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The Imperium is fighting a war with Chaos, they are only delaying their own destruction. Sooner or later the imperium will fall.
The Tyranids can die and starve to death, eventually they will die out.
The Necrons have the tech but they are machines, they will eventually end.
The Orks are too stupid and are a joke mostly.
The other races i don't even need to mention as they will die before the 4 i mentioned before.
Chaos however is eternal.
What the point of fighting? eventually there will be nothing left within the galaxy except for Chaos. Why don't the races just focus on making better ships so they can get the hell out of this cruel galaxy.

Your analysis of Orks, nids and crons is slightly weak.
All 3 have the potential to end the Galaxy as we know it.
In different ways mind you but Chaos wont prevail in any of them.....

Each race is capable of achieving an endgame with them on top.

For Chaos though, they have to have psychically attuned races in order to make significant inroads. The fall of the Imperium could lead to Chaos taking over, but you still have three credible threats in the Tyranids, Necrons, and Orks to deal with. Tau right now are too insignificant to be threatening on a galactic scale, but if you time shifted a thousand years into the future, they could be that powerful.

Who says Chaos is eternal anyway, maybe its lies and whispers made by demons in order to convert followers, or propaganda written by crazed followers of Chaos.

Tyranids will simply eat the Daemons

I don't see much of a chance for Tau to be anything remotely close to the potency of the orks, NEcron or tyranid.

What's the point of fighting? Well, the don't know that they're doomed.

 Lobomalo wrote:
Tyranids will simply eat the Daemons

The feth? No they won't, Daemons aren't even composed of matter, they're made of pure energy. And as I've repeatedly posted, Chaos has multiple quotes backing it up as ignoring causality, being eternal, and capable of casual star/system busting and thus having a handy means of using GRB's as weapons in warfare if need be. Chaos is the strongest faction, as is backed up by the Codex, Rulebook, and Black Library. If the other races win the eternal war, they simply end up conquering the galaxy. If Chaos wins the entire universe is consumed as the immaterium swallows it up. The only actual real threat to Chaos on whatever scale is the God Emperor, as he's an emerging warp entity and wields enough power to hold back Chaos, which it in itself is a gigantic feat of power.

And as for the question of the point to fighting Chaos? Existential Nihilism quite simply. In the absence of an absolute purpose ordained by the universe, it is up to you, the individual, to forge your own purpose for your life. The most common path in 40K is Martyrdom, which is a seemingly appropriate and romanticized path to take when royally screwed. If Cthulhu's about to eat you, you might as well try to bloody his nose to spite him.

Although they're not completely screwed. The God Emperor is the Imperium's own private eldritch abomination they've been busy growing in the back shed for the past ten millennium, and depending on how much power he assimilates the GEOM might be able to save everyone. It'll help if the Eldar get around to creating Ynnead as well. Although, it could always backfire horribly and we end up with something like 50k where the GEOM turns into some horrible emotionless Chaos God of Order.

Really, the best thing you could do in W40K is take the largest space ship you have, make it self-sufficient and take all the knowledge, engineers, biologists, etc you can grab, then leave the galaxy at maximum speed (away from the tyranids). Just run, don't look back, and hope Chaos doesn't gobble up the universe if the GEOM is ever destroyed in the future.

A good krumpin' is better than runnin'

I say FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

The Galaxy will just be left with Orks fighting Tyranids with the occasional Necron tomb world waking up to mix things up.

Although I think the Orks will be sad when they don't have any humans left to Krump.

 Medium of Death wrote:
The Galaxy will just be left with Orks fighting Tyranids with the occasional Necron tomb world waking up to mix things up.

Although I think the Orks will be sad when they don't have any humans left to Krump.

Ehhh. Depends on the human. Orks would probably just weep the loss of Space Marines and the ballsier Imperial Guardsmen for being damn good fights, but I don't see them missing the most of humanity, given they're just 'quishy weak 'ummies. Although Orks would be having the time of their life fighting Tyranids and Daemons, so they might not even have any thoughts of nostalgia.

Really, the best thing you could do in W40K is take the largest space ship you have, make it self-sufficient and take all the knowledge, engineers, biologists, etc you can grab, then leave the galaxy at maximum speed (away from the tyranids). Just run, don't look back, and hope Chaos doesn't gobble up the universe if the GEOM is ever destroyed in the future

Nids been there, ate that, you're out of luck Wyzzy

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Lobomalo wrote:
Tyranids will simply eat the Daemons

The feth? No they won't, Daemons aren't even composed of matter, they're made of pure energy. And as I've repeatedly posted, Chaos has multiple quotes backing it up as ignoring causality, being eternal, and capable of casual star/system busting and thus having a handy means of using GRB's as weapons in warfare if need be. Chaos is the strongest faction, as is backed up by the Codex, Rulebook, and Black Library. If the other races win the eternal war, they simply end up conquering the galaxy. If Chaos wins the entire universe is consumed as the immaterium swallows it up. The only actual real threat to Chaos on whatever scale is the God Emperor, as he's an emerging warp entity and wields enough power to hold back Chaos, which it in itself is a gigantic feat of power.

And as for the question of the point to fighting Chaos? Existential Nihilism quite simply. In the absence of an absolute purpose ordained by the universe, it is up to you, the individual, to forge your own purpose for your life. The most common path in 40K is Martyrdom, which is a seemingly appropriate and romanticized path to take when royally screwed. If Cthulhu's about to eat you, you might as well try to bloody his nose to spite him.

Although they're not completely screwed. The God Emperor is the Imperium's own private eldritch abomination they've been busy growing in the back shed for the past ten millennium, and depending on how much power he assimilates the GEOM might be able to save everyone. It'll help if the Eldar get around to creating Ynnead as well. Although, it could always backfire horribly and we end up with something like 50k where the GEOM turns into some horrible emotionless Chaos God of Order.

Really, the best thing you could do in W40K is take the largest space ship you have, make it self-sufficient and take all the knowledge, engineers, biologists, etc you can grab, then leave the galaxy at maximum speed (away from the tyranids). Just run, don't look back, and hope Chaos doesn't gobble up the universe if the GEOM is ever destroyed in the future.

I don't know man, even tho the emperor can hold back chaos from consuming the universe. I don't think he can beat an Chaos god if he actually fought with one face to face.


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 Lobomalo wrote:
Tyranids will simply eat the Daemons

The Tyranids tried to eat daemons, the daemons just ended up brushing out from inside their stomach, killing the tyranid creatures and this is from the newest tyranid codex.

Space marines, eldar, tau will lose. They are losing space and ground on all sides.

Tyrainds will eat the galaxy and with out a warp presence chaos fades.

Necron have no new members and lose models forever so they will lose.

Orks cant beat tyrainds, since tyranids who fight them get bigger and planets behind them fade to nothing.
So looks like tyranid win unless the chaos marines hide in the eye and sees what happens when the tyranid eat everyone else.

poor nurgle

Except Orks constantly regenerate their numbers so they don't really automatically lose.
Each Necron is extremely hard to kill and combined with their numbers they have a decent chance.
Eldar can just hide in the Webway so they can just leave the fight.

I'm going to point out that orks will win.

Firstly, Orks don't love to fight, they live to fight. An ork that fights gets bigger, and the bigger an ork is, the harder he fights. when an ork dies, he releases spores. these spores grow into more orks. a bigger ork releases more spores that grow bigger orks, and so it keeps going. the only way to rid a planet of orks is exterminatus. There is a good story in the previous nid codex in which the imperials think they're so clever because they directed an entire tyranid hive-fleet to a single planet of orks, thinking that one would kill the other, and be crippled in doing so and they would mop up. They then watched in horror as the orks kicked the snot out of the tyranids and both sides rapidly got stronger and stronger in an evolutionary arms-race. they haven't concluded it but it's fair to say whoever wins will be more powerful than ever before. and as orks have a love of burning things, the biomatter available to the tyranids will be steadily decreasing.

Secondly, Orks are everywhere already. no matter where anyone explores, there are orks there. Orks hold more planets than all the other races combined. it's likely that orks have already left this galaxy, and in-fighting on who's fault it is that they did so will have kept them alive on their drifting space-hulk. so expect that whoever wins in this galaxy will soon find out that all the nearest galaxies have already been infested with orks!

