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Vallejo is everywhere I'd look, while GW is only at dedicated gaming stores. I usually buy my paints at the local hobby store so vallejo is more convenient.
   
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It’ll be interesting to see the price of these. They should be cheaper than the current range. High quality synthetic brushes can be hard to find because there’s a strong streak of, go sable or go home snobbery surrounding them, so the synthetic brushes you usually so in shops are low quality budget ranges. Interestingly, many artists prefer high quality synthetic brushes over natural bristles when working with acrylics. Acrylic paint is notorious in art circles for killing natural hair brushes fast.
   
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Synthetic brushes can't hold a point and you have to replace them much quicker than a good sable brush.

I'm guessing this is a simple case that GW are going to sell something that costs half as much to make but they will sell for three quarters the price of a sable brush.

   
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plessiez wrote:
Synthetic brushes can't hold a point and you have to replace them much quicker than a good sable brush.

I'm guessing this is a simple case that GW are going to sell something that costs half as much to make but they will sell for three quarters the price of a sable brush.



That’s because most of the synthetic brushes you see for sale are low quality budget ranges. That shouldn’t be an issue with high quality synthetic brushes. Winsor and Newton, for example, make excellent synthetic brushes.
   
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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
plessiez wrote:
Synthetic brushes can't hold a point and you have to replace them much quicker than a good sable brush.

I'm guessing this is a simple case that GW are going to sell something that costs half as much to make but they will sell for three quarters the price of a sable brush.



That’s because most of the synthetic brushes you see for sale are low quality budget ranges. That shouldn’t be an issue with high quality synthetic brushes. Winsor and Newton, for example, make excellent synthetic brushes.


This is true, but also they aren't "cheap" either. A quick check of a "quality" synthetic: Winsor & Newton Cotman #0. Available at a local Michaels for $5.99 USD. Compare that to a sable (not Kolinsky) Games Workshop S. Layer at $7.50. Rosemary & Co #0 (which I can only order online) is Kolinsky sable at $7.06. I have actually tried both the Rosemary and GW brushes, and to be frank they aren't far off -- Rosemary and Co are cheap but definitely not as high quality as Raphael. Winsor & Newton series 7 have gone way, way downhill to the point where I gave up on them completely and will likely never buy them again at their prices.
   
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Quasistellar wrote:
 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
plessiez wrote:
Synthetic brushes can't hold a point and you have to replace them much quicker than a good sable brush.

I'm guessing this is a simple case that GW are going to sell something that costs half as much to make but they will sell for three quarters the price of a sable brush.



That’s because most of the synthetic brushes you see for sale are low quality budget ranges. That shouldn’t be an issue with high quality synthetic brushes. Winsor and Newton, for example, make excellent synthetic brushes.


This is true, but also they aren't "cheap" either. A quick check of a "quality" synthetic: Winsor & Newton Cotman #0. Available at a local Michaels for $5.99 USD. Compare that to a sable (not Kolinsky) Games Workshop S. Layer at $7.50. Rosemary & Co #0 (which I can only order online) is Kolinsky sable at $7.06. I have actually tried both the Rosemary and GW brushes, and to be frank they aren't far off -- Rosemary and Co are cheap but definitely not as high quality as Raphael. Winsor & Newton series 7 have gone way, way downhill to the point where I gave up on them completely and will likely never buy them again at their prices.


I’m tempted to try Winsor and Newton synthetics. I’ve been using their series 7, mostly out of habit. The problem with sable is that natural hair is slightly absorbent. It’sideal for watercolours and non-acrylic inks, but much less so for fast drying acrylics.
   
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Dunno why people are criticising GW paints. I've painted for decades, I've used multiple brands from various eras and I've found GW to be the best of them, yes even when considering Vallejo etc (and it's not like I don't appreciate Vallejo, I have maybe 200 vallejo paints but I still find GW to be better). I'd probably use exclusively GW paints were it not for the fact that Vallejo has a wider range, and vallejo being slightly cheaper is a little bonus too.
   
