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Truth be told, a MA warboss isnt very good anyway.
You're even slower, so daisy chain aura movements are morerestricted, and in transports you count as 2 models. And you still dont have an invul.

I'd try and find the AOBR boss on foot, or the Big Choppa dude (whose "Big Choppa" is exactly the same size as Nobz regular Choppa ).

I've also been using a head swapped Grotsnik model as a Painboy for a while, but might make a good base for a Cybork WarBoss.

Its not just Orks..

Eldar have to use prince Yriel as an Autarch on foot or convert as there is no Autarch on foot model...
And yeah last time I brought this up I got told there isn't a problem and I shouldn't complain as all non marine players do is complain.

I'm sure there are other examples of the "no models no rules" BS fallacy.

I am a marine player and I want to complain about no bike characters.

Currently we can bring bike captains but there are no official models outside of Khan on Bike. They used to have the chaplain on bike. Plenty of us Ravenwing players have converted characters on bike like a Libby and techmarine. But all lumped into legends :(

GW needs to start posting 'official conversion guides' to create a loophole in their no-model-no-rules policy and let us get a load of converted options back.

 Sovspot wrote:

So I need to find some loophole to make everything work, it's not the only thing gone. Looted wagons being only allowed in open play blows too.

Not having megabosses is big sad, but I don't see what the deal with looted wagons is.

A Gunwagon is literally a Looted Leman Russ Tank, and none of the battlewagon or trukk or whatever variants represent a specific mark of vehicle, just a category of looted and scrap-build vehicles. A Looted Leman Russ would be a gunwagon, a looted rhino would be a trukk, etc.

So if I’m controlling the NPCs, doesn’t that make me the GM?

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
As said above, there is a Legends Warboss in MA datasheet, but currently none in the actual Codex.

Similarly, it's a great shame that there isn't both a new model and new rules for a MA Warboss, because it makes so much more sense than a MA Mek.

yea but GW really hated the chapterhouse suit. They make a mega armored big mek in the meganob kit and not a megaboss.

it is a shame though. personally i have 5 or 6 converted ones. my latest 2 are the Necromunda Ambots. they are pretty cool models and you can throw on a warboss or nob head and a few ork gubbins and its good. $42USD for 2

nareik wrote:
So if I’m controlling the NPCs, doesn’t that make me the GM?

Yes pretty much, giving you all the power over the space marines.

 Argive wrote:
Its not just Orks..

Eldar have to use prince Yriel as an Autarch on foot or convert as there is no Autarch on foot model...
And yeah last time I brought this up I got told there isn't a problem and I shouldn't complain as all non marine players do is complain.

I'm sure there are other examples of the "no models no rules" BS fallacy.

There’s plenty. The Dreadknight GM being the most obvious. Also literally every jump pack character in the SM and CSM books.

nareik wrote:
So if I’m controlling the NPCs, doesn’t that make me the GM?

It's just become a buzzword for a certain section of the internet that lives off of buzzwords (Gamer spaces)

It doesn't have to make sense, it means bad

 WisdomLS wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 WisdomLS wrote:
Various units ( like the warboss in mega armour) that gw dont make models for have been moved to warhammer legends.

Each race has a free pdf of their site, go download it and get using that warboss

What model does the player use? There is no MA Warboss model.

You're an ork player, just smash one together ;-)

But seriously, you could slightly modify a Gaz model, new one is out soon so the old one will be nicely different. There is a meganobz kit that can easily be used to make one. I've seen some great versions made from the Necromunda "Ambot" kit - these are plastic and look great with just a simple ork headswap. Other options are to convert something from the Ironjaws AOS line, again not much work needed. Many options, your limit is your imagination....

Oh I'm down for kitbashing. But a new player who hasn't been in the game since 5th ed? How about a new player who's never played? Seems a bit unrealistic to expect a new player to find legends and kitbash a model that should, by rights, exist anyways.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Its not just Orks..

Eldar have to use prince Yriel as an Autarch on foot or convert as there is no Autarch on foot model...
And yeah last time I brought this up I got told there isn't a problem and I shouldn't complain as all non marine players do is complain.

I'm sure there are other examples of the "no models no rules" BS fallacy.

There’s plenty. The Dreadknight GM being the most obvious. Also literally every jump pack character in the SM and CSM books.

Don't forget chosen.

BrianDavion wrote:
I doubt very much it'll happen but it'd be nice if GW killed two birds with one stone and made the Ghaz box one that could assmble a standard WBWMA

Woah now! There is only so much design space available, and we've earmarked the rest of it for more space marine no-name heroes who've popped out of some hole in the ground and curb stomped anyone they see because feth you give gw money.


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 Argive wrote:
Its not just Orks..

Eldar have to use prince Yriel as an Autarch on foot or convert as there is no Autarch on foot model...
And yeah last time I brought this up I got told there isn't a problem and I shouldn't complain as all non marine players do is complain.

