliary. Wait. Primarily allies. Wait. Primaris allies. Yup. Go forward and fight with that on your back.. or front... or wherever you keep your most cherished icons... do people still not get the old warhammer schtich I've been putting down? That's a bit depressing and grimdark.
flamingkillamajig wrote: However something about their movement feels like it's run by a bunch of whining college kids than a bunch of muscled thugs ready to bring about government change.
Doesn't that kind of work in their favor?
Each, I'm not sure "hey, let's go up against colllege muscled thugs" is going to play. College sort itself f gets you on the jobs that you might be trying to apply to. "Hey, let's get tacos" might be better. Go with that for a lead, at least. You can follow up with the '"wanna be like trump" bit later if you think the college is a good fit for you. Wait. Sorry, you will never live your full life in college, do not apply
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2017/08/16 06:41:04
Subject: Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
This is 2017, and anyone who hasnt learned that what you say and do can and will be used against you on social media is just asking for it.
This guy got involved in a fight where he came out kind of defending Nazis, while having his employer tagged on his profile. It's not like stories of people getting fired for having certain (typically far right) beliefs are that uncommon, so nobody should be shocked when he gets smacked down for being objectively stupid.
Having read through it, the guy got baited and then claimed he was the troll, which made it even worse.
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2017/08/16 06:50:47
Subject: Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
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2017/08/16 07:05:55
Subject: Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
Crazyterran wrote: This is 2017, and anyone who hasnt learned that what you say and do can and will be used against you on social media is just asking for it.
This.
It also part explains why I dont want anything to do with Facebook or Twiter, though there are other reasons.
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2017/08/16 07:06:06
Subject: Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
flamingkillamajig wrote: I absolutely don't understand this. Why can't the left condemn antifa? I condemn the alt-right. In fact i think most of us condemn the alt-right. Punching someone in the face isn't 'showing love' it's still hate. If you wish to help people of marginalized groups there's always charities, shelters and various other things you can do to help. In the case of this march just call police if they do anything illegal. If you see graffiti or violence erupt then by all means those people are in the wrong and should get a police man's baton to break their faces.
The left can condemn them and frequently does. I do. I'm left. Making jokes gets no credit.. Why can't the president of the United States of America condemn Nazis, or people who are in that thought process? No he did not he never has, doub he ever will. Surprise would be good, very good. Very, very good.....sorry, got lost in the eloquence and gak of presidential declarations and speeches.
Erm... he did condemn them as both the white nationalist and antifa both perpetuated violence. It's just that he didn't name-name them the first time. But, Sunday (or Monday?!?) he finally name-named them. And again today at that infrastructure presser.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Cause very very is eliquent now. He's got that down at least, how bout NK? I'm confident he will do the thoughtful thing. How bout taxes? I'm confident he will do whatever he thinks is best. Good enough. I just shat on myself. How bout you pricks who are so against a private company doing what private companes do, stand up and say, hey that's pretty gakky? Private companies can only do I when it suits you needs?
Okay... you lost me here... o.O
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Crazyterran wrote: This is 2017, and anyone who hasnt learned that what you say and do can and will be used against you on social media is just asking for it.
Heh... aint that the truth!
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2017/08/16 07:40:31
Subject: Re:Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
There seems to be a very strange logic at work here from that guy in the article.
I'm reading a book about the siege of Tobruk 1941.
Is the British & Commonwealth army as bad as the Nazis for using violence against them? After all, both side are using violence to try and achieve their goals.
There's no context from that guy.
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2017/08/16 07:52:33
Subject: Re:Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
Zillian wrote: Seriously? More pettiness from the left. Can't win an argument? Drag his employer into it and get him fired. Yay! Winning!
Neo-Nazis, bad. Antifa, also bad, but hypocrites as well. Using violence and intimidation to suppress the views of others makes them the fascists they claim to be fighting against. They are the left's brown shirts practicing the modern equivalent of book burning.
I didn't know Donald Trump was on Dakka. Those "views of others" involve racism, bigotry, hatred, and inequality if your skin isn't white. There is no defending this.
Straight in with the name-calling. Classy.
Also, typical of the left, you're missing the point- It's not about defending what they say. Under the First Amendment, they have a legal right to express their views. You seem to have fallen into the trap of thinking 'Nazis bad, they no have rights!' That's not how it works, especially when you label everyone who disagrees with you a Nazi. Violent alt-left thugs don't get to decide who can or can't exercise their constitutional rights.
Yes, there are actual Neo-Nazis out there, but the term Nazi is being used so indiscriminately it is losing it's meaning.
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2017/08/16 08:07:47
Subject: Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
flamingkillamajig wrote: I absolutely don't understand this. Why can't the left condemn antifa? I condemn the alt-right. In fact i think most of us condemn the alt-right. Punching someone in the face isn't 'showing love' it's still hate. If you wish to help people of marginalized groups there's always charities, shelters and various other things you can do to help. In the case of this march just call police if they do anything illegal. If you see graffiti or violence erupt then by all means those people are in the wrong and should get a police man's baton to break their faces.
The left can condemn them and frequently does. I do. I'm left. Making jokes gets no credit.. Why can't the president of the United States of America condemn Nazis, or people who are in that thought process? No he did not he never has, doub he ever will. Surprise would be good, very good. Very, very good.....sorry, got lost in the eloquence and gak of presidential declarations and speeches.
