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kombatwombat wrote:
Alright then, let’s do this.

Boob armour is fine, it’s an effective way of making models identifiably female from the other side of a table.

Women being condemned as sinful and having to earn their right to redemption in the eyes of their male saviour by stripping naked (or near to it) is not fine. At all.

Come at me.

You do know that them stripping naked is to remove any protection they have, drastically increases the chances of them dying, right? That's where the redemption comes from. If they live, they can forgive themselves. If they don't, then I guess the Emperor was mad at them after all.
That said, they should really be wearing a simple white robe, like what real life penitents do.

Personally I would like to see all the models merely be done up in plastic. we have a potential base in the geminiae superia Celestine has- I don't have that good an eye, but they seemed rather effective and kept the spirit to me very well for most of the battle sister models to use as a base at least to me.

On the Repentia, keep them as is as well- some take on the oath of repentance themselves, other may be punished with it, and others take it on behalf of others... but i always liked the "Slayer oath (ah... Warhammer dwarfs)" way it feels, and the removal of the old wargear is a part of that.

as I understand it the reason the robes are often red is because their clothing is a part of their old cloth wargear as they are no longer what they once where. then they fight to the death on a mission, or to successfully be considered atoned for the objective they are seeking- though often it is indeed death they find. the point of the mistress of repentence is to judge them for their actions in the field.

... seems fitting enough to me for such a fanatical organization, as some would commit themselves to this over merely a perceived failure willingly.

 G00fySmiley wrote:
I am looking forward to plastic sisters... will be certainlu buy some allies for my imperium army. That said i am going to incrradibly annoyed if they come out and get thier rules before orks. I am tired of pretty much autolosing to codex armies with orls unless i just bring 200 boys to counter meta some lists.

If the Sisters are getting a beta 'dex in CA '18, I think you're safe, dude. Aren't Orks due around June time, going by the rumour people?

 Marmatag wrote:
I hope the Sisters Codex brings them on par with Grey Knights.

That's a wee bit harsh, Marmatag. Wasn't the consensus that we should hope that books aim for Tyranid levels of balance?

Jbz` wrote:
Bets on the exact date?
December 31st 11:59 pm ? (Probably)

While vaguely amusing, let's not give them ideas, OK?

 BlaxicanX wrote:
List the times GW has made official declerations of intent to make and release plastic Sisters of models.

I can remember a couple of seminar quotes where they've mentioned them as being worked on, but there being some technical challenges regarding cloth/hair looking right, or something like that.

kb_lock wrote:
Itt: fangirls don't kmow what "emperor willing" means

And, in this contect, what do you believe it means?

 Tokhuah wrote:
Personally I do not care as I would never play sisters due to philosophical differences.

I'm going to regret asking this, but - what philosophical differences do you have with them?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
For all the fanfare, if they make them, I wonder how they'll sell.

Probably pennies compared to the Plastic Thunderhawk.

But do you believe that to be due to low volumes of Sisters sales, or whatever ridiculous price tag goes on a plastic Thunderhawk?

 Blackie wrote:
I'd be ok with a 10 man sister squad.

Errrrrrm...

*****

Well, I look forwards to seeing what comes of this - especially any posts regarding the design process.

i wonder if it will be a full army or just a mini dex with handful of units

I know this might sound a little childish but we dont need any more imperial armys give the xenos some love please

now that aside am looking forward to seeing the new models hope they get some nice redesigns make them look fresh.

Honestly, I'd be really disappointed if they removed the cheesecake from sisters. I don't like them because they're girls with guns. I love them because they're ridiculous, excessive religious fanatics with a killer Heavy Metal (The Moebius/Humanoids publication, not the genre of music) vibe.

Reasonable female soldiers is great, and there are plenty of places for that to be cultivated. But that's not at all the identity of the SoB. I want weird, crazy, and over the top with enough repressed sexual tension to raze planets.

