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Who the hell thought it was a bright idea to photograph all white brushes in front of an all white back drop lol.

Despite having a product named contrast, they somehow fail to understand the concept entirely lol.

   
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 Red Corsair wrote:
Who the hell thought it was a bright idea to photograph all white brushes in front of an all white back drop lol.



Depending on the price I'll pick up one or two to give them a try and see how they compare to other synthetics I've used in the past.

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Not a big fan of synthetic brushes for miniatures, (inevitably the tips will bend with wear) but they're great for painting terrain. But for that, cheap generic ones from the hobby store also work great...

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 Arbitrator wrote:
Vallejo's had base texture paste for years, in 200ml tubs for about £10, as opposed to GW's 24ml for £5.


It's the absolute secret sauce, too. I've been using it on basically everything now. It's a little different, in that it needs to be painted and highlighted, and is a pain to apply, so I'd argue it's not an exact equivalent, since you can argue a handful of sand from the garden, PVA, and paint is basically the same thing.

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 Polonius wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
Vallejo's had base texture paste for years, in 200ml tubs for about £10, as opposed to GW's 24ml for £5.


It's a little different, in that it needs to be painted and highlighted

Is that any different to GW's Texture Paint though? Even if they're using something like mud or sand, even their own tutorials wash/drybrush over it.
   
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I'm not a GW White Knight, but I find their regular brushes are one of the few things I will splurge on.

I've tried other sable brushes, whether from art stores or Reaper and they always fish hook on me. So it makes painting a chore rather than the enjoyable hobby I'm supposed to be indulging in.

YWMV...


 
   
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Macon, GA

 Arbitrator wrote:
 Polonius wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
Vallejo's had base texture paste for years, in 200ml tubs for about £10, as opposed to GW's 24ml for £5.


It's a little different, in that it needs to be painted and highlighted

Is that any different to GW's Texture Paint though? Even if they're using something like mud or sand, even their own tutorials wash/drybrush over it.


In practice, yeah. You either need to apply it prior to priming (which isn't hard) or you end up having to throw a lot of paint on it, because it's thirty.

You can glue a few rocks to a base, prime it, paint it,,and then add some texture paint, a wash, and dry brush, and done. If you like the colors they provide, it's a bit of a unique product. It's a more specialized product, but also more complete, if that makes sense. It's like uncrustable vs. making a PBJ.

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I'm intrigued by the makeup brush shaped ones, but not really sure if I need more synthetic brushes. Unless these somehow are a significant step up from cheapo synthetics.

I just upgraded my miniature brushes to the "industry standard" W&N series 7 brushes, but realized very soon that you cannot really use sable brushes on most of the actual painting work phases or they'll get ruined (no oils, enamels, washes, metallics).. Especially since I prime and basecoat with an airbrush. So finding synthetic brishes which would actually be high quality is an appealing prospect.

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 Polonius wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
Vallejo's had base texture paste for years, in 200ml tubs for about £10, as opposed to GW's 24ml for £5.


It's the absolute secret sauce, too. I've been using it on basically everything now. It's a little different, in that it needs to be painted and highlighted, and is a pain to apply, so I'd argue it's not an exact equivalent, since you can argue a handful of sand from the garden, PVA, and paint is basically the same thing.

The paste gives better results than just sand imo, and since it comes in neutral off-white it can be painted any way you want. It also applies much easier than the GW equivalent.
   
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 KidCthulhu wrote:
I've tried other sable brushes, whether from art stores or Reaper and they always fish hook on me.


I've only ever seen synthetics do that, are you sure you're buying sable? Give Raphael 8404 or Da Vinci Maestro Series 10 a try.
   
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Sables still split sometimes, but I'm not I've seen a real sable fishhook on me.

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 Polonius wrote:
Voss wrote:
 Polonius wrote:
I'm imagining this will fall into the usual situation for GW's hobby products: high quality mass market items at luxury good prices.


Are any of GW's 'hobby' products not just another company's average product rebranded and sold at a markup?


Very few, but they make a few things that nobody else does in the paint range. The texture paints for basing are unique as far as I know. Contrast paints were unique at launch, although we could probably litigate how different contrast is from a glaze. The dry paints aren't available in any range I know of.

I wasn't really talking about paints, but 'GW' paints have generally been someone else's for most of their history (coat d'arms made by HMG Paints, then passed on to whomever).

But textured paints are a thing that general paints stores and places like Home Depot and Lowes have been doing for decades.

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Texture paint is maybe the easiest thing in the hobby to make yourself and cheaply.

I have bought the Vajello tubs out of convenience during the winter, but I'd never in a million years waste money on GW texture paint. It's insanely priced for what amounts to intentionally low quality paint lol.

Seriously, craft paint and your choice of soil/grit etc. for texture.