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JWBS wrote:
Dunno why people are criticising GW paints. I've painted for decades, I've used multiple brands from various eras and I've found GW to be the best of them, yes even when considering Vallejo etc (and it's not like I don't appreciate Vallejo, I have maybe 200 vallejo paints but I still find GW to be better). I'd probably use exclusively GW paints were it not for the fact that Vallejo has a wider range, and vallejo being slightly cheaper is a little bonus too.


I agree. The only thing I don’t like from GW is their metallics.
   
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 Horla wrote:
KillerAngel wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 Irbis wrote:

Have you seen the size, versatility, and price of Vallejo range?


Yes. Have you seen the lack of wide availability of said ranges?

Maybe in Fargo, ND but Vallejo is fairly prevalent both online and in most gaming stores I've been to.
Miniature Market carries good stock levels, and at $2.90 a bottle.

I have never seen a pot of Vallejo for sale in real life at a shop and the shipping makes them work out around the same as buying a GW paint. I’ve bought some online but I don’t know about others here but when I’m buying new colours I like to see what it looks like in the pot at least. The Vallejo website is ok but certainly things like GW and The Army Painter are very different to reality.


My country has received minimal to almost no Vallejo during entire COVID due to distributor issues. I'd love to use more Vallejo, but getting it them is annoying, especially if I am ordering my by my lonesome. Then I have to pay tax, toll, and wait a few weeks for delivery. No such thing with GW paints that are easily available in hobby stores here.

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Vallejo is my favorite paint range due to it being the most versatile(From Basecoating, to glazing to layering to wetblending)
It is hard to get a hold of alot of the paint RN tho

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I'd be interested in trying these out for highlighting but I have a host of other preferred brushes for detail work.

And for paint, I am pretty much addicted to Scale75's various brands of paint. Vivid colors, relatively easy to get online, and the whites and yellows cover extremely nicely.

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 Eldarsif wrote:
 Horla wrote:
KillerAngel wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 Irbis wrote:

Have you seen the size, versatility, and price of Vallejo range?


Yes. Have you seen the lack of wide availability of said ranges?

Maybe in Fargo, ND but Vallejo is fairly prevalent both online and in most gaming stores I've been to.
Miniature Market carries good stock levels, and at $2.90 a bottle.

I have never seen a pot of Vallejo for sale in real life at a shop and the shipping makes them work out around the same as buying a GW paint. I’ve bought some online but I don’t know about others here but when I’m buying new colours I like to see what it looks like in the pot at least. The Vallejo website is ok but certainly things like GW and The Army Painter are very different to reality.


My country has received minimal to almost no Vallejo during entire COVID due to distributor issues. I'd love to use more Vallejo, but getting it them is annoying, especially if I am ordering my by my lonesome. Then I have to pay tax, toll, and wait a few weeks for delivery. No such thing with GW paints that are easily available in hobby stores here.


I've got a decent amount of Vallejo stuff, but it is harder to get than GW paint and buying from stores that offer a discount there's surprisingly little difference in the price between GW and Vallejo paint out here. Agree with the previous poster who mentioned they like to see paints in person rather than buying online. I do like GW's range, especially the bases, I reckon GW paints probably make up a third of my number of paints with the next biggest portion going to Vallejo and a smaller selection from Humbrol, Army Painter, P3 and Reaper, at least in terms of water based acrylics (also have Gunze, Tamiya and Testors for alcohol/lacquer/enamels).

In the end it's all good with pros and cons, wouldn't fault anyone for choosing any range over another. Competition in recent years has definitely helped improve the options.

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> I'm intrigued by the makeup brush shaped ones, but not really sure if I need more synthetic brushes. Unless these somehow are a significant step up from cheapo synthetics.

