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Putting aside the actual gameplay factor and looking at fluff only, do you like or dislike the new necron fluff.


Granted i have not actually read it first hand but i do like how they aren't just emotionless killing machines. I like how they have personalities yet are still enslaved by the Ctan

Its not bad really. I've read it like five times since I've nothing else to do..

I don't mind it as you can still have some acting as before - but it is now Tomb Kings (no Queens) in Spaaaaaaaaaaaaace - wish they had done a SF Khalida model

I prefered the C'tan as ongoing threats rather than being defeated

I dislike it a lot.

Assuming that the Necrontyr even had recognizable females I doubt that you would be able to tell once their flesh was liquefied and their consciousness transferred into a robotic skeleton. Lord or not.

That said, the new Necron fluff is fine. I have slowly warmed up to it over time.

You're either NewCron, who likes fluff written by a 13 year old stuck in the body of a middle-aged man...

...or you're TruCron, knowing that the actual Necron fluff can be found in the old Codex: Necrons.

Newcron fluff, while suffering from a tendency to get a little too over the top at times, succeeds in making the Necrons into something other than metal Tyranids. I'm not sure if a direct Tomb Kings in space expy was the best way to go, but considering the other fluff crimes Matt Ward has committed, the Newcrons are actually pretty good.

 Sigvatr wrote:
You're either NewCron, who likes fluff written by a 13 year old stuck in the body of a middle-aged man...

...or you're TruCron, knowing that the actual Necron fluff can be found in the old Codex: Necrons.

Newcron, which is vastly superior, and at least has some sort of originality even if it's Tomb Kings in space...

Or 'TruCron', aka metal tyranids who are even less interesting then they are.

 Androxine Vortex wrote:
Putting aside the actual gameplay factor and looking at fluff only, do you like or dislike the new necron fluff.


Granted i have not actually read it first hand but i do like how they aren't just emotionless killing machines. I like how they have personalities yet are still enslaved by the Ctan

You should really read it first-hand, because they aren't enslaved by the C'Tan. Quite the opposite, actually, as they destroyed the C'Tan and, in some cases, enslaved the sharded remains of their former masters.


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 Sigvatr wrote:
You're either NewCron, who likes fluff written by a 13 year old stuck in the body of a middle-aged man...

...or you're TruCron, knowing that the actual Necron fluff can be found in the old Codex: Necrons.

... or you're a change-adverse neckbeard who can't get over the fact that OldCrons were metal Tyranids.

I like the NewCrons. Added character and personality to the army. 40k only needs one mindless race bent on destroying the galaxy.

I like NewCrons more than Oldcrons but I have gripes with both. Really it comes down with NewCrons to more being a gripe that they are simply too overpowered in a world of overpower. Best tech, numerous thousands of hordes, star destroying weapons, best ships, immortal to no end. That said, I think it is improved despite losing that lovecraftian sense. They aren't terminators in space anymore and all that. Then again, I think I like the bland tomb in space more than metal tyranids with super brilliant gods of the real world that are the reason for everything.

Newcrons are bad, and oldcrons are better. