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I no longer play with a gaming groups our trouny because its seems lots off people just cheat to win our the rules they use just seem like bs like there taking advantage of me not knowing ever little rule and useing against me. Is this a very common thing people do against new people our people who play the game very causal. I have seen a group i use to go to just lie and cheat new people to the game. also is playing 2000pts games the only way to play as most groups will not play any thing under 2000pts

Please go back and give your post an edit for composition. I think you're having a hard time making yourself understood, here.

Cheating is very common in 40k in my opinion as i see. it a lot any time i go to any groups our trounys

Yep everyone cheats constantly. Sorry you didn't get the memo with your starter set.

Another sterling thread Zilka.

 Eldarain wrote:


Another sterling thread Zilka.

This.

I have no idea what you're trying to say, try again.

Cheat to win , Wooooooooooooooooo!

 Peregrine wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:


Another sterling thread Zilka.

This.

I am loving Eldarain at the moment. I think it, he/she types it.

*cough*ruleone*cough*

zilka86 wrote:
I no longer play with a gaming groups our trouny because its seems lots off people just cheat to win our the rules they use just seem like bs like there taking advantage of me not knowing ever little rule and useing against me. Is this a very common thing people do against new people our people who play the game very causal. I have seen a group i use to go to just lie and cheat new people to the game. also is playing 2000pts games the only way to play as most groups will not play any thing under 2000pts

I no longer play with a gaming group or in a tourney because it seems lots of people just cheat to with. The rules they use just seem like bs, like they're taking advantage of me not knowing every little rule. Is this a common thing people see happening to new players? I have seen the group I used to play with just lie and cheat new people. Also is playing at 2000pts the only way to play, because a lot of groups seem unwilling to play under 2000?

Is that better?


And I'd say it's more the people you were playing with, or because there are so many special rules if you weren't familiar with them it can seem like cheating at times. From what I've seen and heard it's not really a common thing. And you can play under 2000 points, that's just a preference they'd have.

In anything competitive, and I mean anything, cheating is very common.

The prevailing mentality is that in any event where referees are present it is their responsibility to catch and punish any cheaters. If the referee is incompetent then it is easier to cheat. If anyone cheats then you are at a disadvantage. Game theory says it is more advantageous to cheat. Entire strategies and tactics are developed around cheating.

It usually is just very small things to get the slightest advantage. In casual sports it is pass interference, not calling yourself out, or in 40k disembarknig just a tad more or fast rolling dice and bulling people into results.

I don't agree with this mentality at all and I think it is despicable, but is is prevalent pretty much everywhere.

First of all, there's a difference between cheating and being a pretentious prick. I think a lot of Warhammer players act rude, I don't think nearly as many cheat. And well, you'll become more familiar with the rules as you play. Give no quarter and treat cheaters with no mercy. Call attention to them, don't let them get away with anything.

As for groups not playing smaller-scale battles, you have my condolences. That kind of stuff seems fairly common- gaming groups only playing at a points level you don't like and that sort of thing. Until you find some buddies who are willing to be flexible, you're in the rough.

And as mentioned before, spend a second spell checking your posts. I'm not saying you need to have perfect punctuation, but for the love of god at least use Dakkas automatic spellchecker.

I don't play with tranny's either bro, I feel ya pain lol. Not everyone cheats...sometimes they just legitimately don't know they did it, they didn't look at a rule right, assumed they know the rules, or some other case.

You do run into loaded dice, apparently card cheating now, and db's doing movement shananagians. Once you play with a crowd, you begin to learn who does what, when, where, and how.

If it's your brother doing it than he is just being mean.

I won't cheat, but I'm not above mind games. Eldar and all that.

I have very selective memory of rules, but it's never (consciously) intentional hah.

That said, the first real bad cheating I witnessed was at a GT during the 3rd edition. More or less I find most players are pretty fair though.

 Bodacious2182 wrote:
In anything competitive, and I mean anything, cheating is very common.

The prevailing mentality is that in any event where referees are present it is their responsibility to catch and punish any cheaters. If the referee is incompetent then it is easier to cheat. If anyone cheats then you are at a disadvantage. Game theory says it is more advantageous to cheat. Entire strategies and tactics are developed around cheating.

