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Kinda Sickening to me. How can she get away with stuff like this in the name of "Conservation"

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/kendall-takes-wild-facebook-controversy?bffb

Because all the people outraged are not throwing cash at the conservation programs in Africa to keep them funded.

They generate 75 million from managed hunts to keep these sanctuaries open... and people who donate only generate 9 million with 9 million in government grants.

If maybe all the people outraged actually spent their money and effort, these conservation programs wouldn't need to take this blood money... but internet outrage is usually done by non-involved cheapskates.

The alternative is to not take the money, end the hunts, have the reserves closed, and taken over by corrupted governments and developed for cattle and all those animals to go extinct.

So yeah, I think I will take 'conservation off the backs of big game hunters' over 'shutdown and extinction at the hands of penniless lazy internet whiners.'

To every moron who clogged my facebook feed this week with this story... I recommend http://www.awf.org/

A great Charity, and while they do have to help maintain game preserves, it is due to lack of actual funding. the work they have done with endangered species has been amazing. If they had 1 dollar for every time someone forwarded this stories link they probably could double their funding.

Hunting isn't illegal. It's approved of by the African governments and they set limits on animals taken each year/have conservation areas where hunting is not permitted. I fail to see any difference between this and someone hunting American game.

Heck, I've wanted to go on an African safari for years now. What I want to know is what her parents do, those per-animal fees are not cheap for most of that game. I wonder if she has a boyfriend...I want to marry into some of that kind of money!

I think we can all pray that lions eat her face, then she gets gored by a hippo and finally trampled by elephants. It's the only way.

Seriously though she's glamourising something that many countries are having problems stamping out.

People who hunt like this are disgusting.

These animals had to die.

You have to control the population and kill some of them or it becomes too difficult for all of them to remain alive as a viable herd.

That is conservation in a nutshell and the culling of the herd has to be done for different reasons:

- You kill one, so that the rest can survive on the resources that are available.
- You kill an animal that is hurting the group itself, which often happens when an old alpha-male tries to kill every other male even if they are not a threat to him.
- An animal with sickness is hurting the herd.

There is no way around it, these animals have to be removed from the herd so that the herd can survive. Now that we have established that these animals have to die we have two basic options:

1) Game Wardens can kill them. The objective is achieved, the herd is healthy.
2) Permitted Hunters can kill them. The objective is achieved, the herd is healthy, and the preserve has additional money to continue operation.

It's nothing to be outraged over.

It's no different than having an old car that needs to be junked. You can take it to the junkyard and let them junk it, or you can put in in a parking lot and charge people $10 to take 3 swings with a sledgehammer to junk it and raise money for [insert pet project here] while you are doing it.


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 Medium of Death wrote:
I think we can all pray that lions eat her face, then she gets gored by a hippo and finally trampled by elephants. It's the only way.

Seriously though she's glamourising something that many countries are having problems stamping out.

Countries are having problems stamping out conservation?

People who hunt like this are disgusting.

They are doing a job that needs to be done, and they pay good money to these areas to do it which is then used to keep all the animals alive.

These are the type of hunters that are disgusting:



Poachers who hunt healthy animals that are important for the survival of the herd, cut of what they want, and leave the rest there to rot.

Hunting takes many forms. Hunters who poach are the scum of the earth. Hunters who hunt for conservation are doing a helpful job. And you have people like this chick who might not be conservationists at heart, but who hunt in a legal fashion and only take the animal they are instructed to take and support the local conservation program by culling the herd and paying them good money to do so.

Seriously, people have nothing better to complain about than this? Terrorists are burning the Middle East down, our country is on the tank, the president is a weak limp wristed pansy with no respect and the bad guys in the world are laughing at him, our borders are being flooded with illegals, and people are concerned about someone legally hunting some animals? Get your heads out of your asses people. There are more important things to worry about.

Ah. She's from Texas.

I went on a safari in January. I shot lots of animals, with a camera.

I don't see what is so exciting about killing these animals. I fail to see how it can be more engaging to pursue one with the goal of killing it, than with the goal of filming it, of attempting to take that one great shot.

I understand the economics of these sanctioned hunting trips, I fail to understand the desire to do it.

I'm going to leave this here though, because it's a nicer image than the one above.




I didn't even have to kill either of them...

I'm a pro-gun hunter kind of guy, but I find this disgusting.

Raven911 wrote:
Seriously, people have nothing better to complain about than this? Terrorists are burning the Middle East down, our country is on the tank, the president is a weak limp wristed pansy with no respect and the bad guys in the world are laughing at him, our borders are being flooded with illegals, and people are concerned about someone legally hunting some animals? Get your heads out of your asses people. There are more important things to worry about.

You tell that truth brother.

YEAH!



YEAH!

Keep preachin'. 24/7/365. Keeps the hope of abetter america tommorow alive.

 Redbeard wrote:

I understand the economics of these sanctioned hunting trips, I fail to understand the desire to do it.

I agree... But photo safaris and charitable donations alone would spell death for these animals... If someone gets a boner for killing a lion and pays 500k for it... if the alternative is 'nothing' then so be it.