Erm... he did condemn them as both the white nationalist and antifa both perpetuated violence. It's just that he didn't name-name them the first time. But, Sunday (or Monday?!?) he finally name-named them. And again today at that infrastructure presser.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Cause very very is eliquent now. He's got that down at least, how bout NK? I'm confident he will do the thoughtful thing. How bout taxes? I'm confident he will do whatever he thinks is best. Good enough. I just shat on myself. How bout you pricks who are so against a private company doing what private companes do, stand up and say, hey that's pretty gakky? Private companies can only do I when it suits you needs?
Okay... you lost me here... o.O
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Crazyterran wrote: This is 2017, and anyone who hasnt learned that what you say and do can and will be used against you on social media is just asking for it.
Heh... aint that the truth!
I was attempting to give an oral translation of your president's press conference. If you have a better one than "oh, gak, I just gak in my pants" then I guess I will listen to it but, the pants have already been shat in and he has already lost whatever wibly wobbly support he had. Rubio jumped ship two weeks ago, and he is a good rat to follow.
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2017/08/16 08:08:28
Subject: Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
Gordon Shumway wrote: Each, I'm not sure "hey, let's go up against colllege muscled thugs" is going to play. College sort itself f gets you on the jobs that you might be trying to apply to. "Hey, let's get tacos" might be better. Go with that for a lead, at least. You can follow up with the '"wanna be like trump" bit later if you think the college is a good fit for you. Wait. Sorry, you will never live your full life in college, do not apply
I have no idea what you're saying here.
2017/08/16 08:10:36
Subject: Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
The argument of the First Amendment is used often to defend the KKK and so on. The chief editor of Breitbart.com used it on Radio 4 yesterday, for instance. But it is a specious argument. The First Amendment restrains the government from preveting free speech. It has no legal or moral force against the actions of citizens.
As for the term "nazi" losing its force, I think most people can still make a distinction between the teenager called the Five Guys team "nazis" for not giving him enough free french fries, and a bunch of people on a political march carrying swastika banners and shouting anti-Jewish slogans.
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Zillian wrote: Under the First Amendment, they have a legal right to express their views.
What right-wing advocates have been arrested for peddling their right-wing ideology? If the answer is "none" then making an appeal to the first amendment is dumb.
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2017/08/16 08:18:43
Subject: Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
Kilkrazy wrote: The argument of the First Amendment is used often to defend the KKK and so on. The chief editor of Breitbart.com used it on Radio 4 yesterday, for instance. But it is a specious argument. The First Amendment restrains the government from preveting free speech. It has no legal or moral force against the actions of citizens.
I'm not sure I follow your point as being a 'specious argument'...
1st Amendment prevents government from denying the exercise of speech.
Charlloteville city initially denied these donkey-cave's permit to protest on city grounds... it wasn't until a judge stepped in to force the city to issue the permit.
As for the term "nazi" losing its force, I think most people can still make a distinction between the teenager called the Five Guys team "nazis" for not giving him enough free french fries, and a bunch of people on a political march carrying swastika banners and shouting anti-Jewish slogans.
It's getting blurred man... as it's a lazy retort when you don't want to have an honest debate.
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2017/08/16 08:19:41
Subject: Re:Reaper Miniatures fires an employee for criticizing militant group "Antifa"
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: There seems to be a very strange logic at work here from that guy in the article.
I'm reading a book about the siege of Tobruk 1941.
Is the British & Commonwealth army as bad as the Nazis for using violence against them? After all, both side are using violence to try and achieve their goals.
There's no context from that guy.
Didn't you know? Using violence for political means is fascism! Like those fascist that fought against the Third Reich or the fascist American revolution
Yeah, I very much do think the terminology here is very important. I absolutely do not take these people at their word. I hear and see references to the Third Reich, just like I can see them trying to develop some kind of vocabulary of "European heritage." I don't buy any of it. What I actually see here is something that goes back to before there was any such thing as a Nazi, something that isn't a problem smuggled in from Europe before/during WW2. What I see is a completely American issue, going back to the colonization of North America by people who would gradually come to see themselves as "white", namely white supremacy. White supremacy is a fundamental issue of American history. The allusions to the Third Reich, in addition to being pathetic, have a clear strategic purpose: being outlandish and controversial gets attention.
I also see a strategy behind calling them "actual, literal Nazis," which they actually, literally aren't (using the actual and literal definitions of all of those words). "Nazi" is one of the absolutely worst things you can call anybody. It is so completely toxic that it can significantly undermine someone just by casual reference. You don't even have to "be" a (neo-)Nazi; you can be discredited for "defending Nazis" or even "not sufficiently condemning Nazis." This is a very powerful and threatening kind of rhetoric. If you can establish that X Group are "actual, literal Nazis" then you can start to leverage that to make other kinds of arguments, like "Bannon supports Nazis" or "Trump won't condemn Nazis" - I mean, these are not hypothetical cases, this is the rhetoric already being used out there. And in this case, we have a guy seemingly fired for pointing this out as sinister.
"If you show up in Nazi regalia you automatically lose any moral ground in the argument you are trying to make." - Yeah, I agree with this 100% and I think the vast majority of Americans also agree with this, which is why these people are not dangerous as a political movement, although white supremacists are obviously extremely dangerous in terms of committing acts of terror.
The problem here is you seem to think that unless you are a saurkraut eating nazi from the 30's you aren't really a fascist/nazi. Fascism always take different expression from country to country, German fascism looked different from Italian fascism, which in turn looked different from Spanish fascism or Japanese fascism. They all have the same core but they express it differently depending on the national context they are in, in short, American fascism is going to be based on American conditions, not the conditions in 1930's Germany.
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