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NinthMusketeer wrote:I would have liked to see the C'Tan have split off shards of themselves as individual beings to control individual tomb worlds & appear on the tabletop, but have the core godlike entity remain intact. Then mix in that the shards on some tomb worlds have managed to get obliterated or trapped such that they are no longer present, leadership defaulting to Lords who may or may not regain personality in the process. Collectively, Necronsl motivations are ominous but also nonsensical, the unknown objectives of the C'Tan masters being diluted from the Shards which do not have the same cosmic comprehension, then diluted again when interpreted by Lords, and any of the above may be anywhere from cold machine logic to psychopathic.

Now people who want to have their old armies be the same they were have that, but room is opened up for characters with personality. And GW has model space to have C'Tan shard models without the whole star-god being squished into the context of the tabletop.

Actually would be fun to have a dynasty led by shards who escaped their prisons and retook control over their former necron slaves, although being a mere shard of the original entity limits their powers. Well, at list to me it would.

Matt Swain wrote:Personally I'm hoping they don;t screw up Szarekh. I kind of liked him in "Word of the silent king." It was made clear he does not hate humanity. He simply acknowledges they seek to rule the galaxy and this is incompatible with necron goals. There is no acrimony, just an acknowledgement of reality.

He can even respect humans, if you count sanguinius as human, he was said to have had some favorable opinion of him. He even had a mask made in honor of Sangunius.

The latest release on him says he is in fact sane. It said he feels all the emotions of a living being due to the sophistication of his brain, yet his mind is too strong to escape into insanity.

I hope he acts sane and reasonably, clearly having a bias towards his own people but not having and unreasonable hostility towards humanity. It could be interesting to see a rational mind in the 40k universe once in a while.

I hope too! Actually he'd be one of the very few if not only necron to not regard them as sub-species to be deleted from existence as soon as possible like the wilder necronhood. Maybe he could play a role in the quest to try to reverse biotransferance as well, maybe a few stories could be made out of these hypothetical attempts?




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 Insectum7 wrote:

 Matt Swain wrote:
We already had a nameless faceless enemy with no dialog and no individuality, just a mindless faceless mass of killing machines, the tyranids.

We didn't need another one.

And we really needed another faction with human-like personalities? There's way more of those than the alternative.

Killer robots from outer space really didn't need accessible personalities.

I'd say once more that anything detailed enough will inevitably become humanoid, because even something you want alien will need to be at least somewhat understood by the reader/player and as a consequence compared or explained with human points of view and concept. Plus whoever wrote it being itself a human being they will necessarely copy paste and then reorganise human ways of doing things, thinking, etc...

Having a race not feel human concretly means that you either give them as few traits as possible to avoid having to define or explain them with or opposed to human characteristics, which can result in something a bit plain, or go the tyranid way and make them bugs like, after all, it's different from us AND understandable to anyone. But I wouldn't go as far as to say that, say, hornets, are asteroid borne aliens infesting earth, even if they are 100% non human.

^What you're acknowledging is the basic fact that overexplaining something can ruin it, not unlike having to explain a joke. If you wan't something to remain alien and mysterious, then don't get into the details, and definitely don't attribute human qualities to it. This is where the Newcrons failed in my eyes. The best oldcron stories were/are the ones where explorers are experiencing the Necrons in almost complete ignorance.

Some of the most effective monster movies are the ones where you only catch glimpses of the creature, leaving the rest up to your own imagination. If you're going to do a full reveal, you better make sure it's spot in. The Newcrons are a total let down, imo. Clarity and over explanation has been pretty dissapointing.

One thing in my OP was the issue of whether or not trazyn was being a douche when he put the SOBs in a new exhibit instead of releasing them as he kinda sorta implied.

I mean, yes he implied he'd release them but didn't. OTOH, i think even ol 'trazzy had an idea what would happen to them if he released them circa m41 and they mentioned their loyalty to vandire.

At least he let them know that in the current time vandire was hardly beloved anymore.

He did respect the techpriest's wishes to be left conscious so he could run his algorithms and apparently let him send data back to the admech occasionally. I don't think trazyn was intentional cruel or sadistic, but he was so obsessed with his "mission" of preserving history it made him indifferent towards those he collected.

To be frank that passes as pretty dam nice by 40k standards.

 Matt Swain wrote:
One thing in my OP was the issue of whether or not trazyn was being a douche when he put the SOBs in a new exhibit instead of releasing them as he kinda sorta implied.

I mean, yes he implied he'd release them but didn't. OTOH, i think even ol 'trazzy had an idea what would happen to them if he released them circa m41 and they mentioned their loyalty to vandire.

At least he let them know that in the current time vandire was hardly beloved anymore.

He did respect the techpriest's wishes to be left conscious so he could run his algorithms and apparently let him send data back to the admech occasionally. I don't think trazyn was intentional cruel or sadistic, but he was so obsessed with his "mission" of preserving history it made him indifferent towards those he collected.

Plus Trazyn regards them as pieces of exhibition, I'd say he is by no means being on putposes "mean" to anyone. I'd imagine him most likely simply not giving a damn and enjoying his collection.

 Insectum7 wrote:
Clarity and over explanation has been pretty dissapointing.

You can say that about literally all of 40k nowadays no thanks to the HH series...

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
Clarity and over explanation has been pretty dissapointing.

You can say that about literally all of 40k nowadays no thanks to the HH series...

I wasn't going to bring it up, but yeah. . . :(