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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Nothing wrong with a lager in certain situations, same as nothing wrong with an ale. For example on a hot sunny day with a bbq I'd much rather have a bottle of stella than a warm pint of hobgoblin, but painting on an autumn evening I'd probably take the ale.

Everything has its place, I get folks have preferences but don't make like you're better than others because you prefer something different.

Yeah, I was going to comment that after a day of yard work in July or August heat, I'm certainly going to grab a watery lager and not an IPA. And definitely not some dark beer or a ultra-hops stunt brew.

But beer snobbery is a very real thing *shrug*

 gorgon wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
Past that, pretty much ANY Belgian White will do, with Blue Moon being my typical go to. My wife Joy picked me up a sixer of a different brand, and it is more than adequate.

Allagash White is my go-to for domestic Belgian wheat beers.

Jotting that one down...

 Just Tony wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
Past that, pretty much ANY Belgian White will do, with Blue Moon being my typical go to. My wife Joy picked me up a sixer of a different brand, and it is more than adequate.

Allagash White is my go-to for domestic Belgian wheat beers.

Jotting that one down...

It's worth seeking out. I was at a wedding in Maine where this was the beer provided in kegs. I had a good night!

I was very happy to see it here in Old England last year with the Maine Beer Box at a Beer Festival. I took a couple of take out cans home!

 gorgon wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Nothing wrong with a lager in certain situations, same as nothing wrong with an ale. For example on a hot sunny day with a bbq I'd much rather have a bottle of stella than a warm pint of hobgoblin, but painting on an autumn evening I'd probably take the ale.

Everything has its place, I get folks have preferences but don't make like you're better than others because you prefer something different.

Yeah, I was going to comment that after a day of yard work in July or August heat, I'm certainly going to grab a watery lager and not an IPA. And definitely not some dark beer or a ultra-hops stunt brew.

But beer snobbery is a very real thing *shrug*

One very hot summer's day I was coming home after a long day's work, and a hot commute by train.

Where I lived then there was a great pub called the Red Cow right on the path home. You could walk one side of it or the other, but you had to pass by it.

I stopped in and ordered a pint of bitter, I can't remember what -- this was 15 years ago -- possibly London Pride since I was living in south-west London at the time. Anyway, it went down without touching the sides. One of the best pints I've ever had.

The barman said, "You must have been thirsty." I said, I'll have another.

You could say it's a case of any port in a storm, but a chilled lager probably would induce headache by brain freeze if you tipped it down in one go.

The Spotted Cow brewed in Wisconsin:
https://newglarusbrewing.com/beers/ourbeers/beer/spotted-cow

I don't even think you can buy those outside of the state (hence why I call my Wisconsin trip my "Beer Run").

 Kilkrazy wrote:

Spoiler:

One very hot summer's day I was coming home after a long day's work, and a hot commute by train.

Where I lived then there was a great pub called the Red Cow right on the path home. You could walk one side of it or the other, but you had to pass by it.

I stopped in and ordered a pint of bitter, I can't remember what -- this was 15 years ago -- possibly London Pride since I was living in south-west London at the time. Anyway, it went down without touching the sides. One of the best pints I've ever had.

The barman said, "You must have been thirsty." I said, I'll have another.

You could say it's a case of any port in a storm, but a chilled lager probably would induce headache by brain freeze if you tipped it down in one go.

Amusing comic strip, even got many things right.... including class 55 date and boom boom music.

A good bitter goes down well, a pint of heavy is even better. Pity it isn't easy to find 80/- down here, let alone any proper heavies.

Old Speckled Hen, Bombardier, 1845, Tsing Tao, Tusker, Murray's Whale Ale if I'm desperate I'll even drink Tooheys

Shame on anyone who suggests anything other than Bugman's fine brews! You call yourselves hobbiests? More like a shameful bunch of grobi!

I'm partial to a Durgan's Hellfire, but there is nothing exactly like a Trollbrew to be found anywhere else through all the mortal realms!

