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The value is only there if you are looking to fill a closet. For a backer who wants a box or two, the savings aren't there.

   
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And that's fine...it doesn't have to be a value for you. Perhaps you are interested in getting a product at a normal price and helping them reach their goal of producing a new line of miniatures. Kickstarter backing isn't intrinsically tied to getting the most bang for your buck.

It's not a crime that they're not throwing free stuff at people...which seems to be how a lot of people view Kickstarters nowdays with a rather immature disdain.

 
   
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 Elbows wrote:
And that's fine...it doesn't have to be a value for you. Perhaps you are interested in getting a product at a normal price and helping them reach their goal of producing a new line of miniatures. Kickstarter backing isn't intrinsically tied to getting the most bang for your buck.

It's not a crime that they're not throwing free stuff at people...which seems to be how a lot of people view Kickstarters nowdays with a rather immature disdain.


If that was my goal (buying a box and helping them produce new Miniatures) I would buy at retail.

Unless there is significant value, it is not worth it to pledge for a product that is a year out from shipping to me, plus I would have to pay that shipping

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What the...?!?

This one *still* hasn't funded yet?!?

Hard to believe, and at the start, I would've bet this one would've gotten at least 50% over their goal.

Shows why I'm not (usually) a gambling man then!

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paradise on the vitae (Florida)

 Mysterio wrote:
What the...?!?

This one *still* hasn't funded yet?!?

Hard to believe, and at the start, I would've bet this one would've gotten at least 50% over their goal.

Shows why I'm not (usually) a gambling man then!


It's because the boxes are at a Kickstarter price of 20% off retail, and you have to pay shipping a year in advance

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Hmmm something is off here the total jumped over €5,000 in one go it was at €117,186 last hour now at €122,275, even the retailer pledges don't cost that much, I guess a retailer might have gone in for 50 starter sets or however many unit boxes but it seems like a big commitment 7 months out.
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Someone's mother is looking out for her little big business man.

   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Someone's mother is looking out for her little big business man.


Ha! I bet you are right... Or they put in the money themselves under one of their friends accounts to guarantee this funds.
   
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That's great news to hear about the big increase today Looking good to make it past the line now which is great for Fireforge

If it was one retail pledger who committed in that way it works out at either:

Retail Pledge Option 1:
Around 21 of this option giving 252 boxes + 210 free extra boxes

Or

Retail Pledge Option 2:
Around 28 Starter Sets + 21 Free extra Starter sets

No idea if the jump was just one pledge or a combination of a few different.

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Yeah, I don't really see this as anything but a positive. Even if you assume the worst and they are surreptitiously donating money to their own campaign, I don't see the problem with them putting more skin in the game for an idea they believe in.

I think they are probably right that these kits will sell well at retail.
   
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 lord marcus wrote:
 MDSW wrote:
Final week and so close to funding. Everyone that has not jumped in should jump in for a box or two of SOMETHING! Plus, you can get an extra sprue of anything you want as well as some faction shields.


Not worth it with the retail price and having to wait a year. Easier to get 20% off and free shipping at retail


Sure - might be not as low as we have seen other KS prices, but still a decent deal and without helping this hit the goal it will be years if any of these get made, even if made at all. Plus, it is next May for delivery...

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paradise on the vitae (Florida)

 MDSW wrote:
 lord marcus wrote:
 MDSW wrote:
Final week and so close to funding. Everyone that has not jumped in should jump in for a box or two of SOMETHING! Plus, you can get an extra sprue of anything you want as well as some faction shields.


Not worth it with the retail price and having to wait a year. Easier to get 20% off and free shipping at retail


Sure - might be not as low as we have seen other KS prices, but still a decent deal and without helping this hit the goal it will be years if any of these get made, even if made at all. Plus, it is next May for delivery...


You are wrong, they have said even if they don't fund they will produce the kits


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 Gallahad wrote:
Yeah, I don't really see this as anything but a positive. Even if you assume the worst and they are surreptitiously donating money to their own campaign, I don't see the problem with them putting more skin in the game for an idea they believe in.

I think they are probably right that these kits will sell well at retail.


If they have the skin to throw in, perhaps they should have funded the kits themselves

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1000th post = 7/20/11
Look at our profits, now look at our sales, now look back at our profits. Sadly, sales numbers aren't in line with our profits, but it could be, now that we've introduced FINECAST(tm), slashed staff and raised prices. Look at my hand, its our annual report... look again, the report is now DIAMONDS. Anything is possible when you invest with GW. (I'm issuing a dividend.)

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 MDSW wrote:
 lord marcus wrote:
 MDSW wrote:
Final week and so close to funding. Everyone that has not jumped in should jump in for a box or two of SOMETHING! Plus, you can get an extra sprue of anything you want as well as some faction shields.