It usually is just very small things to get the slightest advantage. In casual sports it is pass interference, not calling yourself out, or in 40k disembarknig just a tad more or fast rolling dice and bulling people into results.

I don't agree with this mentality at all and I think it is despicable, but is is prevalent pretty much everywhere.

I'm curious about that first sentence and think you should elaborate, cause I can hoenstly say I've never played a game where my opponent out right cheated.

Hollismason wrote:

 Bodacious2182 wrote:
In anything competitive, and I mean anything, cheating is very common.

The prevailing mentality is that in any event where referees are present it is their responsibility to catch and punish any cheaters. If the referee is incompetent then it is easier to cheat. If anyone cheats then you are at a disadvantage. Game theory says it is more advantageous to cheat. Entire strategies and tactics are developed around cheating.

It usually is just very small things to get the slightest advantage. In casual sports it is pass interference, not calling yourself out, or in 40k disembarknig just a tad more or fast rolling dice and bulling people into results.

I don't agree with this mentality at all and I think it is despicable, but is is prevalent pretty much everywhere.

I'm curious about that first sentence and think you should elaborate, cause I can hoenstly say I've never played a game where my opponent out right cheated.

I had a guy say he had LOS to shoot me in 6th, and I went and checked and he didn't. He looked and then Preceded to move his guy up a full 2 inches in height and said "there". I was like nope, your in shooting phase AND already shot with other stuff.

I had a guy in 5th move his vindicator 7-8 inches. We got into shooting and he tried to shoot me with it (he also shot other stuff before hand). I said he can't shoot it...he moved it back 2 inches and shot anyways...I was dumbfounded since I was new then. That was in a tournament also.

Yeah but is that really "cheating" or just being a dick. I mean really cheating like " Yeah I'll play you in 2000 points, brngs 2200" etc..

I just have never as far as I am aware encountered it. Also am I making it up or wasnt there a 40k gaming group a group of people that were always accused of stuff like this. This was probably a while back. I think some sort of crew.

Anway yeah I mean like loaded dice etc..

How many examples do you want?

Bolscon a few years ago a guys put a wound on his Doom of Malantai after failing a saved caused by a krak missile. Thats just "being ignorant" yah right, anybody who took him knew that was his main weakness.

Rhino is on back corner of the table and a tau opponent surrounds it with kroot (or some other unit that can melee a rhino to death, I dunno) to attempt to blow it up and autokill the guys who diesembark. If the back corners of the rhino are touching the two table edges and there is enough room for one or two guys back there, how did the enemy move to that spot while still remaining on the board?

In casual sports, go watch 10 minutes of a dodgeball game and see how many people don't call themselves out. Go watch any flag football game and pass interference and other minor rules are routinely broken. There is a whole culture of cheating in professional paintball.

In professional sports, Tour De France is the most prominent example, and the Patriots for football back in 2007 are good examples, but little things are tweaking baseballs, corking bats, etc.

In MMA illegal moves are rampant, but there is only one ref and if he didn't see it, then what?

zilka86 wrote:
also is playing 2000pts games the only way to play as most groups will not play any thing under 2000pts

Yes. It's under chapter 69 in the BRB: "If you play a game where the point limit isn't 2000 points exactly, the IRS will reposes your house." Now you'd understand why people wouldn't want that happening, right?

zilka86 wrote:
I no longer play with a gaming groups our trouny because its seems lots off people just cheat to win our the rules they use just seem like bs like there taking advantage of me not knowing ever little rule and useing against me. Is this a very common thing people do against new people our people who play the game very causal. I have seen a group i use to go to just lie and cheat new people to the game. also is playing 2000pts games the only way to play as most groups will not play any thing under 2000pts

I thought you only played with your brother?? Also...

zilka86 wrote:
I no longer play with a gaming groups our trouny because its seems lots off people just cheat to win our the rules they use just seem like bs like there taking advantage of me not knowing ever little rule and useing against me. Is this a very common thing people do against new people our people who play the game very causal. I have seen a group i use to go to just lie and cheat new people to the game. also is playing 2000pts games the only way to play as most groups will not play any thing under 2000pts

I am sorry but what in the nine levels of the abyss are you saying?

