You know if space marines and chaos get terminator armor with their HQs...

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**Jidmah**

An Actual Englishman wrote:
My warbikes don't perform very well but Buggies aren't a complete waste of time any more.

They haven't been doing wonders for my, but they have done their job every game. Maybe we can talk about this in the other thread?

Agreed on all other points too except the belief that we lack a competitive build. We do have a semi competitive build (150 boyz, 120 Grots), it's just grim to play and nobody wants to use it.

That list didn't pop up at any of the top tables in recent GTs though, therefore I'd not call it competitive.

**G00fySmiley**

Jidmah wrote:
An Actual Englishman wrote:
My warbikes don't perform very well but Buggies aren't a complete waste of time any more.

They haven't been doing wonders for my, but they have done their job every game. Maybe we can talk about this in the other thread?

Agreed on all other points too except the belief that we lack a competitive build. We do have a semi competitive build (150 boyz, 120 Grots), it's just grim to play and nobody wants to use it.

That list didn't pop up at any of the top tables in recent GTs though, therefore I'd not call it competitive.

it depends who you rmeta is i guess. my meta includes the LVO champ and a lot of team brohammer so I am well aware of and have been on the spanking end of that chaplain list for practice matches. honestly though its kind of a boring list to play with and against.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Grimtuff wrote:
Argive wrote:
Its not just Orks..

Eldar have to use prince Yriel as an Autarch on foot or convert as there is no Autarch on foot model...
And yeah last time I brought this up I got told there isn't a problem and I shouldn't complain as all non marine players do is complain.

I'm sure there are other examples of the "no models no rules" BS fallacy.

There’s plenty. The Dreadknight GM being the most obvious. Also literally every jump pack character in the SM and CSM books.

The Jump Pack ones exist, just without the weapon limitations.

Don't give GW any ideas though!

**BrianDavion**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Grimtuff wrote:
Argive wrote:
Its not just Orks..

Eldar have to use prince Yriel as an Autarch on foot or convert as there is no Autarch on foot model...
And yeah last time I brought this up I got told there isn't a problem and I shouldn't complain as all non marine players do is complain.

I'm sure there are other examples of the "no models no rules" BS fallacy.

There’s plenty. The Dreadknight GM being the most obvious. Also literally every jump pack character in the SM and CSM books.

The Jump Pack ones exist, just without the weapon limitations.

Don't give GW any ideas though!

I mean in fairness the marine jump pack captain mini has a thunderhammer so Marines proably wouldn't notice anyway