Not worth it with the retail price and having to wait a year. Easier to get 20% off and free shipping at retail


Sure - might be not as low as we have seen other KS prices, but still a decent deal and without helping this hit the goal it will be years if any of these get made, even if made at all. Plus, it is next May for delivery...


I think the value increases with the higher pledge levels. It’s not as good a deal at the lower pledge levels which I think has contributed to the slow funding, a lot of backers are going for the lower pledge levels and those levels are t the sweet spot so it’s tougher to get more backers at that level. If a large majority were backing at the two armies level, if all the EBs has been picked up the funding wouldn’t have been so slow. Maybe too many people have existing collections that are big enough to not need full armies that are as generic as humans and undead or maybe the time commitment of getting 100s of minis tabletop ready isn’t as appealing as it used to be. Clearly the campaign has t been the runaway success FireForge wanted but I’m happy it will fund and I’m happy the market will get more quality HIPs kits for fantasy.

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Let's not put the horse behind the cart here. It's still not funded. Maybe it will reach its target on friday, if Fireforge doesn't throw the gauntlet on the ground before.

And I wouldn't blame them if they do, honestly.

Besides, may 2019 isn't a year later from the campaign funding, and Fireforge already throwed their money in the project since they lower the stretch goals to funding even though they say they will take it on their own company's money to make it happen, despite it costing more than the target funding in the end.

True, that's what they said and you may not believe them if you feel like it - but their word is as good as another random guy like Marcus saying their own...let's say point of view on the matter. Isn't that ?

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Prestor Jon wrote:
 MDSW wrote:
 lord marcus wrote:
 MDSW wrote:
Final week and so close to funding. Everyone that has not jumped in should jump in for a box or two of SOMETHING! Plus, you can get an extra sprue of anything you want as well as some faction shields.


Not worth it with the retail price and having to wait a year. Easier to get 20% off and free shipping at retail


Sure - might be not as low as we have seen other KS prices, but still a decent deal and without helping this hit the goal it will be years if any of these get made, even if made at all. Plus, it is next May for delivery...


I think the value increases with the higher pledge levels. It’s not as good a deal at the lower pledge levels which I think has contributed to the slow funding, a lot of backers are going for the lower pledge levels and those levels are t the sweet spot so it’s tougher to get more backers at that level. If a large majority were backing at the two armies level, if all the EBs has been picked up the funding wouldn’t have been so slow. Maybe too many people have existing collections that are big enough to not need full armies that are as generic as humans and undead or maybe the time commitment of getting 100s of minis tabletop ready isn’t as appealing as it used to be. Clearly the campaign has t been the runaway success FireForge wanted but I’m happy it will fund and I’m happy the market will get more quality HIPs kits for fantasy.


If there were a level for one or two boxes that gave a discount even including shipping costs, or enough freebies for "value", I think a lot more people would have pledged, including me. Now, I'm content to wait for retail and save 20 to 25 percent with free shipping.

   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
 MDSW wrote:
 lord marcus wrote:
 MDSW wrote:
Final week and so close to funding. Everyone that has not jumped in should jump in for a box or two of SOMETHING! Plus, you can get an extra sprue of anything you want as well as some faction shields.


Not worth it with the retail price and having to wait a year. Easier to get 20% off and free shipping at retail


Sure - might be not as low as we have seen other KS prices, but still a decent deal and without helping this hit the goal it will be years if any of these get made, even if made at all. Plus, it is next May for delivery...


I think the value increases with the higher pledge levels. It’s not as good a deal at the lower pledge levels which I think has contributed to the slow funding, a lot of backers are going for the lower pledge levels and those levels are t the sweet spot so it’s tougher to get more backers at that level. If a large majority were backing at the two armies level, if all the EBs has been picked up the funding wouldn’t have been so slow. Maybe too many people have existing collections that are big enough to not need full armies that are as generic as humans and undead or maybe the time commitment of getting 100s of minis tabletop ready isn’t as appealing as it used to be. Clearly the campaign has t been the runaway success FireForge wanted but I’m happy it will fund and I’m happy the market will get more quality HIPs kits for fantasy.


If there were a level for one or two boxes that gave a discount even including shipping costs, or enough freebies for "value", I think a lot more people would have pledged, including me. Now, I'm content to wait for retail and save 20 to 25 percent with free shipping.


This distills one of my main points well. Thank you

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Look at our profits, now look at our sales, now look back at our profits. Sadly, sales numbers aren't in line with our profits, but it could be, now that we've introduced FINECAST(tm), slashed staff and raised prices. Look at my hand, its our annual report... look again, the report is now DIAMONDS. Anything is possible when you invest with GW. (I'm issuing a dividend.)

