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I've gotta say, I am enjoying Willow way more than I thought I would.

I am not saying it doesn't have any issues, because it does, but I got in from work last night, stuck it on and had a very enjoyable 40 odd minutes.

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I feel like I’m enjoying it more than I really should.

Many flaws and foibles, yet somehow it’s really entertaining,

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I loved the sudden flamethrower. What’s that? Don’t worry about it.

 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
I loved the sudden flamethrower. What’s that? Don’t worry about it.


Good thing it was not in the wagon….

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I assume he’s had it on under his cloak this whole time.

 
   
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Probably. The setting seems to have plenty of magic bound to physical items. I imagine a proper wizard thinks of his collection of arcane items the same way as a knife-happy rogue thinks of all his shiny blades, as something that's stashed away in multiples in pockets, pouches and quick draw holsters until you can't move anymore under all that weight.

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It is fairly dinky to be honest. A funnel with no visible external fuel source isn’t going to be particularly taxing to stash about one’s person.

And, the film establishes Willow as bloody good of sleight of hand, I don’t think it taxes let alone breaks credibility he’d have such things neatly hidden in his togs?

Also, given the original High Aldwyn’s implicit trickery (the bones say nothing, ignore the bird, follow the road, power being in one’s own hand) very inkeeping with the established background. Was it magical? Or technological? Doesn’t really matter in context. It works, and it did the job.

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The external fuel source was Definitely under his cloak, there was a hose running from it to back there, thus my comment it’s probably been back there the whole time.

 
   
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In a following scene Boorman is shown carrying the backpack in his hand and I likely overlooked Willow wearing a backpack previously.

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Episode 6.

It still remains all over the shop. But this is a fun show. It’s not trying to be dark and gritty, or ironic, or anything other than the fun.


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I bet that
Spoiler:
the girl at the very end is the Crone.
   
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 Shadow Walker wrote:
I bet that
Spoiler:
the girl at the very end is the Crone.


That is

Spoiler:
a distinct possibility,


So I have to wonder.

Spoiler:
Kit's bro obviously drank the yellow juice. Can't blame him, it might just beat dying of thirst.

What about Kit? She broke through the amber crust. Is that plain old water underneath or also yellow juice that she might have ingested while drowning?

Anyone reckon they're going somewhere with that or is it me overthinking things?

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Episode 6.

It still remains all over the shop. But this is a fun show. It’s not trying to be dark and gritty, or ironic, or anything other than the fun.



It is definitely all over the shop… the characterization of the trolls really confused me. But yeah, since it is all over the place I feel as a viewer that I do not need to take it very seriously and just have fun with the bits I enjoy while glossing over bits I don't.

Spoiler:
For example I really like Christian Slater so his character, thin as it is, was quite fun while he lasted. When he slipped and fell at one point after running through a doorway, while making inane comments, I thought “we become the masks we wear and he really has become Madmartigan.” From the urbane personality of the Troll leader (satirical jab at Jackson‘s Goblin King in the Hobbit?) to the yellow “distilled evil” fluid (I kept thinking of Time Bandits at this point) it was all rather silly but it was also admittedly fun.

Which was quite jarring with the not-fun weird shouting match scene between Kit and Elora. I am rather tired of Kit and her “daddy issues” as well as Elora's self loathing insecurity. I can see why Willow is always so grumpy.

Geifer I suspect you are in to something with the distilled evil. And I am pretty sure that woman is the Crone… but this show can be unpredictable at times.

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 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
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Which was quite jarring with the not-fun weird shouting match scene between Kit and Elora. I am rather tired of Kit and her “daddy issues” as well as Elora's self loathing insecurity. I can see why Willow is always so grumpy.


Spoiler:
I don't think they have a choice with Elora. As much as the show and the movie are called Willow, she's the chosen one who is supposed to bring balance to the Force nuke evil as the ultimate sorceress with the power of prophecy or something. It's not unexpected that she can't have substantial powers until the end of the show or else she's just going to solve the party's problems with more ease than she already does. The ramp up makes narrative sense.