And that includes Repentia. Their fluff is great, the old artwork for them is great, there's a lot of potential here. Violent, savage, and crazy as hell. Them not wearing much clothes never came off as sexually exploitative to me, they're future flagellants, not pinups, and GW's actually done a pretty good job of portraying them as such (you'll get a lot of rule 34 for them, but you get that for everything).

Statement Redacted. - Edit.

I hope it’s a complete ministorium codex with new priests and flayers and death cult and such.

Does this mean new vehicles too?

I don't feel like going back and finding the actual quote but for the guy talking about plastic thunderhawk being more profitable than SoB: LOL. LOL right in your face.

Everybody that wants a thunderhawk has a resin one and it's not like the plastic one would be any cheaper.

 Fafnir wrote:


And that includes Repentia. Their fluff is great, the old artwork for them is great, there's a lot of potential here. Violent, savage, and crazy as hell. Them not wearing much clothes never came off as sexually exploitative to me, they're future flagellants, not pinups, and GW's actually done a pretty good job of portraying them as such (you'll get a lot of rule 34 for them, but you get that for everything).

This is what I never understood about peoples complaints with repentia. They're asexual non-people in the eyes of the Imperium and their faith (though are actually arguably treated better than average penitant). By accusing them of being a sexist thing (especially in the way kombatwombat phrased it) you're imposing 21st century morals onto the 41st millenium which is a totally different society.

Likewise, the tatters they wear are their old combat tabards to remind them of their failure. Giving them proper clothes to cover their modesty (especially white robes mentioned earlier which would symbolise rebirth and purity) humanises them and could be a comfort which is not the aim of penitance.

You could just give them a sack with holes or something. Still shows failure but deals with the clothing issue.

It's the raw savagery of it all that makes them so appealing. The more exposed, the more brutal and barbaric they seem (the developers of the God of War series used a similar ideology in developing the design of Kratos, for comparison).

The thing about the clothing issue is that it's not really an issue unless you make it one. They've never been officially portrayed in a sexually suggestive light, if anything they're grotesque.

pm713 wrote:
You could just give them a sack with holes or something. Still shows failure but deals with the clothing issue.

And looks like nothing else in 40k and wouldn't sell because it looks, well, ugly.

 Quickjager wrote:

pm713 wrote:
You could just give them a sack with holes or something. Still shows failure but deals with the clothing issue.

And looks like nothing else in 40k and wouldn't sell because it looks, well, ugly.

Even the Arco Flagellants, the male(sometimes female but no models) forced equivalent of repentia are basically stripped just as nude and the head coverings are to help keep them calm before unleashing them.

Most people tend to forget them for some reason, but they are in the same sort of state.

ERJAK wrote:
I don't feel like going back and finding the actual quote but for the guy talking about plastic thunderhawk being more profitable than SoB: LOL. LOL right in your face.

Everybody that wants a thunderhawk has a resin one and it's not like the plastic one would be any cheaper.

Agreed. A plastic Thunderhawk would still be in the 100s, and so out of the price range acceptable for a single model for most hobbyists. To say this would sell better than a faction any kid can pick up a box of with their pocket money makes no sense to me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a little sceptical of quite how popular Sisters will be too. I think there's very much a case of a minority creating a huge amount of noise on the issue. But still, GW have clearly done a value judgement and decided it makes sense to do it, so I'm happy for Sisters fans!

Anyone who says they don't want sisters of battle to attractive ( I mean feminine shape... not naked!) can just leave because they are lying! But there is nothing wrong with that! Heck, I have many female friends both straight and gay who have a super hard of the the Sisters! And damn right they should do! Nothing more sexy than a strong female who can be an equal to a man! I don't want to be dominated or be the dominant! I just want to fight side by side to the death for the emperor (or in real life terms, i find a woman attractive if they can be my equal). And damn right a Sister could equal most imperium men in battle!

 Yodhrin wrote:
I mean, pretty much the only reason this is happening has to be the big survey thing they did showing them the demand was there.

