Troops are Dumb, how do I avoid them?

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**AnomanderRake**

Strg Alt wrote:
DeffDred wrote:
OP should play AoS. Khorne Daemons.

Yep, and just take ten Bloodthirsters.

Possibly referring to the fact that pretty much all cavalry in AoS are Battleline in faction armies (as opposed to alliance armies) and matched play lists can be just Bloodcrushers.

**Headlss**

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
Fortunately for you, and unfortunately for me, GW has adopted the pratice of -Regardless of how little sense it makes, if you own the models for it, it will be a legal army.
In open they don't even have to be from the same Codex! A Tyranid Hive Tyrant, a Warhound Titan, a Bloodthirster, and a Falcon Gravtank are a completely legal list - Using Aux Support detachments.

This edition is literally designed from the ground up as the 'If we sell it in a kit, you can put it on a table and play with it' edition.

So as many posters have said - Litterally buy the models you want - And it will be a legal army.

I can also put my cat on the table and have it fight a pumpkin. But I don't think many other people are keen to play that way.

**Dysartes**

Red Marine wrote:
Headlss wrote:
Idon't like troops. (Or tanks really)

I like Bikes and walkers. Calvary and beasts are Awesomesauce. Deamons and Carnifexs are cool. Heavy weapons platforms are alright, even terminators are cool.

But I don't like troops. For this discussion troops are anything thats pretty cheep, slow, not too tough and not really scary in either shooting or melee.

So how do I avoid them? Is there anyone that can take something like bikes or warwalkers as a troop choice?

I know I don't have to take a batalion detachment but that is the best way to get Command points, and i like command points, ad you might guess I'm a toys before boys kind of guy.

Cavalry.
Calvary.

Maybe the OP is originally from Georgia, Virginia or Wisconsin, and really likes one of the cities called Calvary?

**Akar**

A few people have mentioned CPs but I really think you should look at the armies with the Criteria you are looking for, and see if there are any Stratgems that might be worth taking. Like the Tank list.

A few other suggestions that I didn’t see.

- Thunderwolf Cav lists seem to do alright and aren’t really Stratgem reliant
- Custodes have some pretty tanky troops choices
- Don’t Eldar have Bikes as a Troops? Backed by Warwalkers, Vypers, Wraithknights, etc might get him what he’s looking for?

**AnomanderRake**

Akar wrote:
...- Don’t Eldar have Bikes as a Troops? Backed by Warwalkers, Vypers, Wraithknights, etc might get him what he’s looking for?

In 4th->7th, yes, but not anymore.

**Akar**

AnomanderRake wrote:
In 4th->7th, yes, but not anymore.

Good to Know, thx.

**Bharring**

To expand on that, here's the Eldar troop options:
DE: Kabs, Wyches, Wracks
CWE: Storm Guardians, Guardian Defenders, Rangers, Dire Avengers
Harlies: Harlequins
Corsairs: Corsairs

The Harlequins move super fast and hit hard, and the Corsairs can take jetpacks. Aside from that, all Eldar troops (of any variety) are normal-ish Troops - basic infantry with basic weaponry with no movement shenanigans.

Eldar do make extensive use of transports, but that's not what the OP is looking for.

**iGuy91**

Being able to make lists that avoid troops is the cancer that is killing the game and skewing the meta more into spammy nonsense.

**Headlss**

iGuy91 wrote:
Being able to make lists that avoid troops is the cancer that is killing the game and skewing the meta more into spammy nonsense.

I can awlways take the loyal 32. Or since I am dark elf the scheming 17.

**Melissia**

Headlss wrote:
So how do I avoid them? Is there anyone that can take something like bikes or warwalkers as a troop choice?

Don't think so any more. Was a thing in previous editions. Best you can go for is multiple specialist detachments.

Perhaps you can compensate by putting them in transports?

**Karhedron**

I like the current mechanic of different Detachments like Spearhead or Outrider that allow you to run without Troops. In previous editions, you HAD to have Troops. Now you get rewarded for taking them but you can get by without if you want.

**Zustiur**

Kataphron from adeptus mechanicus seem like a good fit for your requirements. They're not fast but can move and shoot freely with heavy weapons. They even look a little like cavalry or bikes.
Then back then up with robots and dune crawlers.

**Red Marine**

Dysartes wrote:
Red Marine wrote:
Headlss wrote:
Idon't like troops. (Or tanks really)

I like Bikes and walkers. Calvary and beasts are Awesomesauce. Deamons and Carnifexs are cool. Heavy weapons platforms are alright, even terminators are cool.

But I don't like troops. For this discussion troops are anything thats pretty cheep, slow, not too tough and not really scary in either shooting or melee.

So how do I avoid them? Is there anyone that can take something like bikes or warwalkers as a troop choice?

I know I don't have to take a batalion detachment but that is the best way to get Command points, and i like command points, ad you might guess I'm a toys before boys kind of guy.

Cavalry.
Calvary.

Maybe the OP is originally from Georgia, Virginia or Wisconsin, and really likes one of the cities called Calvary?

Calgary?

**Headlss**

Red Marine wrote:
Dysartes wrote:
Red Marine wrote:
Headlss wrote:
Idon't like troops. (Or tanks really)

I like Bikes and walkers. Calvary and beasts are Awesomesauce. Deamons and Carnifexs are cool. Heavy weapons platforms are alright, even terminators are cool.

But I don't like troops. For this discussion troops are anything thats pretty cheep, slow, not too tough and not really scary in either shooting or melee.

So how do I avoid them? Is there anyone that can take something like bikes or warwalkers as a troop choice?

I know I don't have to take a batalion detachment but that is the best way to get Command points, and i like command points, ad you might guess I'm a toys before boys kind of guy.

Cavalry.
Calvary.

Maybe the OP is originally from Georgia, Virginia or Wisconsin, and really likes one of the cities called Calvary?

Calgary?

Close

**Cheeslord**

Ork Cult of Speed? Stick a couple of minimum squads of boyz in trukks, never disembark them and consider them to be extra dakka turrets that might keep shooting a bit after the trukk is blown up.

**Strg Alt**

@OP:

40K is apparently the wrong game for you. Try MtG.

**Melissia**

That's uncalled for. The low level spammable commons in Red are a powerful part of the current meta, so he couldn't get away from "troops" in MtG either XD

**AnomanderRake**

Strg Alt wrote:
@OP:

40K is apparently the wrong game for you. Try MtG.

So "CMC-1 cards are dumb, how do I avoid them?" is a less difficult question?