Of course, how could I fail to mention the classic XXXXXX, or the more refined 'Special' for when the occasion calls for it?

Last of all, if you need a drink dark enough to match a foul mood, I suggest a Blitzers Best, a stout which is stout enough to placate even the most oversized black orc!

Picked up a six pack of these last week at the Class VI store on post:

Good, not great, but I enjoyed a couple last night while chilling out.

That sort of fruit IPA are good in hot weather. The added fruit flavour is very refreshing.

I've just realised again what a super bitter Greene King's Abbot Ale is.

 Just Tony wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
Past that, pretty much ANY Belgian White will do, with Blue Moon being my typical go to. My wife Joy picked me up a sixer of a different brand, and it is more than adequate.

Allagash White is my go-to for domestic Belgian wheat beers.

Jotting that one down...

I will too, as I'm a fan of Belgium White. Lately I've been a fan of Guiness too. That's some good stuff there

For me Weihenstephaner Hefeweizen. Best wheat beer I've ever had.

 KingCracker wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
Past that, pretty much ANY Belgian White will do, with Blue Moon being my typical go to. My wife Joy picked me up a sixer of a different brand, and it is more than adequate.

Allagash White is my go-to for domestic Belgian wheat beers.

Jotting that one down...

I will too, as I'm a fan of Belgium White. Lately I've been a fan of Guiness too. That's some good stuff there

An interesting seasonal wheat ale I like is Winter Cheers from Victory. It's a little different than most holiday beers. It's not sweet or spiced the usual way...instead it has a banana-y/cloves/peppery spice thing going on with a bit of hops. Like I said, it's kinda different.

It'll probably be near impossible to find now though, so store that away for this December. (I'm local so it might still be hard to find outside of the area even then.)

I like white/belgian ales. Allagash, Hoogarden, Blue Moon, White Wit and so on

Weyenbacher / Victory are great brands otherwise

I quite like Czech beer.

Staropramen, Kozel, Bernard.

Belgian, German are great too.

Drinks giants defence craft eber branding...

A report from The Guardian about how the giant international brewers such as Heineken are buying stakes in craft breweries, or launching craft style beers which are actually produced in industrial quantities.

I'm not a H8R versus large brewers, but I do take issue with this modern idea of big companies passing themselves off as local by adopting a disguise. For example in Marlow, Buckinghamshire there is a local bookshop called (da daaaa!) The Marlow Bookshop. Or so you think. But actually it's a branch of Waterstones with different branding applied.

To me this is simply dishonest. If I want to buy books in a local independent bookshop, in order to support my local bookshop, I don't want to buy them in a branch of Waterstones.

The same principle applies to craft beer.

nareik wrote:Shame on anyone who suggests anything other than Bugman's fine brews! You call yourselves hobbiests? More like a shameful bunch of grobi!

I'm partial to a Durgan's Hellfire, but there is nothing exactly like a Trollbrew to be found anywhere else through all the mortal realms!

Of course, how could I fail to mention the classic XXXXXX, or the more refined 'Special' for when the occasion calls for it?

Last of all, if you need a drink dark enough to match a foul mood, I suggest a Blitzers Best, a stout which is stout enough to placate even the most oversized black orc!

The Bugman's stuff is actually quite good. Hellfire and XXXXXX are my preferences when I'm there.

Kilkrazy wrote:I've just realised again what a super bitter Greene King's Abbot Ale is.

I'd had some Abbot months ago, liked it, but couldn't remember what it was! That's jogged my memory, thank you!

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Drinks giants defence craft eber branding...

A report from The Guardian about how the giant international brewers such as Heineken are buying stakes in craft breweries, or launching craft style beers which are actually produced in industrial quantities.

I'm not a H8R versus large brewers, but I do take issue with this modern idea of big companies passing themselves off as local by adopting a disguise. For example in Marlow, Buckinghamshire there is a local bookshop called (da daaaa!) The Marlow Bookshop. Or so you think. But actually it's a branch of Waterstones with different branding applied.

