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Good afternoon guys and gals - I have a few simple questions, which are managing to confuse the ever-loving heck out of me. I didn't quite know if this was the right place to ask, but it seemed better than any. If it's not, please move?

Questions ahoy!

1. As the title states, just how many Combined Arms Detachments can I take, anyway?

In the rule book it states that you can make a Combined Arms Detachment so long as the Units for this Detachment come from the same Faction, where Faction = Codex or Supplement. So how many of these CADs can I take? Is this number Unlimited? So long as I fill the requirements for the Force Organization Chart for each one, can I take as many Combined Arms Detachments as I'd like?

For instance, if I was building a Tau army, could I write this as ...

CAD1: HQ: Cadre Fireblade || Troops: 2 x 6 Fire Warriors
CAD2: HQ: Cadre Fireblade || Troops: 2 x 6 Fire Warriors
CAD3: HQ: Cadre Fireblade || Troops: 2 x 6 Fire Warriors

and so on?

Or something like this for Tyranids ...

CAD1: HQ: Hive Tyrant || Troops: 2 x 10 Termagants
CAD1: HQ: Hive Tyrant || Troops: 2 x 10 Termagants
CAD1: HQ: Hive Tyrant || Troops: 2 x 10 Termagants

Thus effectively getting 3 Tyranid HQ choices in one army?

2. If I can take as many Combined Arms Detachments as I'd like, is the full Army Composition considered my "Primary Detachment"? Does this now mean each of those Troops Choices have Objective Secured? Or do I have to nominate one particular CAD as my Primary Detachment and then only those Troops Choices have OS?

Thanks for your time and attention.

As many as you want - unlimited. (so long as you're still within the points limit of course).

Example #1 = Correct.
Example #2 = Correct

No, you pick your Warlord and whatever CAD he's in becomes the Primary Detachment.

Yes, they will all have Objective Secured.

Selecting Detachments begins by stating the following:
You can include any number and type of Detachments in a Battle-forged army provided you have sufficient units.
Primary Detachments states the following:
If you organise your army using the Battle-forged method, whichever Detachment contains your Warlord is your Primary Detachment.
Command Benefits begins by stating the following:
This section of the Detachment lists any special rules or benefits that apply to some or all of the models in that Detachment.

I do not like the digital version as I can't just hand out page and paragraph so people can review these things for themselves, but I hope those Rule snips help and keep in mind those Sections will explain things in a lot more detail.

As a side note, if you are looking for more HQs you do not need to bring 3 CAD, you can do it in 2:

CAD1: HQ: Hive Tyrant x 2 || Troops: 2 x 10 Termagants
CAD2: HQ: Hive Tyrant || Troops: 2 x 10 Termagants

Since you are allowed the "old" FOC for a CAD you can have the 3 HQs

Just want to clarify here -

This is correct:

CAD#1 HQ: Cadre Fireblade (Warlord) || Troops: 2 x 6 Fire Wariors (Objective Secured)

CAD#2 HQ: Cadre Fireblade || Troops: 2 x 6 Fire Warriors
CAD#2 HQ: Cadre Fireblade || Troops: 2 x 6 Fire Warriors

This is incorrect:

CAD#1 HQ: Cadre Fireblade (Warlord) || Troops: 2 x 6 Fire Wariors (Objective Secured)

CAD#2 HQ: Cadre Fireblade || Troops: 2 x 6 Fire Warriors (Objective Secured)
CAD#2 HQ: Cadre Fireblade || Troops: 2 x 6 Fire Warriors (Objective Secured)

?

the 2nd one is correct. They'll all get ObSec.

Also you could this in a legal battleforged army:

CAD1: Fireblade, 2 x Fire Warriors (objective secured)
CAD2: Farsight, O'Vesa, 2 x Crisis teams (objective secured)
CAD3: Flyrant, Flyrant, 2 x termagants (objective secured)

So in short you can take as many CADs or indeed any other detachments as you want. Each detachment can be from a different codex or supplement. You pick 1 to be your primary and that must include your Warlord. All detachments get the command benefits regardless of whether they are your primary.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Also you could this in a legal battleforged army:

CAD1: Fireblade, 2 x Fire Warriors (objective secured)
CAD2: Farsight, O'Vesa, 2 x Crisis teams (objective secured)
CAD3: Flyrant, Flyrant, 2 x termagants (objective secured)

So in short you can take as many CADs or indeed any other detachments as you want. Each detachment can be from a different codex or supplement. You pick 1 to be your primary and that must include your Warlord. All detachments get the command benefits regardless of whether they are your primary.