Thirdly, we have the ork gods.
Gork and Mork are the most powerful gods in the warp. this is rarely referenced, as the chaos gods have more of a hand in the real world and, like the primarchs and famous chapter masters get more fame than the emporor, the ork gods are generally left in a back seat. one important story from "WAAAGH! da orks!":

The Hunt
Gork and Mork go looking for a gigantic Squiggly beast and find it at the bottom of a huge cesspit. Also at the bottom of the cesspit is Nurgle, who has eaten all the Snotlings. Gork and Mork clobber Nurgle so hard that he spews up all the Snotlings who are still alive. Nurgle shrinks and becomes a Squiggly beast. The Snotlings then turn the Squig into a feast for Gork and Mork. This myth clearly represents the Ork triumph over Nurgle. The Orks have no fear of the realms of Nurgle, and happily thrive on Squiggly beasts that breed in their cesspits.

another important one, from the (soon to be no-longer) Current ork codex:

Gork and Mork are divine powerhouses, deities so strong that they are never truly defeated. They simply shrug off the attacks of other gods with a raucous laugh. Gork grins, bears his long teeth, and lands a mighty blow on his adversary's head with a spiked club the size of a comet. Mork, the master of cunning, waits until his foe isn't looking and clobbers them with a low blow.

so we can see that the ork gods are the most powerful gods, if even khorne can't hurt them, tzeench can't change them. the chaos gods are the scheming dwarves among giants, they can do whatever they like, the ork gods are too powerful to care.

the most powerful quote (let's see if I can find it...)

“Gork and Mork stirred and a wave of fear passed through the warp. Suicide and incidence of violent crime climbed steeply. On Icholbar an Astropath screamed and threw himself from the balcony of a skyscraper apartment, yelling that his people were doomed. On the craftworld Hope of Other Days, an Eldar philosopher stopped listening to the atonal music of his waterchimes and began composing his death-haiku. On distant Earth, a living corpse in a golden throne opened eyes that held fear for the first time in centuries.”
Extract from In The Warp Something Stirred, Waaargh! The Orks, pg.71

let's let that sink in for a moment. Gork and Mork merely "stir" and people start killing themselves, and the freaking emporor wakes up. imagine what would happen if they farted!!

so we can safely attest to the fact that Orks:

1: Have the strongest gods, but they don't care
2: Have the most resilient physiology
3: Have the advantage in numbers
4: Were born to fight, and win.

there is nothing that you can do to demoralise them (if terra is taken and the emporor is killed, the imperium will fall. if ghazkull is killed, the other bosses will sniff and say "I always thought i wus tuffer than 'im!" and the WAAAGH! will continue).
if Gork or Mork ever decided to check what's going on and saw daemons being all tricksy fighting orks, they'll go find their patron god and thump 'im for "not fightin' proppa" until he apologises.

and so long as orks keep fighting, there will be more of them. Orks are to the universe what the Daemon factory is to 40k, only if you imagine every daemon player starts playing now, and you have to work your way through them - by the time you get to the last one, he'll have a billion points worth. all ork planets are constantly at war with each other. war breeds more orks, more orks breeds more WAAAGH!.


TLR version: you ain't beating the orks.

No, you can get of Orks with flamers and other destructive weapons, see Valhalla, who got rid of the greenies without exploding the place.

 Bobthehero wrote:
No, you can get of Orks with flamers and other destructive weapons, see Valhalla, who got rid of the greenies without exploding the place.

Dont they fire bomb the caverns and caves regularly though? Just in case?

OgreChubbs wrote:
Space marines, eldar, tau will lose. They are losing space and ground on all sides.

Tyrainds will eat the galaxy and with out a warp presence chaos fades.

Necron have no new members and lose models forever so they will lose.

Orks cant beat tyrainds, since tyranids who fight them get bigger and planets behind them fade to nothing.
So looks like tyranid win unless the chaos marines hide in the eye and sees what happens when the tyranid eat everyone else.

poor nurgle

I dont think iv read anything that states Tau are losing ground mostly just stalemates. (fanboing here but given there rate of advancement and the complete lack of interest given by all the other races they definitely could be a wild card in the future. given they are figuring out star destroying tech already.)
Necrons clearly if fully awaken to put a stop to all the things as they have anti warp and spacetime bending nonsense. as well necrons never lose models as generally when they die they get ported back to a tomb to be repaired (IIRC)
Orks are said to be galaxy spanning (ork signals from other galaxy's) so i dont know if there are enough nids (dont know that much fluff on them)

 some bloke wrote:
I'm going to point out that orks will win.