I'm sure there are other examples of the "no models no rules" BS fallacy.

Literally one right here.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Eldar-Autarch

That's the Autarch I've used with my Eldar for years now. It's full plastic and I think it came out in 6th edition. It's not even ten years old yet.

 Togusa wrote:

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 Argive wrote:
Its not just Orks..

Eldar have to use prince Yriel as an Autarch on foot or convert as there is no Autarch on foot model...
And yeah last time I brought this up I got told there isn't a problem and I shouldn't complain as all non marine players do is complain.

I'm sure there are other examples of the "no models no rules" BS fallacy.

Literally one right here.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Eldar-Autarch

That's the Autarch I've used with my Eldar for years now. It's full plastic and I think it came out in 6th edition. It's not even ten years old yet.

"On foot" usually means "no jump pack".

 Togusa wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I doubt very much it'll happen but it'd be nice if GW killed two birds with one stone and made the Ghaz box one that could assmble a standard WBWMA

Woah now! There is only so much design space available, and we've earmarked the rest of it for more space marine no-name heroes who've popped out of some hole in the ground and curb stomped anyone they see because feth you give gw money.


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 Argive wrote:
Its not just Orks..

Eldar have to use prince Yriel as an Autarch on foot or convert as there is no Autarch on foot model...
And yeah last time I brought this up I got told there isn't a problem and I shouldn't complain as all non marine players do is complain.

I'm sure there are other examples of the "no models no rules" BS fallacy.

Literally one right here.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Eldar-Autarch

That's the Autarch I've used with my Eldar for years now. It's full plastic and I think it came out in 6th edition. It's not even ten years old yet.

That's an autarch with swooping hawks wings which is its own codex unit...

Also he has mandi blasters, power sowrd, and fusion pistol. Autarch on foot has star glaive.. and no options for anything.
So yeah prince yriel is THE actual autarch on foot but GW wont market it as that because resons...

For the record, I dont really care. Im more than happy to kit bash and I have kitbashed both my own autarchs and yvraine. But a new player would buy this an its not a wysywig autarch on foot. Not that it really matters to us, BUT it seems to really matter to GW so why aren't they following their own policy lol.

Its the random removal of options and shooting from the hip implementations of their policy that simply doesn't work that I'm not happy with.

Just make a cool Autarch from the Dire Avengers kit. The Exarch as commonly built is in literally the same pose as Yriel. Add some bitz to personalize it.

Unfortunately we live in the era of Modern GW (TM). No models, no rules. They are terrified people will go to another company for a single HQ model that wouldn't even be able to be played in GW stores, when those same players pay GW for 99% of the rest of the army. Even when you could go full-GW model and use an Ambot or Ironjawz megaboss to great effect.

It's unfortunate, because companies like Kromlech make awesome Mega Armor Orks that can be sweet Warbosses, and I am sure have been in hundreds of armies in previous editions..

I get GW's point. They are just trying to protect the intellectual property that they ripped off of other companies so they can make money. They obviously half ass what they put out for xenos armies because they see them as inferior to space marines. They claim production schedules are the cause. How about supporting your two major games. If you don't have enough staff take the rules writers and make them produce the models. That way they can't screw up the next set of rules and require a dozen rewrites for them.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Its not just Orks..

Eldar have to use prince Yriel as an Autarch on foot or convert as there is no Autarch on foot model...
And yeah last time I brought this up I got told there isn't a problem and I shouldn't complain as all non marine players do is complain.

I'm sure there are other examples of the "no models no rules" BS fallacy.

There’s plenty. The Dreadknight GM being the most obvious. Also literally every jump pack character in the SM and CSM books.

granted If these where new models you'd only be able to take a jump pack on a Hammer Captain or a LClaw Lord

If you are getting any Has...

...you are no longer playing Kill Team

Damn. Forgot what an ugly fether that jump pack lord is.

Here's one: go into a gw store and ask for any Chaos Knight that isn't a Rampager or Desecrator. No model no rules my ass.

Yeah I think there is a real problem with warbosses this edition. There are no option either for a wb on bike or with jump pack, even in legend (when the bike option exists for big meks and painboyz, yay...) !

So we have one of the most hard hitting HQ in the game if kitted out (very well capable to down a knight in a single fight phase with stratagems) but you'll find it hard to get him reliably in combat except with the sacro saint deep strike and evil sunz faction trait combo which I think every one is getting tired of.

Wb on warbike isn't legends mate. He's legit.

MA warboss is in legends and my two old Thrakkas will be fresh out of use by next month unless I use them as such.

Maybe they should just keep selling the model as MA warboss.