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Mr. Grey wrote:
 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
Vallejo's had base texture paste for years, in 200ml tubs for about £10, as opposed to GW's 24ml for £5.


I remember when it was just their GW brand white glue that was the token "joke" product.

It's sort of depressing looking back over 20+ years of exposure to the warhammer hobby to see how corporate GW has become. The drift from a past where they would refer to non-GW brand products to help you build your own scratch built terrain or tanks out of deoderant containers, to every single article just being a gigantic advertisement for their myriad of products that you can find elsewhere for cheaper.

I'm finding it incredibly fascinating seeing how the new warfront for the Hobby™ is against 3D printing and how incredibly naughty it allegedly is to make anything yourself.


As one of the biggest companies in miniature wargaming with shareholders to please, GW has a vested interest in keeping hobbyists entirely within their environment. That's why on official channels you'll only see Citadel paints, GW hobby tools, GW basing materials, GW brushes, etc etc. Most other companies operate the same way - Privateer Press pushes their P3 paints and their P3(TM) brushes and their P3(TM) superglue pretty hard in the modeling videos they've done, too. You're also not likely to see non-Vallejo or non-Army Painter product used in any promo materials for those companies.


For GW, it also enhances recruitment. You can know nothing about the hobby, wander into a GW store and leave with everything you need.

Are their cheaper, comparable products? Sure there are. But there are also similar products not as suited to the task at hand. Convenience and product confidence for a slight premium in price.



I'm still a bit baffled that with the scrying mirror of all things available to pretty much every gamer ever that the apparent lack of even wanting to look outside the bubble is even a thing, especially as I've always taken them to be smarter than the average bear, and barring the odd snark I've long given up trying to deprogram the faithful

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I can't see how these brushes are any different than any other synthetic brushes except for costing 30x or more the cost.

Synthetic brushes for a set of like 15 or so at hobby lobby is $10. I bet these are around $15 each.
   
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 Turnip Jedi wrote:



I'm still a bit baffled that with the scrying mirror of all things available to pretty much every gamer ever that the apparent lack of even wanting to look outside the bubble is even a thing, especially as I've always taken them to be smarter than the average bear, and barring the odd snark I've long given up trying to deprogram the faithful


Choosing to use GW products doesn’t necessarily make one a mind-numbed robot automatically, either, though. As in many other areas of life, sometimes convenience wins out over quality or price. I can walk into many game shops around here and have a pot of Citadel paint in my hand now. There aren’t any other paint lines I can say that about. The closest hobby shop with Vallejo is a two hour drive. Online one would have to likely wait 2+ days. So, sometimes I choose now over later.

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 totalfailure wrote:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:



I'm still a bit baffled that with the scrying mirror of all things available to pretty much every gamer ever that the apparent lack of even wanting to look outside the bubble is even a thing, especially as I've always taken them to be smarter than the average bear, and barring the odd snark I've long given up trying to deprogram the faithful


Choosing to use GW products doesn’t necessarily make one a mind-numbed robot automatically, either, though. As in many other areas of life, sometimes convenience wins out over quality or price. I can walk into many game shops around here and have a pot of Citadel paint in my hand now. There aren’t any other paint lines I can say that about. The closest hobby shop with Vallejo is a two hour drive. Online one would have to likely wait 2+ days. So, sometimes I choose now over later.


Not only that but when you enter a store and don't want to buy anything but you are too socially anxious to just leave empty handed buying a pot of paint is a life saver.

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 totalfailure wrote:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:



I'm still a bit baffled that with the scrying mirror of all things available to pretty much every gamer ever that the apparent lack of even wanting to look outside the bubble is even a thing, especially as I've always taken them to be smarter than the average bear, and barring the odd snark I've long given up trying to deprogram the faithful


Choosing to use GW products doesn’t necessarily make one a mind-numbed robot automatically, either, though. As in many other areas of life, sometimes convenience wins out over quality or price. I can walk into many game shops around here and have a pot of Citadel paint in my hand now. There aren’t any other paint lines I can say that about. The closest hobby shop with Vallejo is a two hour drive. Online one would have to likely wait 2+ days. So, sometimes I choose now over later.


But that means you're not the person he's referring to. The people he's referring to are easy to spot, they'll be posting in GW product release threads making comments along the lines of "it sucks, I'm only buying two."

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I'll probably give them a shot. I use oils and enamels a lot which destroy sable hair. Synthetics will help preserve my better brushes.

As for price, that doesn't bother me as much as availability. I don't know about elsewhere, but in Ireland it's a pain to track down WN 7's or 8404's.

With GW, at least I can reliably source decent brushes, even if they come at a premium.

   
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Very happy about this, although being vegan I'd already gotten used to sourcing good quality synthetics. Da Vinci Nova is my go-to.