Firstly, Orks don't love to fight, they live to fight. An ork that fights gets bigger, and the bigger an ork is, the harder he fights. when an ork dies, he releases spores. these spores grow into more orks. a bigger ork releases more spores that grow bigger orks, and so it keeps going. the only way to rid a planet of orks is exterminatus. There is a good story in the previous nid codex in which the imperials think they're so clever because they directed an entire tyranid hive-fleet to a single planet of orks, thinking that one would kill the other, and be crippled in doing so and they would mop up. They then watched in horror as the orks kicked the snot out of the tyranids and both sides rapidly got stronger and stronger in an evolutionary arms-race. they haven't concluded it but it's fair to say whoever wins will be more powerful than ever before. and as orks have a love of burning things, the biomatter available to the tyranids will be steadily decreasing.

Secondly, Orks are everywhere already. no matter where anyone explores, there are orks there. Orks hold more planets than all the other races combined. it's likely that orks have already left this galaxy, and in-fighting on who's fault it is that they did so will have kept them alive on their drifting space-hulk. so expect that whoever wins in this galaxy will soon find out that all the nearest galaxies have already been infested with orks!

Thirdly, we have the ork gods.
Gork and Mork are the most powerful gods in the warp. this is rarely referenced, as the chaos gods have more of a hand in the real world and, like the primarchs and famous chapter masters get more fame than the emporor, the ork gods are generally left in a back seat. one important story from "WAAAGH! da orks!":

The Hunt
Gork and Mork go looking for a gigantic Squiggly beast and find it at the bottom of a huge cesspit. Also at the bottom of the cesspit is Nurgle, who has eaten all the Snotlings. Gork and Mork clobber Nurgle so hard that he spews up all the Snotlings who are still alive. Nurgle shrinks and becomes a Squiggly beast. The Snotlings then turn the Squig into a feast for Gork and Mork. This myth clearly represents the Ork triumph over Nurgle. The Orks have no fear of the realms of Nurgle, and happily thrive on Squiggly beasts that breed in their cesspits.

another important one, from the (soon to be no-longer) Current ork codex:

Gork and Mork are divine powerhouses, deities so strong that they are never truly defeated. They simply shrug off the attacks of other gods with a raucous laugh. Gork grins, bears his long teeth, and lands a mighty blow on his adversary's head with a spiked club the size of a comet. Mork, the master of cunning, waits until his foe isn't looking and clobbers them with a low blow.

so we can see that the ork gods are the most powerful gods, if even khorne can't hurt them, tzeench can't change them. the chaos gods are the scheming dwarves among giants, they can do whatever they like, the ork gods are too powerful to care.

the most powerful quote (let's see if I can find it...)

“Gork and Mork stirred and a wave of fear passed through the warp. Suicide and incidence of violent crime climbed steeply. On Icholbar an Astropath screamed and threw himself from the balcony of a skyscraper apartment, yelling that his people were doomed. On the craftworld Hope of Other Days, an Eldar philosopher stopped listening to the atonal music of his waterchimes and began composing his death-haiku. On distant Earth, a living corpse in a golden throne opened eyes that held fear for the first time in centuries.”
Extract from In The Warp Something Stirred, Waaargh! The Orks, pg.71

let's let that sink in for a moment. Gork and Mork merely "stir" and people start killing themselves, and the freaking emporor wakes up. imagine what would happen if they farted!!

so we can safely attest to the fact that Orks:

1: Have the strongest gods, but they don't care
2: Have the most resilient physiology
3: Have the advantage in numbers
4: Were born to fight, and win.

there is nothing that you can do to demoralise them (if terra is taken and the emporor is killed, the imperium will fall. if ghazkull is killed, the other bosses will sniff and say "I always thought i wus tuffer than 'im!" and the WAAAGH! will continue).
if Gork or Mork ever decided to check what's going on and saw daemons being all tricksy fighting orks, they'll go find their patron god and thump 'im for "not fightin' proppa" until he apologises.

and so long as orks keep fighting, there will be more of them. Orks are to the universe what the Daemon factory is to 40k, only if you imagine every daemon player starts playing now, and you have to work your way through them - by the time you get to the last one, he'll have a billion points worth. all ork planets are constantly at war with each other. war breeds more orks, more orks breeds more WAAAGH!.


TLR version: you ain't beating the orks.