Well, that and the fact that Verydian sold out 3 times in less than 2 weeks when she was released. IIRC, she was sold out in Australia within 20 minutes the first time and I imagine it was similar elsewhere.

Or that Celestine sold / is selling like hotcakes (though that has more to do with being a staple of a Guard / Soup army than anything else at this point I suspect).

The fact that they (SoB) were / are surprisingly strong for an index army certainly won't have hurt either.

The real test will be twofold:
1) If their rules are good, they will sell regardless because that's the way it works and
2) How many people who, over the last decade+ actually follow through on their "I would totally buy an army of SoB if they were plastic" vows. I'm doubting it will even be 5% of the people who still play. Especially when it turns out that they're really not much cheaper in plastic compared to metal.

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 lolman1c wrote:
Anyone who says they don't want sisters of battle to attractive ( I mean feminine shape... not naked!) can just leave because they are lying! But there is nothing wrong with that! Heck, I have many female friends both straight and gay who have a super hard of the the Sisters! And damn right they should do! Nothing more sexy than a strong female who can be an equal to a man! I don't want to be dominated or be the dominant! I just want to fight side by side to the death for the emperor (or in real life terms, i find a woman attractive if they can be my equal). And damn right a Sister could equal most imperium men in battle!

And anyone who is stupid enough to make sweeping statements like the above can leave, because as bizare as it is to you, not everyone thinks with their genitals. If we're being completely honest, IMHO it's cringeworthy thinking like this that equates them being female to needing to be "sexy" that drags down a really cool faction into the gutter. Next thing you'll be asking for bare midriffs and chainmail bikinis.

I don't want them to be attractive for the sake of being attractive, nor do I want them to be hideous for the sake of being hideous, they should simply follow the same aesthetic as the current models already have (ie. normal, generic, unmodded human females in powered armour). This is a wargame, not a damn fashion parade.

Dont get to hyped, remember this go around of managers loves using lore words for stuff. "Emperor willing" Is their way of saying, we are gonna try.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Dont get to hyped, remember this go around of managers loves using lore words for stuff. "Emperor willing" Is their way of saying, we are gonna try.

Eh, it's just covering their backs. I have no stake in this horse, but my reading was very much that they have solid plans for this release, that it is 99% happening.

However, completely unpredictable things can happen. Some key part of their development could be hit with disaster. They could make moulds and they get destroyed in a fire, or the lead designer for them dies from a car accident and it takes some months to recover the team, or maybe the company just hits financial trouble and has to unfortunately cut new production.

With all the will in the world, something could go wrong. No one can say with 100% certainty, not even the most senior executives, what the company will release in 2019. That's all that clause is saying, that their INTENTIONS are 100% to release plastic sisters in 2019, but recognise it's POSSIBLE for something to go horribly wrong.

I think it's a bit brave of GW to even finally try this. They're going to get raked over the coals by 40% of recipients regardless of what design decisions they make.

I will say though, Sisters players better buy a ton of models. They faded from popularity because their original sales numbers were pretty poor --- if they don't do well this time, you'll never see another set of kits. Time to put up or shut up.

They faded from popularity because they didn't get any new releases from 3rd edition until freaking 7th edition.

'Tis a very sad day for me. I love the fact that they are making plastic Sisters. I've wanted that for years! But, they waited long enough to where I'm getting married soon, and my priorities are much different now. I most likely won't be buying any plastic Sisters.

SG

Pooh pooh now Melissa, they got a ecodex in 6th.

Wait that was just a scan of a white dwarf article I think...

Stux wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
I don't feel like going back and finding the actual quote but for the guy talking about plastic thunderhawk being more profitable than SoB: LOL. LOL right in your face.

Everybody that wants a thunderhawk has a resin one and it's not like the plastic one would be any cheaper.

