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DS9, the first season is very skippable, just seen the pilot and the final episode. There might be one or two others but that's the essential ones.

After that it's a good 6 season ride.

For TNG, start with seasons 6 and 7, save season 1 for last. Or never.

 
   
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
DS9, the first season is very skippable, just seen the pilot and the final episode. There might be one or two others but that's the essential ones.


It's pretty much the first and last two episodes of the season and the scene where Sisko punches Q. Everything else about the first season is fairly forgettable. Duet I think is actually one of the best episodes in the series, but people generally don't talk about it because the subject matter is is pretty heavy (putting it mildly). The season actually has quite a few "good episodes" but almost none of them bear any real relevance to the series at large.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
yknow.
Despite knowing all the characters, and ALL of the movies and factions,
I have never seen the entireity of all Star Trek Series other than ENT, that was only because it was easy to watch, and all of Voyager, just not in order.
I feel like im missing out not seeing DS9, but it is alot of series.
is there like a list of abridged episodes to watch and which to skip?


You could try the list here:

https://www.geek.com/geek-cetera/star-trek-deep-space-nine-condensed-how-to-watch-the-most-story-driven-trek-1613741/
   
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
DS9, the first season is very skippable, just seen the pilot and the final episode. There might be one or two others but that's the essential ones.

After that it's a good 6 season ride.

For TNG, start with seasons 6 and 7, save season 1 for last. Or never.


Surely you can't recommend anyone miss 'Move Along Home'?

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
DS9, the first season is very skippable, just seen the pilot and the final episode. There might be one or two others but that's the essential ones.

After that it's a good 6 season ride.

For TNG, start with seasons 6 and 7, save season 1 for last. Or never.


Surely you can't recommend anyone miss 'Move Along Home'?

Grateast Episode EVARRR!! (Said nobody)


No match for the one where the Enterprise goes to Space Malibu and Wesley is condemned to death for stepping on the grass! Biting social commentary there!

 
   
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 jhe90 wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
But DS 9 was not a Federation station, it was a Bajoran one. Bajor probably had a veto about what forces the Federation could put in their system.

I agree, this should have been lampshaded, and I understand they wanted the show to be about the station not a ship, but it could have actually made for an interesting episode as the Federation moved to locate a half dozen ships at DS9 but Bajor becomes sort of like India or some other Non Aligned Movement country. Eager for help, but only as long as it came with no strings.


Yeah, makes sense to especially with how the kai acts at times. Take all thr benefits when you need em, shove it at em and screw em over when you want to...

That would be a interesting sustained storyline and tensions over the defense forces vs federation etc. Maybe disagreement about deploying marines to help defend the station etc.




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 Xenomancers wrote:
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Miles and Worf for me, both of them started as supporting players (Worf was the last major character added as a Klingon Marine and Miles was a nameless extra!) who by strength of acting and characters both became major players.

And Michael Dorn did it under a layer of prosthetics and some of the worse dialogue in history.

And Sir Patrick is definitely the best actor the show had.

But have to give points to Mr Spock. Probably the first alien in TV history played as both having a different outlook but also as sympathetic and relatable. While characters like Sulu, Checkov and of course Uhura were important statements I think Spock is the most memorable barrier breaker.


Am I only one who found Worf Really boring?

Episodes with him often turned into nap time.

And federation had some awful stratagy. Key location guarding a major stratigic location. Aka the worm hole. Its protected. the all off a heavy destroyer aka the defiant, and shuttles that have protective level of flak armour.

It's a huge station. With one small escort defending.

Should have a entire wing of them and least a cruiser or heavy cruiser stationed to provide heavier support and also to launch longer rnage missions.

The defiant is hardly geared up for long range operations. Hold them back as heavy escorts and pickets for the station. Least, 4-5.

In times of Crisis they do have entire fleets there. The first 5-6 season is really about the federation trying to get bejor to join the federation. Having been previously occupied by the Cardasians they were strongly opposed to military forces being stationed at DS9. They do build that station into a potent defensive weapon though. It holds off a fleet of 50+ Klingon Warships with almost no support. It also inflicts serious damage to the first Dominion/Cardasian fleet but is overtaken. In any case there are a lot of reasons why military forces aren't stationed there.


Yeah. In the end the station solo is a majorly armed upgrade of old self with dozens of launchers and thousands torpedos stock piled.

True. Though from any stratigic situation, it's pretty bad. The defences are ideal for a back water not the star trek eye of terror.

Hold Bajor you keep out a entire star empire out the war, and a major force ship and so wise.

No destroyer wings. No fighter sqaudrens to help counter boarding ships, no real heavy support in sector and limited defensive garrison.

I know there not a military faction but they really are behind the curve when there are massive threats facing them and there at the brink of a cold war half the time.

Yeah I see your point but as always with starfleet - their optimism with diplomacy undid them and once the dominion allied with the cardasians things got really skrewy. The Federation really wanted free access to the alpha quadrant - they didn't realize until it was to late that the dominion was dead set on galactic domination. The federation is not a military organization except when they have to be and they'd really prefer not to be. It's their greatest strength but also their greatest weakness.