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Commission painting, fair prices = http://lordmarcus.wix.com/marcusminis
Hand painted or primed textured bases at 0.50 cents and up = https://www.etsy.com/shop/McDougallDesigns?ref=hdr_shop_menu 
   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
 MDSW wrote:
 lord marcus wrote:
 MDSW wrote:
Final week and so close to funding. Everyone that has not jumped in should jump in for a box or two of SOMETHING! Plus, you can get an extra sprue of anything you want as well as some faction shields.


Not worth it with the retail price and having to wait a year. Easier to get 20% off and free shipping at retail


Sure - might be not as low as we have seen other KS prices, but still a decent deal and without helping this hit the goal it will be years if any of these get made, even if made at all. Plus, it is next May for delivery...


I think the value increases with the higher pledge levels. It’s not as good a deal at the lower pledge levels which I think has contributed to the slow funding, a lot of backers are going for the lower pledge levels and those levels are t the sweet spot so it’s tougher to get more backers at that level. If a large majority were backing at the two armies level, if all the EBs has been picked up the funding wouldn’t have been so slow. Maybe too many people have existing collections that are big enough to not need full armies that are as generic as humans and undead or maybe the time commitment of getting 100s of minis tabletop ready isn’t as appealing as it used to be. Clearly the campaign has t been the runaway success FireForge wanted but I’m happy it will fund and I’m happy the market will get more quality HIPs kits for fantasy.


If there were a level for one or two boxes that gave a discount even including shipping costs, or enough freebies for "value", I think a lot more people would have pledged, including me. Now, I'm content to wait for retail and save 20 to 25 percent with free shipping.


I'm just curious to know: where you are able to buy fireforge games products with a 25% discount?

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My local FLGS regularly has sales for specific lines, as well as holidays like Black Friday, Memorial Day, etc.. For example, two weeks ago they had Warlord and Reaper minis 25% off and a similar deal on Renedra bases.

   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
My local FLGS regularly has sales for specific lines, as well as holidays like Black Friday, Memorial Day, etc.. For example, two weeks ago they had Warlord and Reaper minis 25% off and a similar deal on Renedra bases.


wonderful, what's the name of this shop?

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 Lord Ekard wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
My local FLGS regularly has sales for specific lines, as well as holidays like Black Friday, Memorial Day, etc.. For example, two weeks ago they had Warlord and Reaper minis 25% off and a similar deal on Renedra bases.


wonderful, what's the name of this shop?


You gonna threaten to not deliver to them anymore like GW?



 
   
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Vigo. Spain.

Yeah, thats probably not something you should speak about on a public forum.

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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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Naples

 Hanskrampf wrote:
 Lord Ekard wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
My local FLGS regularly has sales for specific lines, as well as holidays like Black Friday, Memorial Day, etc.. For example, two weeks ago they had Warlord and Reaper minis 25% off and a similar deal on Renedra bases.


wonderful, what's the name of this shop?


You gonna threaten to not deliver to them anymore like GW?


I'm just curious, our company was funded by someone that had experience in brick and mortar shop. What we know is that this small shops are the key to create more new hobbysts, more than clubs and gaming groups. Our company to avoid the creation of a bad market has deals and agreements that avoid sales to who discount too much our products. This means that when a brick and mortar shop or a distributor do something like a 25% discount on our products, will never get it anymore from us or from our distributors.
The idea that correct price to pay is the official price with a 25-30% discount is something wrong who damage only brick and mortar shops smallers. It does not damage distributors or companies.
So i don't care if this guy will take our products discounted (it is another question that we will not release anymore these figures without the funding of our campaign), my problem is that there is someone that is avoiding our market deals, creating a damage for other traders smaller and we don't know who is. I simply think that this guy has the hope that will find our products discounted in future...something that will not happen.

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So you want him to rat out his local brick and mortar store for daring to have special in-store sale events, so you can punish them in the name of protecting brick and mortar stores?

That is some brilliant customer outreach during a Kickstarter campaign, right there.
   
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 Psychopomp wrote:
So you want him to rat out his local brick and mortar store for daring to have special in-store sale events, so you can punish them in the name of protecting brick and mortar stores?

That is some brilliant customer outreach during a Kickstarter campaign, right there.


I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt (as does everyone). It isn't uncommon for retailers to set (and enforce) maximum discounts.

Bob and others, including myself, have decided that the time value and opportunity cost of our money is higher than the value Fireforge can offer for only a couple boxes. I will buy at retail, with full understanding that there is a risk they don't show up.

I like Fireforge and hope they succeed.
   
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But Bob's not talking about ongoing dicounts, he's talking about special event sales. And the timing and blatancy of pushing for the info needed to sanction Bob's FLGS seems like a poor PR move during a Kickstarter campaign that's looking like it'll need the final 48 hour push just to make basic funding.

