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I hated the episode. Everything from the awful script to the unconvincing plot and ridiculous mini-people in the robot. And the fact that Hitler didn't even feature as anything except an excuse to add said robot. Oh, and every scene with Mel.
And what the hell was the Doctor doing in a top hat and tux? And where did he find the cane? Do Time Lords just find random objects, pick them up say "Oooh, that's nice! You know what this could use? Some sonic-ing!". The whole thing was just a messy patchwork of things they wanted to put in other episodes but couldn't find the time, mixed in with a few one liners and the word Hitler to try and draw people in.
Thanks to this terrible mockery of a true Doctor Who episode, I have been balling my eyes out with rage for the past 2 days. In fact, I might just go upstairs now and shoot myself seven times in the face. I'll even leave a post-it note on the kitchen counter detailing exactly why I've resorted to this and who's to blame. Do you want a child's blood on your hands, Mr Moffat? I think not.
/Rant mode off

TrollPie wrote:I hated the episode. Everything from the awful script to the unconvincing plot and ridiculous mini-people in the robot. And the fact that Hitler didn't even feature as anything except an excuse to add said robot. Oh, and every scene with Mel.
And what the hell was the Doctor doing in a top hat and tux? And where did he find the cane? Do Time Lords just find random objects, pick them up say "Oooh, that's nice! You know what this could use? Some sonic-ing!". The whole thing was just a messy patchwork of things they wanted to put in other episodes but couldn't find the time, mixed in with a few one liners and the word Hitler to try and draw people in.
Thanks to this terrible mockery of a true Doctor Who episode, I have been balling my eyes out with rage for the past 2 days. In fact, I might just go upstairs now and shoot myself seven times in the face. I'll even leave a post-it note on the kitchen counter detailing exactly why I've resorted to this and who's to blame. Do you want a child's blood on your hands, Mr Moffat? I think not.
/Rant mode off

AGREE.

+1 agree , one of my least favorite Matt Smith episodes. As far as torchwood I like the actors, but not so much the writers.

Deathshead420 wrote:+1 agree , one of my least favorite Matt Smith episodes.

And that in itself says enough.

Im gonna rock the heresy boat , my fav Doctor is Collin Baker....thats right i said it, technocolor dream coat n all........ok maybe not the coat. Oh and as far as companions , hard to beat Perpugilliam Brown, unless your into gingers .

unless your into gingers .

If that's wrong, then I don't want to be right.

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

happygolucky wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:I agree with avatar completely.

Spoiler:

the whole use regeneration energy to save someone that is dead is such an overused cop out too

Well would you have preferred it if the doctor died?

Yes, then regenerated instead of not being able. I mean what the hell was "regeneration disabled"?!? How do you disable a biological function like that?

Rediculous. I've generally disliked the 11th Doctor's episodes.. but this one was just terrible. I absolutely hated it. Avatar was right, it wasn't even Lets Kill Hitler, it was Lets Save Hitler.

I think if we still had Russell T Davies, this Doctor would work very well. The terrible script writing is just unbelievably bad.

Anung, if you would, I'd be pleased if you could give an explanation as to why you enjoyed the episode so much. I can understand that different people will like different things, but I'm actually very interested as to how anyone could enjoy that episode.

That was the entire point of the poison that she used.

If you know that he can just regenerate, then why do it in the first place, unless you take away the ability to regenerate?

Also, how is using regeneration to save someone an overused cop out?

The only times things related to it have been used has been this episode and "The Stolen Earth" sequence of episodes.

what do you guys expect? It's not David Tennant, so of course it sucked! The episode would have rocked hard if it had some weeping angels in it instead of little people in a friggin robot.

OOOOH! Mini weeping angels in a robot FTW!!!!

Anung Un Rama wrote:I've skipped the last 3 pages of this thread to avoid potential Torchwood spoilers but now I've seen Let's kill Hitler and I need to talk about it.

This episode was soooo awesome! Okay, maybe that has something to do with the fact that I didn't get any new Doctor Who for months, but I loved it anyway.

Spoiler:

That's the thing about Doctor Who. You don't just do an episode about the Doctor travelling back in time to meet Hitler. There's also a robot of time traveling miniature people. How do they come up with this stuff?

The revelations about River were really fun, though they do a time loop explanation again, by telling River her name is River because her name is River. Missed some potential character development there.

While this could be an end to the River Song over-exposure some people have been complaining about, I really hope we get to see more of here as a kid. At least for Amy's sake.