In any case this is why I love Sisko so much. Dude will break the rules if he has to to win. Cause dudes a winner.
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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
yknow.
Despite knowing all the characters, and ALL of the movies and factions,
I have never seen the entireity of all Star Trek Series other than ENT, that was only because it was easy to watch, and all of Voyager, just not in order.
I feel like im missing out not seeing DS9, but it is alot of series.
is there like a list of abridged episodes to watch and which to skip?

a good portion of people will call it there favorite series. You are definitely missing something.

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DS9, moreso than any other Star Trek series imo, relies heavily on arc based story telling. Even episodes with unrelated premises often advance specific character arcs, making them important to understanding later episodes.

As a general rule, I'd say if you want to only watch the important parts of DS9:

-Start with Episodes 1/2, 3, 4, 7, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, and 20 of season 1. The rest of the season can be ignored cause it doesn't amount to much.
-In season 2 skip episodes 6, 9, 14, and 25. Episode 15 might be a bit of a stretch. Try it if you want, but imo this episode isn't bad so much as I find it so ham fisted it's no fun at all.
-Watch the rest of the series. There's only a handful of bad/unimporant episodes after the second season. Few enough I'm not going to bother listing them. There are a few mirror universe episodes that I think are fairly bad, but mileage may vary.

   
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I was not a fan of the DS9 mirror universe.

The premise was Spock succeeded in making the Empire peaceful, so it was conquered by Klingons and now everyone is a slave.

Yay peace and understanding?

 
   
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Yeah. MU episodes in DS9 were kind of overly dreary and kind of disjointed imo. They weren't very good.

   
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I was not a fan of the DS9 mirror universe.

The premise was Spock succeeded in making the Empire peaceful, so it was conquered by Klingons and now everyone is a slave.

Yay peace and understanding?

Yes, there mirror universe episodes aren't too bad though. Star trek series always have some really forgettable episodes but I woudln't say that about the mirror universe in DS9. More than anything they are frustrating because they interrupt the arc and the arc is REALLY good. I did really enjoy the episode where they built a mirror defiant and they got up close and personal with a Negh'Var-class where they couldn't target it. It was really cool. Some pretty entertaining alternate Worf and Garrek lines in that episode too.

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 LordofHats wrote:
DS9, moreso than any other Star Trek series imo, relies heavily on arc based story telling. Even episodes with unrelated premises often advance specific character arcs, making them important to understanding later episodes.

As a general rule, I'd say if you want to only watch the important parts of DS9:

-Start with Episodes 1/2, 3, 4, 7, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, and 20 of season 1. The rest of the season can be ignored cause it doesn't amount to much.
-In season 2 skip episodes 6, 9, 14, and 25. Episode 15 might be a bit of a stretch. Try it if you want, but imo this episode isn't bad so much as I find it so ham fisted it's no fun at all.
-Watch the rest of the series. There's only a handful of bad/unimporant episodes after the second season. Few enough I'm not going to bother listing them. There are a few mirror universe episodes that I think are fairly bad, but mileage may vary.

Well I found this so it looks interesting
https://www.reddit.com/r/DaystromInstitute/wiki/algernonguide_ds9#wiki_season_3
Been following it. When I last watched Ds9 i finished most of S1, so I did the last two and now im in quarks episode in the Gamma Quadrant.]
Im generally not watching the Meh and avoid episodes, and doing the Engage and "Just for Fun

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
yknow.
Despite knowing all the characters, and ALL of the movies and factions,
I have never seen the entireity of all Star Trek Series other than ENT, that was only because it was easy to watch, and all of Voyager, just not in order.
I feel like im missing out not seeing DS9, but it is alot of series.
is there like a list of abridged episodes to watch and which to skip?


start with TNG episode Sub Rosa (aka Dr Crusher and the Sex Pest Ghost that totally isn't Lasher), after that every episode will be not as bad as that one

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 Turnip Jedi wrote:


start with TNG episode Sub Rosa (aka Dr Crusher and the Sex Pest Ghost that totally isn't Lasher), after that every episode will be not as bad as that one



Sage advice both for Star Trek and life in general.

Excuse me, I now need to scrub my brain with bleach because someone mentioned Sub Rosa.

 
   
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I have seen alot of TNG episodes so I know that one LoL

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We've all been talking about main characters here so far. What about secondary characters?

My favorite two have to be Q and Lwaxana Troi. Indeed, the novel 'Q in Law' would have made a spectacular episode, or even a pretty good movie!

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Grand Nagus Zek is an incredibly memorable guy for someone who only showed up in about a dozen episodes. Moogie too.

   
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 Turnip Jedi wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
yknow.
Despite knowing all the characters, and ALL of the movies and factions,
I have never seen the entireity of all Star Trek Series other than ENT, that was only because it was easy to watch, and all of Voyager, just not in order.
I feel like im missing out not seeing DS9, but it is alot of series.
is there like a list of abridged episodes to watch and which to skip?


start with TNG episode Sub Rosa (aka Dr Crusher and the Sex Pest Ghost that totally isn't Lasher), after that every episode will be not as bad as that one



I don;t know; the one with the planet of racist caricatures of black people, or the one where the planet of Irish stereotypes and the planet of clones are forced by Picard to subject their women to a lifetime of sexual servitude don't come off well either ...
   
 
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