Except that the more Spores produced, the more biomass the Tyranids have to consume.
Tyranids can eat the spores to prevent Orks reinforcing their own numbers.
Orks require time to mature and grow. Nids take days.
Spores can also produce Snotlings, Squigs, Grots and fungi, so reinforcements lost.
Orks must die to get reinforcements en masse, Nids simply eat jungles and other Orks (and the resultant spores).
Nids can adapt to beat Orks.
Shadow in the Warp will disrupt their latent psychic belief powers.

Not what is happening on Octarius. The ork spores actually fight back against the microscopic tyrannic bioorganisms.

I will agree that tyranids can eat the ork spores and so can eventually scour an ork planet clean. eventually.

But the fact is that any tyranid invasion on an ork planet will go like this:

1: The nids will make planetfall. orks will shout out on their old-fashioned radios to their nearby ork systems that they've got all the fighting, to show off.
2: The nids will start to push the orks back, but it will be difficult, and take a long time.
3: The local orks will arrive to get stuck in, supplying reinforcements, but not before shouting a snotty message to their local ork systems that they're going to get there first, starting a race to the planet.
4: some smart-ass ork kommanda will figure out where the nids are coming from and try to get there so he can fight the nids before the others. The nids will probably destroy him, but this will divert resources from the planet, allowing the orks to repopulate somewhat.

or, from the tyranid point of view:

1: We'll attack the planet. the planet sends for reinforcement through non-warp means.
2: We meet strong opposition but make headway.
3: Reinforcements arrive for the enemy
4: A brave commander sacrifices himself to gain more time.


now to apply the principles of evolution to this (I know, I'm giving this way too much thought)

The orks will die in the attacks, and spread spores. obviously where the ork line fails, the spores are devoured. where the ork line holds, the spores have time to grow to maturity.
Those orks whose spores grow fastest will re-enter the fray first, and subsequently will die again before the slower spores.
Orks bred from these spores will grow faster than others. some of these orks will have spores that grow even faster. steadily, due to a rapidly increasing body count and the fact that the longer a spore is a spore, the more chance it gets eaten, the rate of increase in fast-orks is faster than the rate of increase in slow-orks, and the population of orks will become more and more fast-orks. eventually all of these orks will be reproducing much, much faster. when the reinforcements arrive and give the orks on the planet a brief lull, the ork population will increase rapidly.

it is the case that any species which has a fast "Turnaround" (short lifespan with lots of babies) will evolve much faster than those with a slow turnaround. so the faster you kill orks, the faster they get better.

and let me finish this with pointing out that a tyranid hive-fleet was stopped short by a single ork planet. orks have billions of planets, tyranids probably don't have billions of hive-fleets.

 some bloke wrote:
I will agree that tyranids can eat the ork spores and so can eventually scour an ork planet clean. eventually.

But the fact is that any tyranid invasion on an ork planet will go like this:

1: The nids will make planetfall. orks will shout out on their old-fashioned radios to their nearby ork systems that they've got all the fighting, to show off.
2: The nids will start to push the orks back, but it will be difficult, and take a long time.
3: The local orks will arrive to get stuck in, supplying reinforcements, but not before shouting a snotty message to their local ork systems that they're going to get there first, starting a race to the planet.
4: some smart-ass ork kommanda will figure out where the nids are coming from and try to get there so he can fight the nids before the others. The nids will probably destroy him, but this will divert resources from the planet, allowing the orks to repopulate somewhat.

or, from the tyranid point of view:

1: We'll attack the planet. the planet sends for reinforcement through non-warp means.
2: We meet strong opposition but make headway.
3: Reinforcements arrive for the enemy
4: A brave commander sacrifices himself to gain more time.


now to apply the principles of evolution to this (I know, I'm giving this way too much thought)

The orks will die in the attacks, and spread spores. obviously where the ork line fails, the spores are devoured. where the ork line holds, the spores have time to grow to maturity.
Those orks whose spores grow fastest will re-enter the fray first, and subsequently will die again before the slower spores.
Orks bred from these spores will grow faster than others. some of these orks will have spores that grow even faster. steadily, due to a rapidly increasing body count and the fact that the longer a spore is a spore, the more chance it gets eaten, the rate of increase in fast-orks is faster than the rate of increase in slow-orks, and the population of orks will become more and more fast-orks. eventually all of these orks will be reproducing much, much faster. when the reinforcements arrive and give the orks on the planet a brief lull, the ork population will increase rapidly.

it is the case that any species which has a fast "Turnaround" (short lifespan with lots of babies) will evolve much faster than those with a slow turnaround. so the faster you kill orks, the faster they get better.

and let me finish this with pointing out that a tyranid hive-fleet was stopped short by a single ork planet. orks have billions of planets, tyranids probably don't have billions of hive-fleets.