Not sure if they are, but I had a big terrain project (ObPlug: Dungeons and Lasers 3 KS) and bought a $6 set to top off an Amazon order.
Pretty convenient, but not a must-have.

> Winsor & Newton series 7 have gone way, way downhill to the point where I gave up on them completely and will likely never buy them again at their prices.

Same experience here!

I just paint to advanced tabletop, and colored primers followed by an Army Painter wash do most of the work. After that, my hobby paint of choice is whichever comes out of the bottle with the least flow aid...

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Layer brushes get cheaper, Base and Shade stay the same and Dry brushes increase in price.

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The prices aren’t that bad. I’m all for trying out a new synthetic line. And I need some new dry brushes anyways.
The Artificer Layer brushes are great and comparable in price to other kolinsky sables in my area.
I’m going to give a couple of these a go.
   
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 Ghool wrote:
The prices aren’t that bad. I’m all for trying out a new synthetic line. And I need some new dry brushes anyways.
The Artificer Layer brushes are great and comparable in price to other kolinsky sables in my area.
I’m going to give a couple of these a go.


If your looking for dry brushes just go cheap makeup bundle from amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/NEJLSD-Eyeliner-Eyeshadow-Blending-Foundation/dp/B07FFMGYFY/ref=sr_1_53?dchild=1&keywords=makeup+brush&qid=1621008479&sr=8-53

You can find even cheaper lots if you don't mind scrolling and narrowing your search. I picked up two 24 brush sets for under 10 bucks a year back. I just throw out the dry brush after a project and grab a new one for the next project. Dry brushes are a PITA to maintain anyway and you want something soft and cheap, I will never buy one from a miniature supplier again. Total waste of what they charge IMHO.

Incidentally you can also grab huge lots of synthetics as well. The quality is hit or miss, but at the price they sell them for on amazon the trick I find best is to purchase a few different sellers at a time, then repurchase in bulk from the best one. Use the other duds for applying washes or glue.

   
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 Red Corsair wrote:
 Ghool wrote:
The prices aren’t that bad. I’m all for trying out a new synthetic line. And I need some new dry brushes anyways.
The Artificer Layer brushes are great and comparable in price to other kolinsky sables in my area.
I’m going to give a couple of these a go.


If your looking for dry brushes just go cheap makeup bundle from amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/NEJLSD-Eyeliner-Eyeshadow-Blending-Foundation/dp/B07FFMGYFY/ref=sr_1_53?dchild=1&keywords=makeup+brush&qid=1621008479&sr=8-53

You can find even cheaper lots if you don't mind scrolling and narrowing your search. I picked up two 24 brush sets for under 10 bucks a year back. I just throw out the dry brush after a project and grab a new one for the next project. Dry brushes are a PITA to maintain anyway and you want something soft and cheap, I will never buy one from a miniature supplier again. Total waste of what they charge IMHO.

Incidentally you can also grab huge lots of synthetics as well. The quality is hit or miss, but at the price they sell them for on amazon the trick I find best is to purchase a few different sellers at a time, then repurchase in bulk from the best one. Use the other duds for applying washes or glue.


I keep hearing great things about cheap makeup brushes but I do worry about the environmental impact of something so disposable.
   
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They’re only as disposable as you dispose of them.

I suspect that they’ll stand up to say, a couple of years of dry brushing than they will make up application, because it requires different things from them.

Even a slightly knackered dry brush still has its uses once you’re used to it.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They’re only as disposable as you dispose of them.

I suspect that they’ll stand up to say, a couple of years of dry brushing than they will make up application, because it requires different things from them.

Even a slightly knackered dry brush still has its uses once you’re used to it.


I don’t think makeup brushes are designed to be cleaned. I did see a video somewhere of a guy trying to clean paint off a makeup brush and the minute he immersed it in water, the whole thing just fell apart.
   
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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They’re only as disposable as you dispose of them.