To me this is simply dishonest. If I want to buy books in a local independent bookshop, in order to support my local bookshop, I don't want to buy them in a branch of Waterstones.

The same principle applies to craft beer.

I agree entirely!

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Drinks giants defence craft eber branding...

A report from The Guardian about how the giant international brewers such as Heineken are buying stakes in craft breweries, or launching craft style beers which are actually produced in industrial quantities.

I'm not a H8R versus large brewers, but I do take issue with this modern idea of big companies passing themselves off as local by adopting a disguise. For example in Marlow, Buckinghamshire there is a local bookshop called (da daaaa!) The Marlow Bookshop. Or so you think. But actually it's a branch of Waterstones with different branding applied.

To me this is simply dishonest. If I want to buy books in a local independent bookshop, in order to support my local bookshop, I don't want to buy them in a branch of Waterstones.

The same principle applies to craft beer.

I can understand to a degree, large companies owning stake in smaller craft shops. I typically see this move in terms of the quality of the small-time brewery. Usually its a local favorite that produces good quality stuff that wants to grow into a larger entity, but needs additional resources they otherwise wouldn't have access to.


That said, I personally think that those situations really need to be "hands off" approaches. Let that craft crew do their craft thing. I also agree with you on the "wolf in sheep's clothing" thing of the big chains acting/branding something to appear small/local.

There is a balancing act between taking the big brewer's cash for expansion and maintaining the quality of the local beer.

That said, a lot of the Scottish distilleries are owned by foreign companies and still produce their characteristic local whiskies.

I think there needs to be a legal definition for 'craft'. Small batch, traditional methods, high quality ingredients would be my starting point. I believe there is something defined in the US.

Back on to favourite beers. In my craft haul this weekend was a bottle of Buxton/Omnipollo's Yellow Belly. Apparently it is their last batch due to being hit by a cease and desist over using the name Yellow Belly. Such a shame, the beer is delicious. It's going in to the back of the cupboard and kept for a special occasion.

Herbington wrote:
I think there needs to be a legal definition for 'craft'. Small batch, traditional methods, high quality ingredients would be my starting point. I believe there is something defined in the US.

Back on to favourite beers. In my craft haul this weekend was a bottle of Buxton/Omnipollo's Yellow Belly. Apparently it is their last batch due to being hit by a cease and desist over using the name Yellow Belly. Such a shame, the beer is delicious. It's going in to the back of the cupboard and kept for a special occasion.

Can't they just make a suspiciously similar beverage named "Golden abdomen" or something?

I'm not much of a beer man, preferring wine or whisky, but when I do, I'm partial to a doombar, or chestnut mild when I come across it. Harvest Pale is quite nice on a summer's evening as well.

finaly a good thread on dakka. Have an exalt sir! Have two even!

I can always go to back my roots and trust in the lowly Polish 'Tyskie'.

However recently been into craft lagers and rando lagers sold in the supermarket.
My go to at the moment is "clean water lager"

It might be heresy but I feel it's worth mentioning low alcohol beers.

Recently I've been drinking more low alcohol booze on what I call "mushu" nights, in order to give my liver the several days a week recovery that doctors advise without resorting to soft drinks like lemonade.

I've confirmed that there are no drinkable low alcohol wines unless you are desperate. There are, however, several pretty drinkable low alcohol beers. The best of these are:

Becks Blue, Brewdog Nanny State, and Pistonhead Flat Tire.

The last two are 0.5% alcohol, and that makes a huge difference compared to most 0.~ percent brews.

The Becks is surprisingly drinkable for a 0.~% beer, though.

I would be interested in other people's experiences and recommendations of low alcohol drinking.

I recently became a convert to Doombar - up until a month or two ago, I was drinking lager or cider, and not enjoying it all that much - Doombar (and I presume, other similar beers) are much nicer to drink, to my palate

Doom Bar is a good beer. The same brewery has several other beers which are worth tasting too.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Doom Bar is a good beer. The same brewery has several other beers which are worth tasting too.

I give another vote in support of Sharps being a good brewery.