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My new demonette box i picked up has them on 32s. I have the older boxes too and those are on 25s.

When did you get them? GW website lists them as coming with 25mm (could be an old description). And the base size doc says 25mm.

So if they're freshly reboxed it might not be updated everywhere yet, because the doc still lists the Keeper of Secrets as 60mm, when the new kit comes with a 100mm. So it needs to be updated, and that may come with a base size increase.

I picked up the new box week of release. I have a bunch of older boxes of them and realized i needed 10 more so bought the new box and it had them on 32s.

It wouldn't be the first time that basing was jacked up though. I have had chaos models in the past sent with the wrong circle bases. I didn't even know plague bearers were 32s until someone on here mentioned it because my supposedly new boxes were still packing 25s.

My boxes have all been 25mm, including the ones I got from the SC boxes. I won’t rebase them. Sounds like you had a messed up box.

Wrath and Rapture was also all on 25mm bases.

I'd be surprised if they increased the base size and didn't do it then. However my impression is that base size does not get communicated around the GW system very well every time. We've clearly had several cases where balancing has changed a base size but never reported it to manufacture so we end up with loads of kits with "the wrong base size" in them which prompts GW to reverse the basesize change.


If GW were going to change the bases they should have done it for Wrath and Rapture or announced it by now - though the online document isn't updated yet so they could still pull a nasty surprise.

They didn't get increased. There was no new product listed.

He got the wrong bases, simple as that. And his previous bits of "mispacked bases" likely were just old stock not actual new stock.

Even so GW still need as nudge as the keeper is still listed on a 60mm base on the base size chart

Played one game with new tome, absolutely loved it and lost only because I forgot a factor in my Depravity Points. If like fast armies so it's my bag though. very squishy in places.

I'm not going to lie, after pouring through the book cover to cover about 10 times, I'm thinking this is the best of the Chaos gods books. Not counting Skaven, since they're the babies on the block. Nothing actually seems like crap, hordes of Daemonettes are probably the most terrifying battleline unit on the table, Seekers are the fastest thing in the game, and Keepers of Secrets are absolutely brutal force-multipliers and all-around beatsticks. I don't feel like this book is middle of the road at all; with Endless Spell access, I think this book is top tier. Like Disciples of Tzeentch level when that book first came out w/ the broken Balewind/Gaunt Summoner combo. Any opponent handing first turn in hopes of a double turn is basically SOL against this book.

However, there are a tiny handful of negatives: only three different battalion options and a cleansing of mortal options. Other armies have like 8 battalions...we get 3. But our big battalion is possible in a normal game (although nearly impossible to use, it seems; 3k is better). Minimal mortals (2 units, and the two hero mortal options have been retired). However, the positives definitely outweigh the negatives, and this army is fast, has a ton of attacks (6's to hit become 2-3 hits, depending on unit size), and the best trolling heroes there are (every hero can cause ASL and Keeper can cause a unit to attack twice).

But yeah, you can do waves of infantry, a lightning fast cavalry army (before even adding endless spell shenanigans), Hero-Hammer (we do it best with Depravity Points), or even the best (only) all-chariot build in the game. Slaves to Darkness are close, but no Hero chariot options (I don't think).

I would agree its stronger than khorne, nurgle, and tzeentch book.

I don't think it's top tier overall, but double/triple keeper could be.

The double keeper is pretty much standard in a competitive list right now (granted its still the baby days but thats what the powergamers are gravitating towards due to the depravity generation and damage output).

I'm doing a single keeper in my casual campaign list.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Nothing actually seems like crap, hordes of Daemonettes are probably the most terrifying battleline unit on the table, Seekers are the fastest thing in the game, and Keepers of Secrets are absolutely brutal force-multipliers and all-around beatsticks.

Daemonettes are certainly not the most terrifying battleline unit in the game, though. Fyreslayers and their Hearthguard Berserkers (Hemdar) IMO take the cake (although the army suffers from having to death-ball in one spot and lacks good board coverage, so it suffers in missions requiring it to spread out (or like Places of Arcane Power, requiring Artefacts and/or Wizards).

I don't feel like this book is middle of the road at all; with Endless Spell access, I think this book is top tier. Like Disciples of Tzeentch level when that book first came out w/ the broken Balewind/Gaunt Summoner combo. Any opponent handing first turn in hopes of a double turn is basically SOL against this book.

Meh I think it's a solid book, maybe 1.5 Tier or just below it. It's no DoK/LoN/FEC/Skaven though.

I think plague monks take the cake for most OP battleline(ish) unit, and among the most OP in the game overall. But max size daemonette units, like their bloodletter and plaguebearer buddies, are above the power curve thanks to max size discounts they don't deserve.

Keepers are one of those models made overpowered by allegiance rather than their point cost being inherently too low. Unfortunately it means they will probably need to go up, but then grand alliance chaos is only for running the everchosen battalions anyways in terms of serious lists.

So after getting a game with them yesterday, holy crap, Slaanesh is STUPID-good!! I wrote up a battle report here, but hot damn, I ended up with almost 90 depravity points on my third turn!! I summoned a KoS and a regular chariot on turn 2, an exalted chariot, Daemonettes and two MORE chariots turn 3!