As for Kit, quick resolution doesn't seem to be what the show is about. Whenever things seem to go well for even a bit, boom! Things go sideways. The show is kind of built on it. So she never gets a chance.

In my opinion these two work together quite well, though. Kit has problems with Elora when she's supposed to have power but turns out to be useless, because Kit could really use someone with power to save her brother. Then when she's finally coming around to giving Elora credit, Elora gets in the way of what Kit wants more than anything and she's back to struggling with how she's supposed to deal with Elora. It fits right in with Elora's struggle to learn her magic powers. As long as she doesn't have power and use it in a way that benefits Kit in a substantial way, to Kit Kit is the heroine of the story, her brother is the object of the party's quest and her dad gets added as a main quest goal along the way. As long as she can't save bro or dad, or see Elora actually help with that, there is reason for friction.

I find Kit's lasting issues with Elora quite characterful, and honestly more satisfying than them working things out quickly. And as you noted, we get a grumpy Willow out of it as a bonus.

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 Geifer wrote:
 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
Spoiler:
Which was quite jarring with the not-fun weird shouting match scene between Kit and Elora. I am rather tired of Kit and her “daddy issues” as well as Elora's self loathing insecurity. I can see why Willow is always so grumpy.


Spoiler:
I don't think they have a choice with Elora. As much as the show and the movie are called Willow, she's the chosen one who is supposed to bring balance to the Force nuke evil as the ultimate sorceress with the power of prophecy or something. It's not unexpected that she can't have substantial powers until the end of the show or else she's just going to solve the party's problems with more ease than she already does. The ramp up makes narrative sense.

As for Kit, quick resolution doesn't seem to be what the show is about. Whenever things seem to go well for even a bit, boom! Things go sideways. The show is kind of built on it. So she never gets a chance.

In my opinion these two work together quite well, though. Kit has problems with Elora when she's supposed to have power but turns out to be useless, because Kit could really use someone with power to save her brother. Then when she's finally coming around to giving Elora credit, Elora gets in the way of what Kit wants more than anything and she's back to struggling with how she's supposed to deal with Elora. It fits right in with Elora's struggle to learn her magic powers. As long as she doesn't have power and use it in a way that benefits Kit in a substantial way, to Kit Kit is the heroine of the story, her brother is the object of the party's quest and her dad gets added as a main quest goal along the way. As long as she can't save bro or dad, or see Elora actually help with that, there is reason for friction.

I find Kit's lasting issues with Elora quite characterful, and honestly more satisfying than them working things out quickly. And as you noted, we get a grumpy Willow out of it as a bonus.


I agree with all this.

Ultimately Kit is with the party for the reasons they originally set out for on paper. The quest has changed, but she refuses to catch up.


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Episode 6 was all over the place and I'm here for it. I know there are issues but I'm genuinely enjoying a show that takes itself about as seriously as its source material. The actors are obviously enjoying themselves and I'm finding most of the actual acting to be quite good. Consistent characters with consistent behaviors and appropriate growth.

I'm really hoping this has a chance and that disney doesn't dunk it after a single season. I know that it'd get dunked on Netflix but at least Willow might have a chance. Also this feels like it's going to hold together really well once it can be straight streamed.

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It is definitely a very odd beast.

It is at the end of the day a stylistic mess, neither Arthur not Martha. Yet, somehow against the odds? It just works.

Episode 7 had a lot of progression, and remains pretty much enjoyable.

I think what’s working for me is…

Spoiler:
The characters, for the most part, are in unknown territory. They’re all competent in their own ways, but this adventure is more than any bargained for. So when they feel out of their depth, it feels organic and right, rather than forced.

I could definitely go another season of this

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 Shadow Walker wrote:
I bet that
Spoiler:
the girl at the very end is the Crone.

And I was right. Looks like
Spoiler:
she was corrupted the same way as Bavmorda and Airk now too
.
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It is definitely a very odd beast.