I thought is was a great episode as well. Compare it to Torchwood and it's way better. Torchwood... brilliant idea / concept, but they just don't know what to do with it.

Wolfstan wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:I've skipped the last 3 pages of this thread to avoid potential Torchwood spoilers but now I've seen Let's kill Hitler and I need to talk about it.

This episode was soooo awesome! Okay, maybe that has something to do with the fact that I didn't get any new Doctor Who for months, but I loved it anyway.

Spoiler:

That's the thing about Doctor Who. You don't just do an episode about the Doctor travelling back in time to meet Hitler. There's also a robot of time traveling miniature people. How do they come up with this stuff?

The revelations about River were really fun, though they do a time loop explanation again, by telling River her name is River because her name is River. Missed some potential character development there.

While this could be an end to the River Song over-exposure some people have been complaining about, I really hope we get to see more of here as a kid. At least for Amy's sake.

I thought is was a great episode as well. Compare it to Torchwood and it's way better. Torchwood... brilliant idea / concept, but they just don't know what to do with it.

Please be joking.

Sure, Torchwood isn't amazing right now cause they're trying something new to make it appeal to Americans, but it's still far better than the current terrible state of Doctor Who.

Wow, I haven't watched the new Dr. Who episode yet (and getting doubts about doing so from reading your comments) but the new Torchwood Episodes are really terrible and if this is even worse, then I think this is the end of me watching the Dr.

But as killykavekommando already said - without David Tennant and a change in writers, the series lost almost all appeal. It's also not really family entertainment any more.

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

Wolfstan wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:I've skipped the last 3 pages of this thread to avoid potential Torchwood spoilers but now I've seen Let's kill Hitler and I need to talk about it.

This episode was soooo awesome! Okay, maybe that has something to do with the fact that I didn't get any new Doctor Who for months, but I loved it anyway.

Spoiler:

That's the thing about Doctor Who. You don't just do an episode about the Doctor travelling back in time to meet Hitler. There's also a robot of time traveling miniature people. How do they come up with this stuff?

The revelations about River were really fun, though they do a time loop explanation again, by telling River her name is River because her name is River. Missed some potential character development there.

While this could be an end to the River Song over-exposure some people have been complaining about, I really hope we get to see more of here as a kid. At least for Amy's sake.

I thought is was a great episode as well. Compare it to Torchwood and it's way better. Torchwood... brilliant idea / concept, but they just don't know what to do with it.

Please be joking.

Sure, Torchwood isn't amazing right now cause they're trying something new to make it appeal to Americans, but it's still far better than the current terrible state of Doctor Who.

You must be watching two different shows to me then.

The Torchwood production is slick, but that's it, the story is slow and hard going. When it first came out the concept of Torchwood and Captain Jack was amazing, but they fumbled the ball on it. What could of be an amazing series is dying. Where is the mystery and drama? After the 2nd season they proceeded to go down a path that led to Torchwood not being able to function. All the government stuff meant that Torchwood had nowhere to go, either the government was after them or they didn't trust the government. On top of this RTD has crowbarred in his homosexual agenda, which although I'm indifferent to, it's obvious that it's been crowbarred in.

Dr Who is a show for kids, with enough in it to keep the parents sat there. It's always been this way and people forget that. Stop treating it as an episode of The X files or Millenium. It's aimed at kids. If you're over 14 and keep whining about the stories or that the current Dr is better or worse than the last one then you need to get out more as you're obviously missing the point of the show.

Darkvoidof40k wrote:Anung, if you would, I'd be pleased if you could give an explanation as to why you enjoyed the episode so much. I can understand that different people will like different things, but I'm actually very interested as to how anyone could enjoy that episode.

Well, for one thing, I just love things that are completly over the top and ridiculous. And I'm also a big fan of using the third reich as background for whacky science fiction. And there have been very few Doctor episodes since the relaunch I really hated (Love and Monsters is one of the few).
I was a bit disspointed that they ditched the Hitler plot point so early, especially since they completly ignored the possibility of a Nazi/Dalek crossover. But then just using this as a set-up for bringing in yet another sci-fi element, just like they did in Curse of the Black Spot is what makes Doctor Who stand out. Moffat is obviously not satisfied with just throwing sci-fi characters in different time period and I think it works very well in the context of the show.
The robot certainly distracted from the whole Hitler story, but it was, again, a very original sci-fi concept hitting me complety unprepared, which is what I like so much about Doctor Who. And since it has been established on numerous occasions that they Tardis is far from the only Time Machine in existence, it only makes sense for the Doctor to encounter more time travellers himself.