I thought that the Combined Arms Detachments had to come from the same Faction (eg. Codex or Supplement). If the above is accurate and possible, then what would be the point in taking an Allied Detachment?

Mostly if you are building up an army and only have a single Troops choice.

Indeed, the benefit comes from the fact the Allied Detachment has one less Mandatory Troop Choice.

All the units within a Combined Arms Detachment must be from the same faction. However each CAD can be a different faction. The Allied Detachment is largely redundant but allows you access to a Detachment with a requirement for only 1 troops choice.

As far s the *BRB* is concerned, you can even mix and match units from the various supplements in a single CAD

HQ: from CSM
Troop: From Black Leagion
Troop: From Crimson SLaughter

(NOTE: The BRB allows this, you need to check with the specific supplements to see if they allow it.)


You also *dont* have to have a CAD at all.

A Nid Battle Forged army:
Skyblight
Skyblight

As far s the *BRB* is concerned, you can even mix and match units from the various supplements in a single CAD 

HQ: from CSM 
Troop: From Black Leagion 
Troop: From Crimson SLaughter 

(NOTE: The BRB allows this, you need to check with the specific supplements to see if they allow it.) 

Note that this is not possible with any current supplement due to the rules contained within each. I would be very surprised if this was to change in the future.

All of them

 FlingitNow wrote:

As far s the *BRB* is concerned, you can even mix and match units from the various supplements in a single CAD 

HQ: from CSM 
Troop: From Black Leagion 
Troop: From Crimson SLaughter 

(NOTE: The BRB allows this, you need to check with the specific supplements to see if they allow it.) 

Note that this is not possible with any current supplement due to the rules contained within each. I would be very surprised if this was to change in the future.

Except that the way the supplements are currently worded... the game doesn't quite work. There is some credible debate about how to resolve that.

coredump wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:

As far s the *BRB* is concerned, you can even mix and match units from the various supplements in a single CAD 

HQ: from CSM 
Troop: From Black Leagion 
Troop: From Crimson SLaughter 

(NOTE: The BRB allows this, you need to check with the specific supplements to see if they allow it.) 

Note that this is not possible with any current supplement due to the rules contained within each. I would be very surprised if this was to change in the future.

Except that the way the supplements are currently worded... the game doesn't quite work. There is some credible debate about how to resolve that.

The best way to avoid the debate is doing what I do (assuming this is legal with other supplements, though I don't see why it wouldn't be)

CAD1 (Primary): Clan Raukaan
CAD2: Iron Hands

One wouldn't be able to take both in one CAD as Raukaan replaces the relics available to that detachment.

hq1- tyranid prime
gaunt gants

hq2 - tyranid prime
gaunt gant

hq3 - tyranid prime
gaunt gant

hq4 - tyranid prime
gaunt gant

hq5 - tyranid prime
gaunt gant

hq6 - tyranid prime
gaunt gant

and then add 54 biovores.
sum total no add ons 3450.

i guess you could ya.

So if I take a CAD of armies of the imperium faction CAD of orks. Do I have to deploy them 12 inches from each other or no? Cuz of the come the apocalypse allied thingy mabobber

i don't have the chart in front of me... ut if its come the apocalype then yes. thats not a very friendly alliance, and i personally wouldn't ally anything other than brothers and convenience.

I ask because I play DA and orks and since some orks(blood axes I think) are known to work as mercenaries for the imperium. It would be nice to play both with out having to worry about rolling g 1's

coredump wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:

As far s the *BRB* is concerned, you can even mix and match units from the various supplements in a single CAD 

HQ: from CSM 
Troop: From Black Leagion 
Troop: From Crimson SLaughter 

(NOTE: The BRB allows this, you need to check with the specific supplements to see if they allow it.) 

Note that this is not possible with any current supplement due to the rules contained within each. I would be very surprised if this was to change in the future.

Except that the way the supplements are currently worded... the game doesn't quite work. There is some credible debate about how to resolve that.

Except that The Space Marine FAQ reinforces the Idea that a detachment(any Type of detachment) from a given Book is a that detachment. Case in point: "Page 77 - Chapter Tactics The First sentence should read: 'When choosing a Space Marines Detachment, choose one of the Chapters listed in this section.'"

So since the Codex has been changed to only allow, and demand Chapter Tactyics in a Space Marines detachment, A Space Marines Detachment must be any Detachment you make of Space Marines. Clan Raukaan Detachments would be the exact same thing, as Would a Farsight Enclaves Detachment and a Crimson Slaughter detachment.

