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Apparently the Chaos Gods either can't foresee what will happen after they promote someone to daemonhood, or don't care about it enough to expect anything because once they turned those primarchs into princes most of them just secluded themselves to do nothing for thousands of years.

Props to Angron and Mortarion for staying active over the years, though. Love those guys.

They did bring the traitor legions, a gift that's kept on giving for thousandss of years.

Alsos what role have they played in the gods great schemes?
They may not have been active in real space but what about the warp?

jhe90 wrote:
They did bring the traitor legions, a gift that's kept on giving for thousandss of years.

Alsos what role have they played in the gods great schemes?
They may not have been active in real space but what about the warp?

Do'ho-ho!

WHat about those who are "promoted" into princes in battle only to be killed by a lascannon (or something more humiliating like a few guardsmen in melee)?

Do they forsee their newly choosen failing so badly? Do they regret it?

Well, since they are deamons at that point, they simply re-manifest in the warp to eventually do it again.

 Engine of War wrote:
WHat about those who are "promoted" into princes in battle only to be killed by a lascannon (or something more humiliating like a few guardsmen in melee)?

Do they forsee their newly choosen failing so badly? Do they regret it?

Its clearly to instate a sense of confidence before crushing them in the long run.

Just..



As...



Planned

As a CSM player I like to think the Chaos Gods know they are going to die shortly, and promote them to get their spirits up so that they can laugh maniacally as they are slaughtered on the field.

M'kar seems to simply be promoted for being a clown for all the Daemons to laugh their asses off at while observing his complete failures. I don't think M'kar even has a single successful campaign under his belt.

Ascension to Daemonhood is purely a reward. The Prince has proven themselves worth the gift already, and that's why they're a Prince. It's not because the patron God believed they would be an investment that would pay off later. Daemonhood can be granted for practically anything, from finding a lost artefact (even if accidentally) to burning whole systems in sacrifice, or just being liked by a God for whatever reason. By the same token, you could be a devoted, successful Champion of Chaos with innumerable victories claimed in service of the Dark Gods and never receive their boon. The Gods are fickle, and all that.

 Desubot wrote:

 Engine of War wrote:
WHat about those who are "promoted" into princes in battle only to be killed by a lascannon (or something more humiliating like a few guardsmen in melee)?

Do they forsee their newly choosen failing so badly? Do they regret it?

Its clearly to instate a sense of confidence before crushing them in the long run.

Just..



As...



Planned

You know, I vaguely remember hearing about Tzeentch granting followers daemonhood, and then promptly giving them a True Name that was something obscenely common....

Gifts of Chaos are entirely random, and the gods capricious and petty. You are as likely to be turned into a Daemon Prince at your moment of triumph as you are to be turned into Chaos Spawn.

nobody wrote:

You know, I vaguely remember hearing about Tzeentch granting followers daemonhood, and then promptly giving them a True Name that was something obscenely common....

Despair before the might of Simon!

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

nobody wrote:

You know, I vaguely remember hearing about Tzeentch granting followers daemonhood, and then promptly giving them a True Name that was something obscenely common....

Despair before the might of Simon!

Probably more like a daemon prince named run or aaaahhhhh.

Aren't they suppose to be fight in on other plains of existence?

OgreChubbs wrote:
Aren't they suppose to be fight in on other plains of existence?

When they're in those planes of existence.

kingleir wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

nobody wrote:

You know, I vaguely remember hearing about Tzeentch granting followers daemonhood, and then promptly giving them a True Name that was something obscenely common....

Despair before the might of Simon!

Probably more like a daemon prince named run or aaaahhhhh.

Or "fire!"

Or "The Emperor".

Or Throne of Terra.

Has any failed so bad they got demoted down?
Litiraly cast down from imortality

jhe90 wrote:
Has any failed so bad they got demoted down?
Litiraly cast down from imortality

I don't think the process can be reversed, although the God could just reabsorb their essence.

If M'kar is still around, they would have to fail really bad.

 Sasori wrote:

jhe90 wrote:
Has any failed so bad they got demoted down?
Litiraly cast down from imortality

I don't think the process can be reversed, although the God could just reabsorb their essence.

If M'kar is still around, they would have to fail really bad.

OK, true he does rival abbdon for failing.

Just a wonder, out of every elevated, one has to have betrayed, failed or done somthing to anger there patron god.

Why give them mortality again so they can escape punishment? Leaving them immortal so they will be punished for all eternity is more their speed


EDIT: though we have also seen daemons who've failed or angered their gods for punishment, see also the Masque and Skarbrand (I think? The. Ames bloodthirster)

jhe90 wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

jhe90 wrote:
Has any failed so bad they got demoted down?
Litiraly cast down from imortality

I don't think the process can be reversed, although the God could just reabsorb their essence.

If M'kar is still around, they would have to fail really bad.

OK, true he does rival abbdon for failing.

Just a wonder, out of every elevated, one has to have betrayed, failed or done somthing to anger there patron god.

Considering there was no lol, just coming in to say Failbaddon is a stupid name. Even if we looked at it from him not crushing the Imperium, so what? He has, unlike any other individual, managed to unite every segment of chaos, all of the shattered bits and putting it into a mobilized force to send a mass fight. He has gained the favor of the gods and only hasn't become a prince because he doesn't want to. Add to that, the new fluff sets out to point how the crusades were all successes. They just weren't aimed at crushing the imperium.