But back on topic, I think Fireforge may also be underestimating the impact that the Kickstarter shipping estimates are having on the (KS + international shipping) vs (retail + domesteic/free shipping) equation for folks in the RoW regions.
   
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 Psychopomp wrote:
But Bob's not talking about ongoing dicounts, he's talking about special event sales. And the timing and blatancy of pushing for the info needed to sanction Bob's FLGS seems like a poor PR move during a Kickstarter campaign that's looking like it'll need the final 48 hour push just to make basic funding.

But back on topic, I think Fireforge may also be underestimating the impact that the Kickstarter shipping estimates are having on the (KS + international shipping) vs (retail + domesteic/free shipping) equation for folks in the RoW regions.


it's not something new made for bob's evil genius shop. It's our trader policy from the far 2012. What you don't understand is that final customer will always pay the shipping costs to get the products: this is why gw and all the companies have different trader form with different currencies. Just because you don't see that it does not mean that you are not paying more a product to cover shipping costs of the products. Bob will buy the models in US? Will pay them with a different exchange rate by the real exchange rate. Bob can get models discount in a good price only by resellers who do special events once or from other final customers. Shops who sell product with a 30% discount are working for a 3% net profit and this is really sad.

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I suspect it's more a wish than anything. So far I never found Fireforge products on sale with such a discount.

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You're edging the numbers up, there. No one's mentioned 30% off until that post right there. Before that, Bob mentioned 20-25% off, and you focused on 25%, because Bob mentioned other company's products were on a one-off sale for that much last week.

What I see more common is 10-20% online (and you can do your own damn Google search if that's something you want to sanction stores trying to get your products into the retail market) from retailers who offer lower/combined shipping or even free shipping over a certain total order. Perhaps that's only cost-effective for domestic US shipping for US retailers - I don't know, I'm not a retailer. But as a customer, it's a very nice perk that I appreciate, and makes me more likely to buy from a retailer.

The best scenario, of course, is a discount or sale at a FLGS, as the only shipping is that already baked - as you say - into the retail price, and you're getting a little extra off of that. I picked up some of your Teutonic boxes from a FLGS (that I sadly have moved away from) at a 10% discount because I was part of their frequent buyer program. Don't bother asking the name of that store, since they can no longer get your products after the old distributor for them folded, and even if they could, I wouldn't tell you.

The sad truth is, if I can get a few of these boxes at 10% off (even with your jacked-up exchange rate to cover the international shipping) after retail and free shipping, then it'll be easier for me to pick up a few boxes as I need them later. And I'll probably end up spending even less than I would have on an awesome crazy deal, even without the kickstarter discount. You failed to offer a deal (or event just an event...this Kickstarter has been very fire-and-forget on Fireforge's part) that overrode my "rational customer" thinking, so I didn't get crazy enthusiastic and go in harder than I intended to in my excitement.

THAT is what the crazy-deal Kickstarters are about. They're fun and exciting and override the customer's rationality. That's what Mantic and CMON are good at. "Why settle for the rulebook and one force, when for just $75 more you get the rulebook, both new factions, AND this third faction made entirely of old product we've already paid the production costs for from the last kickstarter?" Value and pizzazz, and this Kickstarter failed me (oh, I'm sorry, IN MY OPINION AND MY OPINION ALONE, WHO IS THE ONLY PERSON I SPEAK FOR ON THE INTERNET, THAT BEING ME, ALONE, JUST ONE GUY WITH JUST AN OPINION) in both. And now Fireforge is cruising a discussion forum thread on it to try and ferret out maximum discount violators rather than trying to...I don't know...stir up some enthusiasm for their Kickstarter. That still hasn't actually funded right now.

But that's fine. It means I still have this month's hobby budget to spend, and Crooked Dice is starting their 7TV Apocalypse Kickstarter tonight. I bet that one will be exciting...
   
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Typically, the products that get such special event discounts have sat for a long time and won't sell at their suggested prices or manufacturer suggested discount anyway. Many local shops have completely stopped carrying Mantic's KoW and Deadzone products, for example.

I guess I don't know if Fireforge was ever discounted so heavily. I really haven't kept track of sales and coupons I've used. I do own several of your boxes, especially the Mongols*, so I assume some portion of them were discounted enough to entice me to buy them.


*While I have your attention, please describe for me the design decisions involved with the Mongol kits, especially their faces. The faces really hold them back from being amazing kits.


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I would buy the crap out of some historical Chinese or Korean minis in the same scale, especially if their heads are good and swappable.


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I would buy the crap out of some historical Chinese or Korean minis in the same scale, especially if their heads are good and swappable.

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