Except trying to out-evolve Tyranids is doomed to fail, as Nids reproduce at a rate no other species can match- on demand, and their evolutionary traits are designed, not a case of trial and error.

Furthermore, see the Gholera Swarm. Here, the Nids were beaten in Space, were outnumbered on the ground, and yet somehow still managed to replenish losses, create Synapse Creatures, overpower the Orks, outsmart the Warboss, rebuild ships and reenter the fray in the Octarius War.
There is also no way to know how many fleets the Tyranids have. It could number upwards of trillions, or Leviathan could be the last big Hive Fleet.

 some bloke wrote:
I'm going to point out that orks will win.

Firstly, Orks don't love to fight, they live to fight. An ork that fights gets bigger, and the bigger an ork is, the harder he fights. when an ork dies, he releases spores. these spores grow into more orks. a bigger ork releases more spores that grow bigger orks, and so it keeps going. the only way to rid a planet of orks is exterminatus. There is a good story in the previous nid codex in which the imperials think they're so clever because they directed an entire tyranid hive-fleet to a single planet of orks, thinking that one would kill the other, and be crippled in doing so and they would mop up. They then watched in horror as the orks kicked the snot out of the tyranids and both sides rapidly got stronger and stronger in an evolutionary arms-race. they haven't concluded it but it's fair to say whoever wins will be more powerful than ever before. and as orks have a love of burning things, the biomatter available to the tyranids will be steadily decreasing.

Secondly, Orks are everywhere already. no matter where anyone explores, there are orks there. Orks hold more planets than all the other races combined. it's likely that orks have already left this galaxy, and in-fighting on who's fault it is that they did so will have kept them alive on their drifting space-hulk. so expect that whoever wins in this galaxy will soon find out that all the nearest galaxies have already been infested with orks!

Thirdly, we have the ork gods.
Gork and Mork are the most powerful gods in the warp. this is rarely referenced, as the chaos gods have more of a hand in the real world and, like the primarchs and famous chapter masters get more fame than the emporor, the ork gods are generally left in a back seat. one important story from "WAAAGH! da orks!":

The Hunt
Gork and Mork go looking for a gigantic Squiggly beast and find it at the bottom of a huge cesspit. Also at the bottom of the cesspit is Nurgle, who has eaten all the Snotlings. Gork and Mork clobber Nurgle so hard that he spews up all the Snotlings who are still alive. Nurgle shrinks and becomes a Squiggly beast. The Snotlings then turn the Squig into a feast for Gork and Mork. This myth clearly represents the Ork triumph over Nurgle. The Orks have no fear of the realms of Nurgle, and happily thrive on Squiggly beasts that breed in their cesspits.

another important one, from the (soon to be no-longer) Current ork codex:

Gork and Mork are divine powerhouses, deities so strong that they are never truly defeated. They simply shrug off the attacks of other gods with a raucous laugh. Gork grins, bears his long teeth, and lands a mighty blow on his adversary's head with a spiked club the size of a comet. Mork, the master of cunning, waits until his foe isn't looking and clobbers them with a low blow.

so we can see that the ork gods are the most powerful gods, if even khorne can't hurt them, tzeench can't change them. the chaos gods are the scheming dwarves among giants, they can do whatever they like, the ork gods are too powerful to care.

the most powerful quote (let's see if I can find it...)