There is a bit of UK legal background to consider with these - At current, the UK government is planning to outlaw the fur trade and the bill has already passed its first parliamentary reading. It's something coming straight from the top of government and has the support of the opposition, so it's happening soon.

So, this range is something GW really had to develop, and do it properly in advance of the law change or risk being left without a product to sell.
   
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It makes me feel way less bad about grabbing cheap artist brand synthetic brushes for 90% of my mini painting now

 Polonius wrote:
The texture paints for basing are unique as far as I know.

Grab a tube of white acrylic coarse/fine primer paste, second tube of craft paint (because you're painting bases, not mini with it), almost identical result to GW basing paint (very hard to see difference once you shade and drybrush it) for similar price but you're getting 15x the volume and way higher color range instead of just like 6 predefined ones.

GW's hobby paints have clear advantages: availability, color matching, size of range, and all the cool effects stuff. It comes at a high price, but there is some stuff you generally can't find anywhere else.

Have you seen the size, versatility, and price of Vallejo range?
   
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 Irbis wrote:

Have you seen the size, versatility, and price of Vallejo range?


Yes. Have you seen the lack of wide availability of said ranges?

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 Galas wrote:
 totalfailure wrote:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:



I'm still a bit baffled that with the scrying mirror of all things available to pretty much every gamer ever that the apparent lack of even wanting to look outside the bubble is even a thing, especially as I've always taken them to be smarter than the average bear, and barring the odd snark I've long given up trying to deprogram the faithful


Choosing to use GW products doesn’t necessarily make one a mind-numbed robot automatically, either, though. As in many other areas of life, sometimes convenience wins out over quality or price. I can walk into many game shops around here and have a pot of Citadel paint in my hand now. There aren’t any other paint lines I can say that about. The closest hobby shop with Vallejo is a two hour drive. Online one would have to likely wait 2+ days. So, sometimes I choose now over later.


Not only that but when you enter a store and don't want to buy anything but you are too socially anxious to just leave empty handed buying a pot of paint is a life saver.

Also, GW paints are great. I used to be like "well GW paints are bad" and then I realized I actually like them.
No paint line is bad. All are equal.

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 Platuan4th wrote:
 Irbis wrote:

Have you seen the size, versatility, and price of Vallejo range?


Yes. Have you seen the lack of wide availability of said ranges?

Maybe in Fargo, ND but Vallejo is fairly prevalent both online and in most gaming stores I've been to.
Miniature Market carries good stock levels, and at $2.90 a bottle.
   
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KillerAngel wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 Irbis wrote:

Have you seen the size, versatility, and price of Vallejo range?


Yes. Have you seen the lack of wide availability of said ranges?

Maybe in Fargo, ND but Vallejo is fairly prevalent both online and in most gaming stores I've been to.
Miniature Market carries good stock levels, and at $2.90 a bottle.


Heh, need to change that, haven't lived in Fargo for over 2 years. Hard to keep track of when you move ~every 2 years. Over the past 20 years, I've lived in 10 different US locations and visited hundreds of gaming stores. Of those, literally only two didn't carry GW paints, but only about half carried Vallejo of any range variety. Of those, maybe a quarter carried the entire variety of ranges. Yes, you can get them online, but as stated up thread, convenience is BIG(especially if you run out during a session and need a color that day) and GW paints are more often than not easier to get conveniently than Vallejo.

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I have never once run out of a specific paint I needed halfway through a a project. If that really is a factor that's making your decision between brands then get an app or something.

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I see we’ve entered the “even suggesting something GW does has some value” is heresy part of the proceedings.

You can get the exact type of brush they sell for cheaper. Probably almost to a hair count.

You just can’t say that about the paints. I’m sorry, but sourced or not they’re a legit option fir a wide range oh hobbyist. I only use the goofier parts of their range, like the dry paints and some old foundations and washes. Personally, I find the price and pot design off putting, but that’s just me.

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I don’t think the modern GW brushes are bad (though the ones from a couple generations back I thought were terrible), but for a couple bucks more I can get a Reaper Kolinsky and they are far superior.

Unless these brushes are really cheap and make for good dry brushing I can’t really see a reason to have them around?

 
   
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KillerAngel wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 Irbis wrote:

Have you seen the size, versatility, and price of Vallejo range?


Yes. Have you seen the lack of wide availability of said ranges?

Maybe in Fargo, ND but Vallejo is fairly prevalent both online and in most gaming stores I've been to.
Miniature Market carries good stock levels, and at $2.90 a bottle.

I have never seen a pot of Vallejo for sale in real life at a shop and the shipping makes them work out around the same as buying a GW paint. I’ve bought some online but I don’t know about others here but when I’m buying new colours I like to see what it looks like in the pot at least. The Vallejo website is ok but certainly things like GW and The Army Painter are very different to reality.
   
 
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