Agreed. A plastic Thunderhawk would still be in the 100s, and so out of the price range acceptable for a single model for most hobbyists. To say this would sell better than a faction any kid can pick up a box of with their pocket money makes no sense to me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a little sceptical of quite how popular Sisters will be too. I think there's very much a case of a minority creating a huge amount of noise on the issue. But still, GW have clearly done a value judgement and decided it makes sense to do it, so I'm happy for Sisters fans!

Not to mention how little use in game it is gaming wise. Huge expensive point flying transport. How many of those you usually would see on battlefield? 1? 2? How many take even 1?

Sisters meanwhile can be good soup ingredient for imperial armies...For small points which means more reasons to take than huge expensive flyer more suited for 4000+ pts games

A codex that did not come with miniature releases. Closest thing we got to "new" minis was, at the time, Veridyan, a limited-edition release at the time as well.

 Elbows wrote:
I think it's a bit brave of GW to even finally try this. They're going to get raked over the coals by 40% of recipients regardless of what design decisions they make.

I will say though, Sisters players better buy a ton of models. They faded from popularity because their original sales numbers were pretty poor --- if they don't do well this time, you'll never see another set of kits. Time to put up or shut up.

Based on what? Hard to sell btw when you don't get any updates. Expensive metals with poor rules don't generally sell.

And btw GW doesn't put out armies just on sales btw. For example squats weren't squatted because they sold poorly. They sold about same or even more than others that were kept.

 Elbows wrote:
I think it's a bit brave of GW to even finally try this. They're going to get raked over the coals by 40% of recipients regardless of what design decisions they make.

I will say though, Sisters players better buy a ton of models. They faded from popularity because their original sales numbers were pretty poor --- if they don't do well this time, you'll never see another set of kits. Time to put up or shut up.

The faded in popularity not just because they never saw a real update after 3rd edition (as Melissa said), but because their 3rd edition update came without the plastic models that nearly every other faction got and saw the army transformed from "Sisters of Battle" to "Inquisitor freakshow". And that was on top of the rough launch they had in 2nd edition where they were released right at the end of the edition with an extremely limited line of models and a copy/paste Space Marine codex.

Its not really surprising that two decades of neglect and the most minimal support possible would lead to poor sales. GW has never given Sisters a real chance. And despite all that they've still continued to sell after 20 years.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Quickjager wrote:

pm713 wrote:
You could just give them a sack with holes or something. Still shows failure but deals with the clothing issue.

And looks like nothing else in 40k and wouldn't sell because it looks, well, ugly.

Even the Arco Flagellants, the male(sometimes female but no models) forced equivalent of repentia are basically stripped just as nude and the head coverings are to help keep them calm before unleashing them.

Most people tend to forget them for some reason, but they are in the same sort of state.

Again I'd say worse state. Repentia can actually be absolved and I assume have some sort of free will in as much as they aren't forcibly controlled into penance and seek it willingly. Acro-flagellants are reduced to single-minded killing machines via brainwashing, drugs, forced surgery and torture.

But acro-flagellants are men so they're disposable and no ome cares. Like I said, slap some boobs on an acro-flagellant and I'm sure we'd hear just as many complaints.

Especially when it turns out that they're really not much cheaper in plastic compared to metal.

Very few plastic units are sold at 50-60 quid a squad, and that is usually reserved for elite units that are really bulky(Centurions come to mind at 47,5 quid). Looking at the more recent lines I'd say that they have learned something from the Kirby era mistakes.

If they go for a high price point for a 10-man squad I imagine it will be about 35 quid. That's what the Fyreslayers and Witch Aelves cost(and a lot of people complained about). That's still 15 quid lower than the current Sororita squad and whopping 30 quid lower than the current Seraphim.

To further reinforce the point: A landraider is cheaper than the current Battle Sister squad. In fact the Sister Squad is the same price as a Stormraven and Seraphims are even more expensive than a Stormraven. To think that they'd price the squad at the same price point as the current selection is to be either insane or Kirby.

Yeah, the basic Battle Sisters Squad is already more expensive than the relatively recently released Venerable Land Raider for Custodes.