It is at the end of the day a stylistic mess, neither Arthur not Martha. Yet, somehow against the odds? It just works.

Episode 7 had a lot of progression, and remains pretty much enjoyable.

I think what’s working for me is…

Spoiler:
The characters, for the most part, are in unknown territory. They’re all competent in their own ways, but this adventure is more than any bargained for. So when they feel out of their depth, it feels organic and right, rather than forced.

I could definitely go another season of this


I agree. One thing for me is that there are some great pieces that often do not quite mesh together correctly but still overall feels ok. Not great but not a waste of precious time either. The soundtrack is definitely throwing me off now though.

I still feel like Kit and Elora are overdoing the drama. It comes across like pantomime.

Spoiler:
Mrs. GG and I would have liked to see Willow smile after Elora knocked him on his ass…. but also, for a wizard needing to save his magic so much so that he could not save his best friend he sure is quick to spend it now…. Oh and
Prince Graydon is also a real wizard who cause his flute like a magic wand now instead of just a learned noble who reads arcane texts? Confusing.


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I'm getting the impression that things are becoming a little rushed as we get close to the end. Like they ran out of screen time. Prince I'll Never Do Your Bidding turned into Prince I'm Yours To Command without any scene to show that progression, I think.

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After he drank The Funky Water to be fair. I’m wondering if Mystery Lass might actually be Bavmorda, and we’re seeing some Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey going on.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
After he drank The Funky Water to be fair. I’m wondering if Mystery Lass might actually be Bavmorda, and we’re seeing some Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey going on.


That would mean she made out with her grandson. Which... You know... Gross.


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You know what they say, there are only so many ways to keep your blood blue...

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I don’t think she’s the big bad, just another minion.

 
   
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 Lance845 wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
After he drank The Funky Water to be fair. I’m wondering if Mystery Lass might actually be Bavmorda, and we’re seeing some Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey going on.


That would mean she made out with her grandson. Which... You know... Gross.


Well, if anything drives you insane, surely snogging your granny is up there?

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Finale time!

Spoiler:
Well that was bloody good fun!

Overall, a pretty satisfying finale with decent action, nice effects and character development, even this late in the day.

And of course, now a setup for further seasons. Which despite this show be proper on the wonk, I’m absolutely here for! Oooh…shelf shown with Vols 1-3….

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That was fun! I like that for all their complaining about Boarman’s distractions, it perfectly demonstrated why you should always do those side quests for their gear rewards. Also a cameo from the two headed dragon monster!

I was going to complain that we never got to see Val show up to reprise his role, but then seeing the voice of Mad was credited to Jack Kilmer, I looked up his condition and it makes sense why he’s not in it so having his son do the voice is actually pretty cool.

 
   
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Yeah. Plus, it’s very much open for him to return in a future season.

For such a proper wonky show, I can’t quite understand why I’m so keen for more. As I’ve said many times before? It’s just….fun.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Spoiler:
And of course, now a setup for further seasons. Which despite this show be proper on the wonk, I’m absolutely here for! Oooh…shelf shown with Vols 1-3….


Spoiler:
Yeah, I was happy to see that. Now they only have to follow through.

Overall a good and fun finale for the season.

I'll have to rewatch the whole thing in one go down the line, see how the show fares if I don't have to remember what happened a month and a half earlier.

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Well, that was a great finale, for a show that has a lot of flaws it more than makes up for that with fun.

I actually can't remember the last time I enjoyed a season finale more.

Interestingly, my housemate, who is not a big sci-fi / fantasy fan, had no initial interest in watching this show based on social media comments. But each week they have heard me chuckling / laughing whilst watching and it piqued their interest.

So, this weekend we watched the movie together (they had never seen it) and aside from the two-headed monster bit it has held up pretty well and they enjoyed it. We then binged the TV series and both watched the finale last night and we both really enjoyed it and both are hoping for Season 2.

Which, considering some of the negative criticism isn't necessarily unfounded, came as a big surprise to both of us.

But, I'm all in for Season 2.

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