Opponents: don’t EVER let Slaanesh cast Cogs. It’s an auto take for us, and you need to avoid it at all cost. Also, despite the chances of a double turn, don’t give us turn one; we CAN and WILL charge you from jump.

Honestly, I didn’t run an optimized list (although I will always take two Keepers because they’re the reason I started Chaos in the first place), and I still summoned like a fiend. And if an army doesn’t have a way to get ASF, they will get crippled by ASL. This just...wow. I could tell the book was great on paper, but in practice...just wow. This is the Slaanesh army I’ve been waiting for. And the wait was worth it.

Can you elaborate? I'm not sure how you could possibly reach 90. Who even fields that many 2+ wound models?

I’m about to start driving, so I’m just going to mention that I wrote up a battle report, that should explain it. I was amazed at how many points I was able to generate. Both of us were.
And opponent had Fyreslayers.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Can you elaborate? I'm not sure how you could possibly reach 90. Who even fields that many 2+ wound models?

Fyreslayers armywide core infantry became two wounds recently.

There was much rejoicing.

Then Hedonites happened.

I’m actually looking forward to fighting FEC. I got a taste for dismembering dwarves, now it’s time to give a proctology exam to some Bretonnia-wannabees. Idk if my other Chaos armies will ever even come off the shelf at this point.

Looks like a lot of the analysis people are rating HoS quite high after very solid performance since the book came out:



Seems like they hard counter FEC pretty hard (as the FB group is pretty much still scratching their heads about how to counter it).

Also, looks like one person in particular played against Slaanesh and had to undergo 7 CC combat activations before he could even pick a unit to fight with. So it's not just crazy amounts of summoning. A lot of Greater daemons will put your army in ASL so hard, that the entire army waltzes over you before you even get to strike sometimes.

As a Hedonite player, I can confirm the ASL ability is more bonkers than depravity. It’s not Ward-levels of broken 7th Ed Daemon shenanigans...but I have the Slaanesh and the Skaven book, and I feel more comfortable with winning the war on paper with my HoS than Skaven.

They are definitely a high B list. The strongest of the chaos lists, skaven not withstanding.

In the powergamer arena they will be difficult to steer to overall victory if they encounter any of the big-three, but from a casual player standpoint they will be providing plenty of negative play experiences to those not powerlisting.

GHB 2019 not withstanding.

Caveat: a great player using this force against a not-so-great player powerlisting with the big-three would be an even matchup and a good game.

IMO, it's the keepers. Without them Slaanesh is pretty well balanced barring multi-wound opponents. I think they will also become a little bit less summony as people realize it is only wounds caused by attacks and spells from the heroes that generate depravity (taking damage is from any source, dealing it is not) so wounds caused by chariot charges/blending, dark temptations, etc do not generate depravity.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
As a Hedonite player, I can confirm the ASL ability is more bonkers than depravity. It’s not Ward-levels of broken 7th Ed Daemon shenanigans...but I have the Slaanesh and the Skaven book, and I feel more comfortable with winning the war on paper with my HoS than Skaven.

Oh wow, that's... Saying something I suppose.

I've got zero experience personally playing Hedonites (they aren't a big thing in our local meta yet), but I could see my FEC (being quite glass cannon, but an extremely potent cannon in terms of damage output) being put to shame if they are forced in an ASL situation. It's almost a hard counter.

That being said: I don't think it's good game design to have one faction (FEC) being able to blast through most melee armies, but getting mauled by an army that forces you into an almost ASL across the line.

I knew about the “limits” on depravity. Endless spells also don’t generate DP. I got that many points with just my heroes causing wounds in CC (and the IEs shooting which are also attacks). But one spells causing DPs, two IEs with their ability and their shooting, the Keepers attacks, and somebody like Syll’Eske? You get points fast. I forgot to get myself about 2D6 worth of points too. Both abilities are insane. And yeah, Keepers are the bomb. Best GDs without any debate. To say otherwise is definitely madness.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I knew about the “limits” on depravity. Endless spells also don’t generate DP. I got that many points with just my heroes causing wounds in CC (and the IEs shooting which are also attacks). But one spells causing DPs, two IEs with their ability and their shooting, the Keepers attacks, and somebody like Syll’Eske? You get points fast. I forgot to get myself about 2D6 worth of points too. Both abilities are insane. And yeah, Keepers are the bomb. Best GDs without any debate. To say otherwise is definitely madness.

Apologies, I did not mean to imply that I was responding to your specifically. Pretty sure going against Fyreslayers is about the best situation for depravity generation you can get short of Bonesplittaz.

Or FEC? The musings on here seem to be that HoS was designed to fry FEC.

I think it is a matter of tactical play that (no offense to FEC players) they haven't particularly needed before. Against Slaanesh FEC really need to consider where when and how they engage, unlike many other armies where they just point and click.

And I’ll add that I don’t think Slaanesh will be point and click either. And you can’t go all heroes because of you run into hordes of chaff, you’re in trouble. You NEED those blocks of Daemonettes or Marauders or 20 Seekers. Even if it’s just one block for competitive builds. I think dual-Keepers are a must. I’m also thinking adding Kairos Fateweaver as an ally when running Shalaxi could be downright rotten. When you need that all-important 6...you got it.

Thats why for my for fun narrative list i only run one keeper.