And M'kar actually died for good

I think GW should've found some way to get rid of all the traitor primarchs like they got rid of the loyal primarchs.

Since ascending, Lorgar and Fulgrim have done diddly squat. Perturabo has been outshone by Failbaddon. Angron and Magnus have struggled against single planets. And the most humiliating is Mortarion, he let Draigo do "art all over his heart".

If they could die for good though, chaos would not be as grim dark, you could inflict far more damage than they be back in 100 - 1000 years time. The war would not be so unending,

Maximus Bitch wrote:
I think GW should've found some way to get rid of all the traitor primarchs like they got rid of the loyal primarchs.

Since ascending, Lorgar and Fulgrim have done diddly squat. Perturabo has been outshone by Failbaddon. Angron and Magnus have struggled against single planets. And the most humiliating is Mortarion, he let Draigo do "art all over his heart".

Except they didn't get rid of all the loyalist Primarchs, in fact most of them are still alive and/or missing.
The Lion is chilling on the Rock.
Khan is with the DE (although there is a line hinting that he's dead)
Leman Russ is in the Warp waiting for the Wolftime (Ragnarok)
Vulkan+Corax disappeared.
Rowboat Girlyman is in stasis and healing (so King Wardicus proclaims).

In fact the only three confirmed dead are Sanguinius, Ferrus Manus and Dorn, and they only actually found Dorn's hand, so he could be out there doing an Anakin Skywalker.

So, they didn't exactly get rid of them. Also, how is it possible to get rid of an eternal being?

And in regards to Angron struggling 'against single planets'; if you're referring to Armageddon Angron had reason to struggle. Have you read the fluff on Armageddon recently??

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:
I think GW should've found some way to get rid of all the traitor primarchs like they got rid of the loyal primarchs.

Since ascending, Lorgar and Fulgrim have done diddly squat. Perturabo has been outshone by Failbaddon. Angron and Magnus have struggled against single planets. And the most humiliating is Mortarion, he let Draigo do "art all over his heart".

Except they didn't get rid of all the loyalist Primarchs, in fact most of them are still alive and/or missing.
The Lion is chilling on the Rock.
Khan is with the DE (although there is a line hinting that he's dead)
Leman Russ is in the Warp waiting for the Wolftime (Ragnarok)
Vulkan+Corax disappeared.
Rowboat Girlyman is in stasis and healing (so King Wardicus proclaims).

In fact the only three confirmed dead are Sanguinius, Ferrus Manus and Dorn, and they only actually found Dorn's hand, so he could be out there doing an Anakin Skywalker.

So, they didn't exactly get rid of them. Also, how is it possible to get rid of an eternal being?

And in regards to Angron struggling 'against single planets'; if you're referring to Armageddon Angron had reason to struggle. Have you read the fluff on Armageddon recently??

False, only 4 are confirmed dead. Ferrus Manus (decapitated by Fulgrim and head presented to Horus), Sanguinius, and Horus himself. Guilliman is also dead, but there remains ambuiguity due to in-universe ravings of pilgrims who go to see his body, about something that's physically impossible.

The other loyal Primarchs are all assumed dead or MIA. However, all of them could be dead.

Lion El'Johnson is presumed asleep in the Rock, yet he could have died fighting Luther.
Jaghatai Khan chased DE into the webway, so likely dead but regardless, is out of action (permanently, as the Eldar can just prevent him escaping).
Leman Russ last seen heading into the Warp, but likely died as did everyone else who ventured in, swallowed up by a Daemon world or otherwise trapped or corrupted.
Dorn was presumed dead in a Black Crusade but all that was found was a hand, so he could be doing, as you say, a Skywalker.
Sangy is dead as doornails.
Manus' head probably still hangs in the Vengeful Spirit.
Guilliman is discussed.
Corax is MIA in the Warp, see Leman Russ.
Vulkan.is alive, as he is a Perpetual, but it is hinted he is trapped by Tyzarn the Infinite, but is definately MIA (until the 4 other relics have been found).

kingleir wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

nobody wrote:

You know, I vaguely remember hearing about Tzeentch granting followers daemonhood, and then promptly giving them a True Name that was something obscenely common....

Despair before the might of Simon!

Probably more like a daemon prince named run or aaaahhhhh.

Nah - definitely Dave!

Tzeentch then proceeded to make them watch reruns of The League of Gentlemen for the rest of eternity...

Don't forget chaos plays the long game, not just in the immediate present. Chaos' goal isn't and never was to destroy every last trace of the Imperium. The goal is to keep the galaxy in chaos and war; a goal which the powers are doing pretty well at. Remember Chaos would've been dramatically marginalized if the Emps remained unchecked, but also would've burnt itself out if the traitor forces won too greatly as they would've murdered pretty much the entire galaxy in relatively short order. The way the galaxy is right now, is pretty much how chaos wants it to be. To this effect the daemon primarchs haven't been failures at all. They remain card-holding players of chaos to show their faces when they are needed.

Just coming in to point out that the Lion is not only alive, but 100% healed and ready to go when the time comes for it.

Source "The Final Secret" page 26 Dark Angels 6th edition codex