 Bodacious2182 wrote:
How many examples do you want?

Bolscon a few years ago a guys put a wound on his Doom of Malantai after failing a saved caused by a krak missile. Thats just "being ignorant" yah right, anybody who took him knew that was his main weakness.

Rhino is on back corner of the table and a tau opponent surrounds it with kroot (or some other unit that can melee a rhino to death, I dunno) to attempt to blow it up and autokill the guys who diesembark. If the back corners of the rhino are touching the two table edges and there is enough room for one or two guys back there, how did the enemy move to that spot while still remaining on the board?

In casual sports, go watch 10 minutes of a dodgeball game and see how many people don't call themselves out. Go watch any flag football game and pass interference and other minor rules are routinely broken. There is a whole culture of cheating in professional paintball.

In professional sports, Tour De France is the most prominent example, and the Patriots for football back in 2007 are good examples, but little things are tweaking baseballs, corking bats, etc.

In MMA illegal moves are rampant, but there is only one ref and if he didn't see it, then what?

During my minor hockey days, US teams were notorious for coming up here and playing at least 1 division down. For example, instead of playing at the 'A' level, they'd enter as a 'BB' or even as a 'B' team in order to ensure themselves a much better shot at winning the championship for that division...
There were a few Ontario teams who were also rather notorious for entering tournaments a division level below what they should have been.

Mississauga Girls Hockey organisation was corrupt as fething hell back in the day too, and as a majority of their league heads were also on the top rungs of the OWHA itself, they'd BS their way through Provincial play downs to ensure their teams would get in.
It was rather amusing to see how they suddenly stopped winning so damn much once the OWHA was cleaned up of most of their people and they were forced to play by the rules!

The Sarnia teams we'd play against the odd time in a tournament were more like footballers with all their diving and flopping around, while then trying to spear, slash, blindside and even kick you back in return.


Seriously, sports in general are all about being the bigger donkey-cave and not getting caught! You don't even want to contemplate the dirty tactics used in face-offs in hockey.

Mhm i tought dakkadakka by now had put in their guidelines not to reply towards Zika posts

I just find this interesting, I've just never played a game with someone who cheated. Weird.

Hollismason wrote:
Cheat to win , Wooooooooooooooooo!

Slapstick?

I find 40K plyers to be the biggest bunch of cheats I have ever encountered. I have never experienced it in other games to the degree I do in this game. Which is why I am very selective in who I play and rarely do random pick up games in a store.

Is it so hard for people to learn the rules so that the opponent cant cheat? Sure they can say that theyre doing stuff, but if they broke the rules to do it why do you have to go along with it?

All it takes is a simple "no" a checking of the rulebook and a pair of balls.

Forgive us for not assuming everyone is trying to cheat at all times and not memorising the entire rulebook.

whenever someone tried something i thought seemed suspicious, i always asked to see their codex, and usually came away going 'wow, that unit's a bit broken'... particularly 5th ed blood angels grey knights.
i only ever played against one guy who was actually cheating, but it was 'only' on movement, and i was whipping him him pretty soundly anyways, so i mostly let it slide. what he would do is put his tape measure down, start moving a unit, and lift the tape before he set the actual unit back down, mostly with vehicles. he probably moved his land raider an extra 2 inches every turn. when he moved it 8 inches and declared combat speed, i mentioned that when he started shooting, and he didn't argue with me.

Sure they can say that theyre doing stuff, but if they broke the rules to do it why do you have to go along with it?

All it takes is a simple "no" a checking of the rulebook and a pair of balls.

This ... um ... sort of. lol

I find that 9 times out of ten when I hear "Had a game with so and so and they're a huge cheater", I'll go watch whomever the accused cheater is. Almost every time what's happening is that the person legitimately has a misunderstanding of how something works and is inadvertently misusing a unit/rule/power, etc. Because of that and the fact that the people they've played just let it go because they were afraid to say something, it just keeps happening and somehow people look at that person as "cheating" even when they have no such intentions. Usually all you have to do is politely point it out an you're good to go. Then again maybe my group is just generally better to play with?

I HAVE seen blatant cheating at higher level tournaments but really, that's been a very very rare thing and I've been in since the last days of RT.