I have worked in US parks and had to do 'conservation' activities which involved dealing with managed huts and population control. It sucks... but is needed. At least most of the animals we had to cull could be turned into food and used in our area.

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 Medium of Death wrote:
I think we can all pray that lions eat her face, then she gets gored by a hippo and finally trampled by elephants. It's the only way.

Seriously though she's glamourising something that many countries are having problems stamping out.

Countries are having problems stamping out conservation?

People who hunt like this are disgusting.

They are doing a job that needs to be done, and they pay good money to these areas to do it which is then used to keep all the animals alive.

I think you're being deliberately obtuse there, unless you think I said she was glamourising conservation.

The job doesn't need to be done in such a manor. The animals could be put to sleep.

At the end of the day all she is doing is taking glamour shots with dead big game animals so absolute witches can rub one out to a power fantasy of them killing one and then fething her on it.

Money is obviously an issue but they can get just as much money from tourism. Like Redbeard, my parents recently went on tours to see many of these wonderful creatures and nothing had to die.

If they are endangered why would they need to be culled? It seems odd that a species would be low enough on population to get on the endangered list while simultaneously having enough numbers that we need to organize hunts to keep the population in check.

I thought that, but I assume it's elderly animals. It still confuses me though.

Funny how the typical westerner has little to no idea on real conservation efforts that the people in africa are making.

these game parks, whether you believe in it or not, are playing a vital role in keeping these species alive and protected, they are necessary until a time in which mankind develops some sort of baseline respect for the environment and the wildlife living in it collectively, then measures like this are necessary

these game parks play a neccesary role in the conservation effort, these kills bankroll and finance the protection of these game reserves
*they provide local villages a share of the profit and employment
*many villages and farmers view alot of these animals as pest's so they kill them either to protect their farms of for there meat

* the money incentive will stop poor farmers and villages from killing them outright, whilst the tens of thousands of us dollars to be made assigns a sense of worth to the people, meaning whilst it's all fair and well for some white person living in a developed counry who has probably already exterminated most of their flora and fauna to view this is as some sort of outrage, to the poor un-educated farmer or villager who has no real understanding of the environmental value each species plays in their ecosystem, or perhaps who's friend or family member may have been attacked by a lion or perhaps their vegetable crop has been trampled by a herd of elphants ther point of view is going to be different.

there are many reasons why these species are dissapearing and they need to be adressed urgently
such as

* traditional medicines common in asia and western countries that use parts of endangered species, one of the greatest reasons for these maginificent creatures dying out
* trinkets such as furs and pelts and all other crap using ivory rhino parts, particulalry by wealthy asians and westerners

land shrinking for development, also think about that coffe your drinking those coffe beans probably came from land which has been cleared coffe bean pantations and all the species of animas that have been destroyed for the western addiction of caffiene

and the iphone your using, those precious metals have been mined in some developing country, where the land has been cleared and the habitat for these animals has been destoryed, also the cheap timber furniture probably comes from the same place

so my arguement basically is that as of right now these game parks are playing a pivotal role in preserving these species, it doesnt matter whether you think it's right or wrong, what matter is it work's and is working, and until the world collectively places some sort of value on the enviroment in which we live and actually makes an effort to conserve what is left. then parks like these are the solution we have,or put more effort into helping developing countries such as those throughout africa with their enviroment than out choices are limited

Just because we don't agree with it isnt going to stop the demand or poaching of these species. For now these game parks are working so its just something people are going to have to deal with.

PS i do not condone these practices, but if its making an impact of preserving these species then i will support it, regardless of the morality of it, because morality is not going to save these beautful creatures

As I understand it there is limited hunting of some endangered species in order to conserve them. Not being a specialist I don't know the particulars but it seems that she is at least part of this program in some way.

Necessity, but it doesn't need to be glamourised.

Aside from support from countless hunters, the Sportsman Channel will be airing a show in 2015 featuring Jones and her amazing hunting adventures. Stay tuned.

Clearly all about the conservation and not shooting a lion in the face.

Yes on a game park she would have payed tens of thousands of dollars to kill each animal.

that money would've been split up between, the local villages, the government and then that money is used to preserve the game parks, so manage the breeding and pay rangers to patrol and protect the land

Im not entirely sure what the issue is but from what i understand
she was given/bought permission to take out animals within a conservation area probably meaning that those specific animals are relatively sustained? or is it that people are having problems with them killing animals with bullets as it is not "humane"

Here's how it works. You as a hunter pay a safari agency per day to house you and have an expert guide to lead you around/generally put up with you being an idiot who doesn't know what they're doing. usually for a couple of weeks. The agency keeps that money and usually gets a pretty nice profit.

Per each animal you actually want to shoot you need to pay a certain "game tax". This varies from about $50 for a wildebeest or baboon to a few hundred for various planes game, and quickly approaches "if you have to ask..." territory for the prestige stuff like leopards or elephants. Note that this money is paid regardless of whether you actually get the animal you want. You shoot and fail to bring the animal down? Still have to pay. To the best of my knowledge that is a mainly government tax that is used to keep the remaining population alive. They hire experts to figure out how many animals they can have hunted while still keeping the population stable to increasing.

