Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.
Now, I understand how this may not be news-worthy to some. Just wanted to spread it around because I think it's hilarious and a sliver of my being tells me it is my duty to share this. I think these Marines are acting with a supremely high level of self control.
Apparently Sergeant Majors are now Officers, as well. "See, in Iraq, I don't know if ya'll kids ever been over there.. Now, this is classified"
Semper Fi, and don't forget to always call people on this crap in public but please for the love of Tzeentch do not get yourself in trouble with violence. These guys here are doing it perfectly.
This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2014/07/20 19:22:20
Huh. Well they have his plates now, so something'll probably be done, if the guys really care that much. I would've had the National Guard guy on hand though if that kind of thing is an offence as it is such an odd way of drawing attention to yourself. I mean people lie all the time to make themselves seem more important than they think they are, but there's certain cases where its in bad tastes (and well if its against the law maybe don't flaunt it when there's guys around who'll call you out on it and report you).
Wyrmalla wrote: (and well if its against the law maybe don't flaunt it when there's guys around who'll call you out on it and report you).
It's not unlawful in the US to merely impersonate a member of the military or to claim service that you did not serve; however once you cross the threshold of gaining something of tangible value based on those lies, you can be charged with fraud, and additional federal charges specific to an unauthorized wearing of a Medal of Valor, if applicable.
lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
Ah, see I thought it would be classed as fraud, but didn't know if in the US just impersonating a military officer was illegal. It probably wouldn't be hard for a court to find something to pin on a guy acting like this though if the judge really wanted to, but I suppose that's down to how much of a donkey cave they were acting. Though who'd want to mess with a Marine MP Special Forces Purple Heart Bronze/Silver Star Presidential Honour Officer? I bet that guy could've shot laser beams out of his eyes if he wanted to. =P
It's people like this that make me, no matter how messed up or ridiculous I get, that make me feel 10 rungs higher on the food chain than I otherwise would feel.
I forget the guys name, but I remember David Hackworth calling out some Air Force general on a fairly prestigious medal he didn't earn and the guy killed himself. Every time I see something like this, I think of that.
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
I forget the guys name, but I remember David Hackworth calling out some Air Force general on a fairly prestigious medal he didn't earn and the guy killed himself. Every time I see something like this, I think of that.
CHARLESTON, SC – Jody Siever spends his Friday nights like so many American servicemen and women, mingling while kicking back drinks at a local bar. Recognizing the giveaway military haircut of a fellow patron, he approaches with an arm extended.
“Welcome home, soldier.” Smiling, though apparently puzzled, the stranger returns a firm, brief handshake.
“Thanks, but I’m in the Navy. And I haven’t been anywhere—I’m in Nuke School,” he replies, referring to the Naval Nuclear Power Training Center in Goose Creek, S.C.
“That’s cool,” Siever says, “I almost thought about joining the Navy for a while, but if I did join the service, I would have gone into the Army. I’m just kind of hardcore like that. Shooting bad guys in the face—that’s the life for me. If I wanted it.”
Siever, you see, never actually enlisted.
Veteran servicemembers often find it difficult to relate their experiences in the military to friends and family back home, but a new civilian organization is working to expand that exclusive brotherhood. The Bros Before Joes campaign, established in 2011, seeks to legitimize the efforts of people like Siever, whose commitments to serving in the military range from the hypothetical to the nearly realized.
“We’ve got guys from all over the spectrum here. Some of our members, they merely thought about joining the Army a few times, or took the ASVAB in high school to get out of first period,” explains BBJ founder Trent Bower. “Other guys though, they got as far as making appointments to go to MEPS [Military Entrance Processing Station], but then something important came up.”
A near-Marine himself, Bower recounts his own brush with fate:
“I talked with a Marine recruiter a few times in high school, even attended a couple of pool functions at the recruiting office. It got to the point that I was there so often, the recruiters even started calling me ‘Boot.’ They were practically begging me to enlist, but I always knew I was meant for something more meaningful.”
Bower, a 31-year old assistant manager at a successful pizza delivery franchise, started the Bros Before Joes campaign in his spare time, seeking to bring recognition to others who share his story. For Siever, and thousands of almost-soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines like him, the organization is a long-overdue ray of hope.
Says Siever, “It’s great, you know, to finally be able to reach out and connect with others who share your non-experiences. After giving so much, dedicating so much time and energy to thinking about enlisting, it just feels like we’re finally getting the thanks we deserve.” And recognition has been swift in coming.
Thanks to a successful joint-lobbying campaign with the Almost Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, a bill is now before the Senate to approve Veteran’s Affairs benefits for BBJ and AIAVA members. The resolution received overwhelming bipartisan support in a House vote earlier this year from a majority of US Representatives who are themselves non-veterans.
Regarding the passage in the House, Rep. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) released this statement:
“This isn’t a Red-or-Blue, liberal-versus-conservative issue. It’s about giving near-veterans like me and many of my constituents the recognition we’ve been denied for far too long.” Currently, 345 out of 435, or roughly 80% of members of the U.S. House of Representatives, have no recorded military service.