Some people here seem to be angry about River using up her regenerations to save the Doctor. Now I can understand why this looks a bit like a cop out. Then again, what else could they have done. Killing the Doctor is just not an option. How many shows do you know where they can pull off killing the main character? Buffy did it, but I can't think of any other.
Obiously the Doctor's new enemies are very determined to kill him, so creating a poison that shuts off his natural healing ability is only a logical step. And since working out an antidote within the little time frame they had would've been even weirder, using someone else's regenerative abilites is also a logical conclusion.

And what exactly is the problem with the Sonic Cain? We know that the Tardis can build the Screwdriver (as shown in episode 501) so it's not completly out of the question that there is more than one screwdriver at the same time. And considering the Doctor's always changing wardrobe why shouldn't he own a Sonic device for special occasions?

So why did I like this episode so much? Well, I certainly didn't hate it. It had everything I wanted from a good Doctor Who episode. The Doctor being awesome, some nods to the previous contiuty (something which the last season lacked) a few answers, a few questions, Hitler getting punched in the face, Rory being awesome and some really weird new sci-fi concept.

happygolucky wrote:The only 11th episode I didn't like was victory... but then everyone knows why that one was so terrible (since I love daleks....).

I liked that episode! Yes, the Daleks are beaten every time they show up and sice they used to show up a lot they might have lost some of the threat they used to have but I still love them. It's obvious that they are very dangerous. They can't be reasoned with, they have instant death rays, they want to wipe out every other being in existance. But yet they still work so great as a comic villian. Everyone in the Who-verse takes them very seriously, because they know what they are and what they can do. But to the viewer they are still a floating trashcan. And yet they still work. Every time. Victory of the Daleks was so great because they made them even more ridicoulus, yet gave some credible reason for them to act that way. They needed the Doctor and they got him. And I was rolling on the floor for the entire episode because "WOULD YOU CARE FOR SOME TEA!" was just bloody hilarious.



Regarding Torchwood, I'm still in the 2nd season but it is getting better. What I felt was the problem so far, is that they rarely knew what to do with the concept. There were few episodes which really managed to go beyond "Monster of the week". The episode with the Alien whale thingy was one of them. My biggest problem with Torchwood is, that it's one of those shows were most of the problems the team ha could be solved if they would just talk to each other.

Anung Un Rama wrote:Some people here seem to be angry about River using up her regenerations to save the Doctor. Now I can understand why this looks a bit like a cop out. Then again, what else could they have done. Killing the Doctor is just not an option. How many shows do you know where they can pull off killing the main character? Buffy did it, but I can't think of any other.

They could have removed the death entirely. Why does a main character have to almost die in every other episode? Seriously. It's just getting predictable now.

TrollPie wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:Some people here seem to be angry about River using up her regenerations to save the Doctor. Now I can understand why this looks a bit like a cop out. Then again, what else could they have done. Killing the Doctor is just not an option. How many shows do you know where they can pull off killing the main character? Buffy did it, but I can't think of any other.

They could have removed the death entirely. Why does a main character have to almost die in every other episode? Seriously. It's just getting predictable now.

Well I would imagine that in this case it's about developing the character of River Song, what would make her change from being a ruthless killer to the Dr's future wife? I don't think someone having a quiet chat with her would of worked

Concerning Torchwood, they need to sort themselves out and decide what to do with it. Go back to basics and plan a long game. accept that John Barrowman can't be Captain Jack for much longer and work out away around it. Perhaps have an incident involving the Tardis that allows him to regenerate? Or work out some kind of traumatic incident that will cause regeneration. At least this way they know they can continue the character. At the moment they seem to have an eye on the limited time they have to use JB and it's having a negative effect. Storylines appear to be being written that are final or have half an eye on the option to continue.

I'm sorry, I'm still in the middle of season 2. What's the problem with Captain Jack?

Anung Un Rama wrote:I'm sorry, I'm still in the middle of season 2. What's the problem with Captain Jack?

He's immortal, he can't die. Which a bit of a problem for an actor. The following maybe a spoiler if you've not seen the epsiode in Dr Who

OK, so my friend watches this show and said it was good. I started with The Eleventh Hour as my first ever episode. I have no prior exposure to Dr. Who in any way and knew nothing about it.

I had a hard time with it. I didn't hate it per se, but I just really didn't get it either. Are all the episodes weird like this? Is there an overarching plot or continuity?

That red-headed Scottish lady on the show was so pretty it ached a little though, for what that's worth.