A friend of mine grew up in Africa and had some experience with various hunting safari companies. That's where I heard this from. If I'm wrong I apologize in advance.

Just because the money is being used for conservation doesn't make it any less repulsive.

Look, someone who can afford to drop $100,000 to shoot an elephant, and who claims to care about conservation, could just as easily donate that money to a conservation program.

The bottom line is that the people engaging in these programs don't really care about conservation. Conservation is being inflicted upon them in order to legitimize their desire to kill beautiful things.

It's a real shame that so many parks can only afford to protect these species by pandering to these rich hunters. Necessary evils are still evil.

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I think we can all pray that lions eat her face, then she gets gored by a hippo and finally trampled by elephants. It's the only way.

Seriously though she's glamourising something that many countries are having problems stamping out.

Countries are having problems stamping out conservation?

People who hunt like this are disgusting.

They are doing a job that needs to be done, and they pay good money to these areas to do it which is then used to keep all the animals alive.

I think you're being deliberately obtuse there, unless you think I said she was glamourising conservation.

The job doesn't need to be done in such a manor. The animals could be put to sleep.

At the end of the day all she is doing is taking glamour shots with dead big game animals so absolute witches can rub one out to a power fantasy of them killing one and then fething her on it.

Money is obviously an issue but they can get just as much money from tourism. Like Redbeard, my parents recently went on tours to see many of these wonderful creatures and nothing had to die.

They still get the same amount from tourism even with the hunting. But it would cost them a lot of money to just put them to sleep.

They don't need to put them to sleep at all. Would you believe that eco-systems existed before humans showed up to manage them.

I was over there, nothing goes to waste. An old, wounded animal feeds predators, then feeds scavengers, then feeds insects. And, then the hyenas eat all the bones besides the skulls. (That's the reason you will find skulls and no other animal remains - the skull is the only part the hyenas leave).

I don't believe that any of these hunts are part of a planned culling, because the parks that don't have hunting have stable populations. They're part of generating cash, hopefully to pay for conservation, but knowing Africa, much of that money probably finds its way into someone's pocket.

Sorry I'd comment but I don't have a dog in this hunt.

Badoomwhah yes I'll be here all week.

 Redbeard wrote:
They don't need to put them to sleep at all. Would you believe that eco-systems existed before humans showed up to manage them.

I was over there, nothing goes to waste. An old, wounded animal feeds predators, then feeds scavengers, then feeds insects. And, then the hyenas eat all the bones besides the skulls. (That's the reason you will find skulls and no other animal remains - the skull is the only part the hyenas leave).

I don't believe that any of these hunts are part of a planned culling, because the parks that don't have hunting have stable populations. They're part of generating cash, hopefully to pay for conservation, but knowing Africa, much of that money probably finds its way into someone's pocket.

Happy the photo safari made you an expert in wildlife management and conservation. I've been on a military base before, where do I apply for Secretary of Defense?

 d-usa wrote:

 Redbeard wrote:
They don't need to put them to sleep at all. Would you believe that eco-systems existed before humans showed up to manage them.

I was over there, nothing goes to waste. An old, wounded animal feeds predators, then feeds scavengers, then feeds insects. And, then the hyenas eat all the bones besides the skulls. (That's the reason you will find skulls and no other animal remains - the skull is the only part the hyenas leave).

I don't believe that any of these hunts are part of a planned culling, because the parks that don't have hunting have stable populations. They're part of generating cash, hopefully to pay for conservation, but knowing Africa, much of that money probably finds its way into someone's pocket.

Happy the photo safari made you an expert in wildlife management and conservation. I've been on a military base before, where do I apply for Secretary of Defense?

That depends. How many goals did you block?

Outrage!

Faux-righteous indignation!

Ban the name Lions and Tigers from all Sports Teams! It's offensive to the animal!

LOL at the person acting like "put to sleep" is different from killed.


seriously, you are ignorant if you think that these hunts are not a good thing...

everyone benifits, the other side of the coin is to lose funding, and thus more animals...

controlled, responsable hunting is not the issue,

POACHERS are the issue, and funding from people like this girl is what stops poaching.

some very good points have been made about "do nothing, spend nothing" internet quarter backs thinking their outrage does more good then actual people giving money to stop poaching/extinction hunting,

these do nothings/spend nothings tend to ignore the fact that hunters and their orgs are by FAR the largest contributers to preserving wildlife heritage around the world.

OFC all the do nothing spend nothing types will disagree,

Sure i get people think hunting is 100% bad for the environment but hunters enjoy the environment just as much as the next guy, maybe even more as they spend more time in it. Back when ducks were going down it was ducks unlimited, not the environmental movement that bought up a crud ton of marshes and set them aside for the ducks to preserve them for future generations. And this was funded by contributions by hunters and people entering raffles for commemorative shotguns.

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OFC all the do nothing spend nothing types will disagree,

So, Insult those who disagree with them. How do you know they are "Do nothing Spend Nothing" Types?
If they disagree they must be nobodies who do nothing but get mad and type. Nopes its not like I dont give to thee WWF or things like that.