As the bill nears the Senate floor, however, some opponents are voicing concerns. Senator and Navy veteran John McCain (R-AZ) held a press conference outside his home in Phoenix, Arizona on Tuesday, calling the bill “a mockery… of all that I hold dear.” He also stated that he would “rather tongue-kiss Jane Fonda” than vote to approve the measure. Before he could take questions, he had to be ushered away for medical treatment when blood began seeping from his clenched fist—reportedly from clutching his Silver Star too tightly.
And he’s not alone. Senator Daniel K. Inouye (D-HI) is an Army veteran of World War II and presently the only serving member of Congress to have earned a Congressional Medal of Honor. When presented with the bill’s full text, Sen. Inouye declared it “a perversion of our American values,” and refused to touch it, even with his prosthetic arm. Said Inouye, “I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.”
Despite these protests, the bill has mass appeal with civilians and near-veterans on both sides of the aisle. Arguments will begin in earnest when the Senate reconvenes next January. Until then, it’s a long wait for near-heroes like Siever and Bower.
Asked if he would do anything different given the opportunity, Bower harkens back to his non-Marine days:
“I just couldn’t leave all of this behind. I miss those pool functions, though. They were good times; some of the best times of my life. You just… you go through something like that, almost sacrificing so much, with such a close group of guys, and it really makes you brothers, you know? I even think I still have some recruitment brochures around here, somewhere.”
Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
No longer defending the US Military or US Gov't. Just going to ""**feed into your fears**"" with Duffel Blog Did not fight my way up on top the food chain to become a Vegan...
Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
DE 6700
Harlequin 2500
RIP Muhammad Ali.
Jihadin, Scorched Earth 791. Leader of the Pork Eating Crusader. Alpha
(1) Nature of offense. Impersonation does not depend upon the accused deriving a benefit from the deception or upon some third party being misled, although this is an aggravating factor.
Whoever, in any place within the jurisdiction of the United States or in the Canal Zone, without authority, wears the uniform or a distinctive part thereof or anything similar to a distinctive part of the uniform of any of the armed forces of the United States, Public Health Service or any auxiliary of such, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
So yes, merely impersonating a member of the military IS unlawful in the US.
This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 2014/07/21 00:06:56
You know you're really doing something when you can make strangers hate you over the Internet. - Mauleed
Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
Hallowed is the All Pie The Before Times: A Place That Celebrates The World That Was
Laughing Man wrote: UCMJ only applies to members of the military, doesn't it?
I added the US Law Code, too.
However, no, it also covers DoD Civilians in certain places.
This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2014/07/21 00:11:07
You know you're really doing something when you can make strangers hate you over the Internet. - Mauleed
Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
Hallowed is the All Pie The Before Times: A Place That Celebrates The World That Was
It's about a bill signed into law by Bush that allows UCMJ to try civilians in certain circumstances.
CITIZENS ELIGIBLE FOR MILITARY COURTS-MARTIAL Sen. Lindsay Graham added a provision to a spending bill that makes civilians eligible for military courts-martial. President Bush signed the legislation into law. So now, civilian government employees and journalists can be prosecuted under the Uniform Code Of Military Justice (UCMJ). The law will probably be challenged as unconstitutional. (Washington Times)
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/07/21 00:13:45
You know you're really doing something when you can make strangers hate you over the Internet. - Mauleed
Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
Hallowed is the All Pie The Before Times: A Place That Celebrates The World That Was
The law also says that you cannot wear the flag (aka: anything with red & white stripes and start as a decorative element) or that you cannot add it to sport uniforms.
Many laws on the books that would be unconstitutional to enforce.
Wyrmalla wrote: (and well if its against the law maybe don't flaunt it when there's guys around who'll call you out on it and report you).
It's not unlawful in the US to merely impersonate a member of the military or to claim service that you did not serve; however once you cross the threshold of gaining something of tangible value based on those lies, you can be charged with fraud, and additional federal charges specific to an unauthorized wearing of a Medal of Valor, if applicable.
Except in california, lying is protected under freedom of speech.
Medium of Death wrote: Listening to that Don guy calling these morons out is hilarious and cringe worthy all at the same time.
There was another guy claiming to be a SEAL that had photo shopped his face onto a picture of one of Don's buddies that had been killed. You could tell during the conversation that he held a special place in Don's heart.
Wyrmalla wrote: (and well if its against the law maybe don't flaunt it when there's guys around who'll call you out on it and report you).
It's not unlawful in the US to merely impersonate a member of the military or to claim service that you did not serve; however once you cross the threshold of gaining something of tangible value based on those lies, you can be charged with fraud, and additional federal charges specific to an unauthorized wearing of a Medal of Valor, if applicable.
Except in california, lying is protected under freedom of speech.
It's about a bill signed into law by Bush that allows UCMJ to try civilians in certain circumstances.
CITIZENS ELIGIBLE FOR MILITARY COURTS-MARTIAL
Sen. Lindsay Graham added a provision to a spending bill that makes civilians eligible for military courts-martial. President Bush signed the legislation into law. So now, civilian government employees and journalists can be prosecuted under the Uniform Code Of Military Justice (UCMJ). The law will probably be challenged as unconstitutional. (Washington Times)
5000pts 
6000pts 
3000pts