Wolfstan wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:I'm sorry, I'm still in the middle of season 2. What's the problem with Captain Jack?

He's immortal, he can't die. Which a bit of a problem for an actor. The following maybe a spoiler if you've not seen the epsiode in Dr Who

Spoiler:

Captain Jack appears to be "The Face of Bo", who is a giant face. This proves that Jack can age over thousands of years, but it is slow and you are probably talking tens of thousands of years. Obviously JB is a real person and will age, which will cause a problem if they want to keep the character going.

I knew that. But why can't John Barrowman be Jack anymore?

Anung Un Rama wrote:

Wolfstan wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:I'm sorry, I'm still in the middle of season 2. What's the problem with Captain Jack?

He's immortal, he can't die. Which a bit of a problem for an actor. The following maybe a spoiler if you've not seen the epsiode in Dr Who

Spoiler:

Captain Jack appears to be "The Face of Bo", who is a giant face. This proves that Jack can age over thousands of years, but it is slow and you are probably talking tens of thousands of years. Obviously JB is a real person and will age, which will cause a problem if they want to keep the character going.

I knew that. But why can't John Barrowman be Jack anymore?

Because in 5 - 10 years he will really start to show his age and not look like a character that takes tens of thousands of years to age?!

Ouze wrote:OK, so my friend watches this show and said it was good. I started with The Eleventh Hour as my first ever episode. I have no prior exposure to Dr. Who in any way and knew nothing about it.

I had a hard time with it. I didn't hate it per se, but I just really didn't get it either. Are all the episodes weird like this? Is there an overarching plot or continuity?

That red-headed Scottish lady on the show was so pretty it ached a little though, for what that's worth.

That was the first episode for Matt Smith...
They're all kinda weird, some are a touch scary but there gets to be an overarching plot eventually.

Incidentally i liked the new episode.
A lot of it was just waffle to get something to happen but i liked it.

Ouze wrote:................That red-headed Scottish lady on the show was so pretty it ached a little though, for what that's worth.

You'll get used to that, eventually it turns to a warm fuzzy feeling in your jeans.

Dr Who was okay on saturday, but wasn't enough for me to put down a new phone i was setting up. I expect it to get better next week.

As for Tourchwood what a drag that is turning into, literally. Episode 6 of 10 - Feth that, it feels like six years it is going so slowly! I am now in that annoying position where I'm not bothered about watching it but feel I must because I have wasted so much time on it.

Credit where it is due though I really liked the bit where they were killing Capt Jack repeatedly Initially just to show their mates and then eventually draining his blood. Really quite creepy, but you can sort of see how this might happen. Of course liking this could be because of the massive over exposure of John Barrowman and his fething Jazzhands!

Ouze wrote:That red-headed Scottish lady on the show was so pretty it ached a little though, for what that's worth.

Hands. Off.

I mean it.

Ah, us nerds. One glimpse of some wimminz and we rush upstairs.

Eh. I liked it. It wasn't the best episode I've ever seen, but it wasn't the worst either (I'm looking at YOU 7th Doctor).

Ever since they sort of removed the daleks from the series, dr who has lost some appeal. The power ranger taste the rainbow daleks were decent, but that was a while ago.
BRING BACK THE TENNANT... or a doctor that doesn't suck

I do have to say that I loved the antibodies and the segment in the tardis when the doctor is dying


'You will be alive for 31 minutes after 32 minutes you will be dead'

youbedead wrote:'You will be alive for 31 minutes after 32 minutes you will be dead'

That was just so bloody annoying.

notprop wrote:I am now in that annoying position where I'm not bothered about watching it but feel I must because I have wasted so much time on it.

That's where I am with Doctor Who.

Nah, Dr Who is light hearted family fun you can roll with it a bit more. Torchwood is serious business or at least someone at the BBC thinks it should be.

I can't see a new series being comissioned.

notprop wrote:Nah, Dr Who is light hearted family fun you can roll with it a bit more. Torchwood is serious business or at least someone at the BBC thinks it should be.

I can't see a new series being comissioned.

I reckon Torchwood will give up on America and will try to continue the franchise back here in Britain. I think they really need a series of individual episodes next rather than another, long-lived over-arching series plot. Well, sure, they need one, but not one continuous story every episode. A throwback to Torchwood's birth.

Doctor Who is just dull and boring. Another thing I dislike is when Smith has to portray the Doctor's "hidden anger" that we all know about, because he does it so badly. Tennant did an amazing job of it - his facial expressions, tone, body language and overall acting was far superior to Smith's, especially in this case.