The rules are clear and supported, you can only have supplement "units"(units with the requirements, restrictions, and benefits found in the supplement) in a supplement detachment, going both ways(If you have a supplement detachment you may only have supplement units, in order to have supplement units you must have a supplement detachment)

Except that the way the supplements are currently worded... the game doesn't quite work. There is some credible debate about how to resolve that.

The game works fine the way it is currently worded if you take the term "X Detachment" to mean a detachment using X supplement/codex, you know l just as you would in normal use of English. As Kel points out they are consistent in using this type of Terminology.

The only debate is with Waaagh Ghazghul. RaW it gives us a definition of a Waaagh Ghazghul Detachment, which can be taken as a full definition or an addition. The former means only detachments in Waaagh Ghazghul can be WG Detachments, the later means that all the Detachments contained in WG are WG detachments but you may also choose to nominate a CAD or AD (or possibly even an Ork Horde) as a WG Detachment. The later being less close to the RaW but IMHO closer to the RaI.

 FlingitNow wrote:

Except that the way the supplements are currently worded... the game doesn't quite work. There is some credible debate about how to resolve that.

The game works fine the way it is currently worded if you take the term "X Detachment" to mean a detachment using X supplement/codex, you know l just as you would in normal use of English. As Kel points out they are consistent in using this type of Terminology.

The only debate is with Waaagh Ghazghul. RaW it gives us a definition of a Waaagh Ghazghul Detachment, which can be taken as a full definition or an addition. The former means only detachments in Waaagh Ghazghul can be WG Detachments, the later means that all the Detachments contained in WG are WG detachments but you may also choose to nominate a CAD or AD (or possibly even an Ork Horde) as a WG Detachment. The later being less close to the RaW but IMHO closer to the RaI.

Waaagh Ghazghul rules are even better written, they are not "Waaagh Ghazghul detachments" that use the restrictions, requyirements, and Benefits; but rather "Detachments and Formations found in this book". So the Only "Waaagh Ghazghul detachment" that uses the supplement rules is the one specified in that supplement, not a CAD declared a WG Detachment.

Edit: Sorry it is specifically the Great Waaagh Detachment in that book, not just Detachments found in this book. So Only the great Waaagh Detachment, which is a specific Detachment. The core of my post remains unchanged, just updating for correctness.

How many Codex: Inquisition CADs can be taken?

 Byte wrote:
How many Codex: Inquisition CADs can be taken?

There's no such thing.

Or do you mean a CAD (the Combined Arms Detachment from the Rulebook) using the Inquisition book? In which case none.
Inquisition forces have no Troops, so can't fufill the minimum 2 Troop requirements.

They can however use the Inquisitorial Detachment found in their codex. And you may take as many as you wish.

So to answer all the questions:
Yes, yes, no, no, no, because Allied Detachment only need one Troops, yes, none since Inquisition has no troops which are mandatory in a CAD.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/608505.page
I now have two great images that would probably answer most questions.
If you ever get confused, print them out and hang them above your bed.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Also you could this in a legal battleforged army:

CAD1: Fireblade, 2 x Fire Warriors (objective secured)
CAD2: Farsight, O'Vesa, 2 x Crisis teams (objective secured)
CAD3: Flyrant, Flyrant, 2 x termagants (objective secured)

So in short you can take as many CADs or indeed any other detachments as you want. Each detachment can be from a different codex or supplement. You pick 1 to be your primary and that must include your Warlord. All detachments get the command benefits regardless of whether they are your primary.

I thought the Tyranid detachment would not get objective secured as it doesn't share the same faction as the warlord. Thus the only way to get objective secured ona different faction is to use an Allied detachment?

Objective Secured is a bonus you get for having a CAD.
That has nothing to do with Warlord/Primary Detachment.

 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:
Also you could this in a legal battleforged army:

CAD1: Fireblade, 2 x Fire Warriors (objective secured)
CAD2: Farsight, O'Vesa, 2 x Crisis teams (objective secured)
CAD3: Flyrant, Flyrant, 2 x termagants (objective secured)

So in short you can take as many CADs or indeed any other detachments as you want. Each detachment can be from a different codex or supplement. You pick 1 to be your primary and that must include your Warlord. All detachments get the command benefits regardless of whether they are your primary.

I thought the Tyranid detachment would not get objective secured as it doesn't share the same faction as the warlord. Thus the only way to get objective secured ona different faction is to use an Allied detachment?

What makes you think that? What in the rules ties ObSec to your Warlord's detachment?

Just a mistaken assumption I guess. Huh. So there is truly no good reason to take an allied detachment then...