I suspect that they’ll stand up to say, a couple of years of dry brushing than they will make up application, because it requires different things from them.

Even a slightly knackered dry brush still has its uses once you’re used to it.


I don’t think makeup brushes are designed to be cleaned. I did see a video somewhere of a guy trying to clean paint off a makeup brush and the minute he immersed it in water, the whole thing just fell apart.


Just like with paint brushes, quality varies and especially with stuff like makeup and tools for it, you get what you pay for.

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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They’re only as disposable as you dispose of them.

I suspect that they’ll stand up to say, a couple of years of dry brushing than they will make up application, because it requires different things from them.

Even a slightly knackered dry brush still has its uses once you’re used to it.


I don’t think makeup brushes are designed to be cleaned. I did see a video somewhere of a guy trying to clean paint off a makeup brush and the minute he immersed it in water, the whole thing just fell apart.


You can clean them, I usually do when I use them for something small and quick. My point was you can have a life times supply on hand for cheap and if you decide to toss one you misused or had a particularly harsh project for you won't feel bad. I also buy cheap value packs of synthetics for applying washes, enamels, stippling etc. in various sizes. Makes zero sense to me to splurge on dry brushes but that's your call.

   
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My problem with cheap brushes is that the hairs often fall out. I'd rather spend the money on a good synthetic that will last me years, rather then go through a pack of 20 cheap ones that leave hairs on my palette, figures, and cleaning towels.

I've had my current dry brushes for over a decade, so spending a few bucks on another one that will give me the precision I desire and not leave hairs all over the place is worth spending $10 on. I mean, folks will spend $150 on a single model, and then cheap out on the brushes to paint it? I just don't get why that disconnect happens.

If it lasts even half a year at the GW cost, then I've gotten my money's worth.

I'd rather not be wasteful, and spend money on something that will last over getting cheap junk to toss with every use.

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I found a pony hair brush that is wonderful for drybrushing.
But then again i spent 60$ on the Artis Opus D so im not one to speak.
I use cheap synthetics to basecoat however

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 Ghool wrote:
My problem with cheap brushes is that the hairs often fall out. I'd rather spend the money on a good synthetic that will last me years, rather then go through a pack of 20 cheap ones that leave hairs on my palette, figures, and cleaning towels.

I've had my current dry brushes for over a decade, so spending a few bucks on another one that will give me the precision I desire and not leave hairs all over the place is worth spending $10 on. I mean, folks will spend $150 on a single model, and then cheap out on the brushes to paint it? I just don't get why that disconnect happens.

If it lasts even half a year at the GW cost, then I've gotten my money's worth.

I'd rather not be wasteful, and spend money on something that will last over getting cheap junk to toss with every use.


I have never had those problems happen lol. I painted 1200 models last year alone btw. The only time I have had any hairs fall out from a brush was when I accidentally left one in my wash cup for a few days... days, because I have left them in over night and never had hairs fall out, usually the brass will come off the handle before that.

I suppose if you are using a natural hair brush and repeatedly used minerals spirits on it, but that isn't really relevant to the topic.

The price of the mini has nothing to do with quality painting either btw. You can spend a grand on a mini and paint it like crap, with zero technique and be happy. Has nothing to do with the discussion really. Are you implying expensive models should be painted with over expensive materials only? Seems silly.

BTW I started using the cheap make up brushes after learning the tip from some of the best mini painters out there like Vince Venturella so it isn't like this is some random advice from a cheap skate lol.

Have you ever painted with a makeup brush for drybrushing?


   
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 Red Corsair wrote:
 Ghool wrote:
My problem with cheap brushes is that the hairs often fall out. I'd rather spend the money on a good synthetic that will last me years, rather then go through a pack of 20 cheap ones that leave hairs on my palette, figures, and cleaning towels.

I've had my current dry brushes for over a decade, so spending a few bucks on another one that will give me the precision I desire and not leave hairs all over the place is worth spending $10 on. I mean, folks will spend $150 on a single model, and then cheap out on the brushes to paint it? I just don't get why that disconnect happens.