In any case, I'm quite happy with how orks are right now. Codex was decent, no more need to bring a billion boyz to play at all. A large portion of the codex is playable in casual environments and we weren't doing to bad at the top tables before the supplement disaster.
Buggies are awesome models, fun to play and work well after their last point drop,
The mech workshop is a nice model, but fits in with all other faction fortifications in being utterly useless.
Da Red Gobbo was an an awesome model, and fun to just throw into random armies when you have 30 points to spare.
Unexpectedly, both the KFF mek and the warboss on warbike dodged getting moved to legends, leaving our HQ slot very much intact.
Thrakka is getting a new model after being rumored for almost a decade and we get the first grot HQ ever.

Orks do have some issues that need to be addressed (fix transports for feth's sake!), but it's not like GW isn't giving us nice things from time to time.

An Actual Englishman wrote:Wb on warbike isn't legends mate. He's legit.

Jidmah wrote:Unexpectedly, both the KFF mek and the warboss on warbike dodged getting moved to legends, leaving our HQ slot very much intact.

Wait what ? I'm looking at the codex right now and I don't see any WB on warbike anywhere.

IIRC they're Index options but not Legends.

 Jidmah wrote:
MA warboss is in legends and my two old Thrakkas will be fresh out of use by next month unless I use them as such.

Maybe they should just keep selling the model as MA warboss.

In any case, I'm quite happy with how orks are right now. Codex was decent, no more need to bring a billion boyz to play at all. A large portion of the codex is playable in casual environments and we weren't doing to bad at the top tables before the supplement disaster.
Buggies are awesome models, fun to play and work well after their last point drop,
The mech workshop is a nice model, but fits in with all other faction fortifications in being utterly useless.
Da Red Gobbo was an an awesome model, and fun to just throw into random armies when you have 30 points to spare.
Unexpectedly, both the KFF mek and the warboss on warbike dodged getting moved to legends, leaving our HQ slot very much intact.
Thrakka is getting a new model after being rumored for almost a decade and we get the first grot HQ ever.

Orks do have some issues that need to be addressed (fix transports for feth's sake!), but it's not like GW isn't giving us nice things from time to time.

I feel buggies are better but still need some points adjustments or buffs. you know my speed freaks style buggies planes and bikers. its still quite fun but not going to have any chance in a competitive setting.

 IronSlug wrote:
Wait what ? I'm looking at the codex right now and I don't see any WB on warbike anywhere.

Since CA2019, he is part of the forgeworld range, just like his only official model. Makes plenty sense when you think about it.


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 G00fySmiley wrote:
I feel buggies are better but still need some points adjustments or buffs. you know my speed freaks style buggies planes and bikers. its still quite fun but not going to have any chance in a competitive setting.

When playing orks right now, I'm always running warbikers+morkanaut+buggies+koptas+gretchin+shooty stuff with the usual smattering of HQs. The army had a steep learning curve, but since I've gotten more experienced with it, I'm absolutely trashing my opponents with it. You are not going to be beating top level competitive lists with it regularly (nor with any other ork army), but it's far from a waste of time to try.

 Jidmah wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:
I feel buggies are better but still need some points adjustments or buffs. you know my speed freaks style buggies planes and bikers. its still quite fun but not going to have any chance in a competitive setting.

When playing orks right now, I'm always running warbikers+morkanaut+buggies+koptas+gretchin+shooty stuff with the usual smattering of HQs. The army had a steep learning curve, but since I've gotten more experienced with it, I'm absolutely trashing my opponents with it. You are not going to be beating top level competitive lists with it regularly (nor with any other ork army), but it's far from a waste of time to try.

My warbikes don't perform very well but Buggies aren't a complete waste of time any more. Agreed on all other points too except the belief that we lack a competitive build. We do have a semi competitive build (150 boyz, 120 Grots), it's just grim to play and nobody wants to use it.

Because GW was lazy and stupid.

 Jidmah wrote:

 IronSlug wrote:
Wait what ? I'm looking at the codex right now and I don't see any WB on warbike anywhere.

Since CA2019, he is part of the forgeworld range, just like his only official model. Makes plenty sense when you think about it.


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 G00fySmiley wrote:
I feel buggies are better but still need some points adjustments or buffs. you know my speed freaks style buggies planes and bikers. its still quite fun but not going to have any chance in a competitive setting.

When playing orks right now, I'm always running warbikers+morkanaut+buggies+koptas+gretchin+shooty stuff with the usual smattering of HQs. The army had a steep learning curve, but since I've gotten more experienced with it, I'm absolutely trashing my opponents with it. You are not going to be beating top level competitive lists with it regularly (nor with any other ork army), but it's far from a waste of time to try.

oh yea they are very good to have a fun and even small tournaments where people are not netlisting the LVO chaplain lists. I was more talking medium sized tournaments/ top levels of play the buggies are not there... but like you said, neither is much else in the codex, GW really is bad at this whole balancing thing and once a year points is just not enough.