“Gork and Mork stirred and a wave of fear passed through the warp. Suicide and incidence of violent crime climbed steeply. On Icholbar an Astropath screamed and threw himself from the balcony of a skyscraper apartment, yelling that his people were doomed. On the craftworld Hope of Other Days, an Eldar philosopher stopped listening to the atonal music of his waterchimes and began composing his death-haiku. On distant Earth, a living corpse in a golden throne opened eyes that held fear for the first time in centuries.”
Extract from In The Warp Something Stirred, Waaargh! The Orks, pg.71

let's let that sink in for a moment. Gork and Mork merely "stir" and people start killing themselves, and the freaking emporor wakes up. imagine what would happen if they farted!!

so we can safely attest to the fact that Orks:

1: Have the strongest gods, but they don't care
2: Have the most resilient physiology
3: Have the advantage in numbers
4: Were born to fight, and win.

there is nothing that you can do to demoralise them (if terra is taken and the emporor is killed, the imperium will fall. if ghazkull is killed, the other bosses will sniff and say "I always thought i wus tuffer than 'im!" and the WAAAGH! will continue).
if Gork or Mork ever decided to check what's going on and saw daemons being all tricksy fighting orks, they'll go find their patron god and thump 'im for "not fightin' proppa" until he apologises.

and so long as orks keep fighting, there will be more of them. Orks are to the universe what the Daemon factory is to 40k, only if you imagine every daemon player starts playing now, and you have to work your way through them - by the time you get to the last one, he'll have a billion points worth. all ork planets are constantly at war with each other. war breeds more orks, more orks breeds more WAAAGH!.


TLR version: you ain't beating the orks.

Where is the hunt from? i don't believe thats a real quote
And it says Gork and Mork shrugs off the attacks of other gods but it doesn't say ALL THE OTHER GODS OF 40K.
Gork and Mork may be stronger than the emperor but the chaos gods are a whole different story.

If the God Emperor ascends to become a warp entity that feeds off of.. I guess Worship of the Emperor, the Imperium defeats its current threats and expands far beyond the reaches of the galaxy and doesnt burn out then Chaos as we know it would be destroyed.

But that isnt 40k. 40k is about the most brutal regime that ever was and its downfall.

Chaos cannot win, if they win they will be the new order and that is a
a paradox. They are the dominant force but could not exist without some opposite order. No one will ever truly "win" as The Lord of change will not allow it. Orks, nids none of them will ever dominate completely due to their nature. Even the hive mind will turn on itself for food. So in summary Chaos is the ruling factor but only because some order exists be it a hive fleet Ork waaargh or what ever. Wrap your straight line thinking around that. Ha.

This question is equivalent to asking why people bother doing things because of entropy. "We're all dead anyway!"

The Chaos Gods ultimately have very finite power within the physical Galaxy, and their victory, even if possible, would be an extremely long way away.

The people fighting in M.41 and before that, won't live to see the final resolution within the Galaxy, one way or another.

Ynead is also an emerging God. And Cegorath is still around and free. Mork and Gork are there. The Big Four aren't the only power in the warp.

Because it's designed with the possibility of anybody winning. With the focus, the most likely endings are three based on 40k's orientation (if they ever decided to finish it but they will never). One, Chaos victory. Two, Imperial victory. Three, and probably most likely, everybody dies.

That said, each one has a viable end. Nids are very capable of winning, Necrons capable, Orks if mobilized could, Eldar if their plan works out could. Really the only ones that can't are DE which kinda would tag on with Eldar and Tau are extremely unlikely to win (their victory is basically if everything else blows up).

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and let me finish this with pointing out that a tyranid hive-fleet was stopped short by a single ork planet. orks have billions of planets, tyranids probably don't have billions of hive-fleets.

You are referring to the Ghorala Swarm fluff. A single tendril of Leviathan (not the whole thing) was heading towards the Ork world of Ghorala, one of the various out-lying systems in the Octarius sector. On the way, the Orks (under an especially kunnin' warlord) ambushed the Tyranids in an asteroid field and destroyed them through overwhelming firepower and a massive minefield.

A single bioship made it through, launched spores at Ghorala and then died. Those spores went on to create a Tyranid infestation that out-thought and out-fought the Orks on the planet, and then the Orks that came down from the fleets in space to reclaim their world.

Within a year, the Ork fortress world was devoured, the Orks in the system wiped out and a whole new fleet of bioships birthed on the planet to move onto the other systems in the Octarius sector.

Leviathan was not stopped. It was almost killed, but went on to score one of the most crushing victories in Tyranid fluff to date. All from a single tendril of the main fleet. The really key thing to take away from this is that a Tyranid infestation, by way of being sentient, is an ideal predator for the Ork ecosystem; they learned how the Orks were winning, countered and over-turned the results. The Orks will need to get smarter if they plan on winning the war.