If it lasts even half a year at the GW cost, then I've gotten my money's worth.

I'd rather not be wasteful, and spend money on something that will last over getting cheap junk to toss with every use.


I have never had those problems happen lol. I painted 1200 models last year alone btw. The only time I have had any hairs fall out from a brush was when I accidentally left one in my wash cup for a few days... days, because I have left them in over night and never had hairs fall out, usually the brass will come off the handle before that.

I suppose if you are using a natural hair brush and repeatedly used minerals spirits on it, but that isn't really relevant to the topic.

The price of the mini has nothing to do with quality painting either btw. You can spend a grand on a mini and paint it like crap, with zero technique and be happy. Has nothing to do with the discussion really. Are you implying expensive models should be painted with over expensive materials only? Seems silly.

BTW I started using the cheap make up brushes after learning the tip from some of the best mini painters out there like Vince Venturella so it isn't like this is some random advice from a cheap skate lol.

Have you ever painted with a makeup brush for drybrushing?



I’ve used them all. And I don’t like make up brushes. Too soft.
As for thinking that everyone needs to use an expensive brush to paint everything?
That’s not what I meant at all.
I find it funny that gamers can spend hundreds, thousands even on models, and balk at ten bucks for a brush.
To me that’s a weird disconnect.

And just because some one internet famous uses something, or that they’re a ‘pro’, doesn’t invalidate anyone else’s opinions.
And since you’re whipping it out, painting 1200 models in a year doesn’t somehow make your opinion worth more. I could sit here and brag about how many models I painted last year, or how many contests I’ve won too. But let’s not make this a pecker contest.

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JWBS wrote:
Dunno why people are criticising GW paints. I've painted for decades, I've used multiple brands from various eras and I've found GW to be the best of them, yes even when considering Vallejo etc (and it's not like I don't appreciate Vallejo, I have maybe 200 vallejo paints but I still find GW to be better). I'd probably use exclusively GW paints were it not for the fact that Vallejo has a wider range, and vallejo being slightly cheaper is a little bonus too.


Only real issue i've had with GW paints is the pots they come in. They tend to dry out and get gunked up inside the pot, i've had to throw out several of their paints because of it.

 
   
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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They’re only as disposable as you dispose of them.

I suspect that they’ll stand up to say, a couple of years of dry brushing than they will make up application, because it requires different things from them.

Even a slightly knackered dry brush still has its uses once you’re used to it.

I don’t think makeup brushes are designed to be cleaned. I did see a video somewhere of a guy trying to clean paint off a makeup brush and the minute he immersed it in water, the whole thing just fell apart.

Actually, I saw one painting group recommend makeup brushes over mini ones to drybrush recently:




And yes, according to them cleaning them is pretty simple and quick:


   
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Unless GW has figured out how to make synthetic brushes that are totally different from the ones everyone else makes (fat chance of that...), I can't see any reason anybody would possibly want to pay between $6 and $10 per brush when the usual price for the normal good brands is half that or less.
   
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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They’re only as disposable as you dispose of them.

I suspect that they’ll stand up to say, a couple of years of dry brushing than they will make up application, because it requires different things from them.

Even a slightly knackered dry brush still has its uses once you’re used to it.


I don’t think makeup brushes are designed to be cleaned. I did see a video somewhere of a guy trying to clean paint off a makeup brush and the minute he immersed it in water, the whole thing just fell apart.


Having watched my wife clean her makeup brushes many, many times, I can assure you that they are absolutely meant to be cleaned.
   
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 DaveC wrote:
Layer brushes get cheaper, Base and Shade stay the same and Dry brushes increase in price.


For the price of one Citadel FineBrush, I can get a 2 pack (twenty brushes) of BOSOBO Paint Brushes.


 
   
 
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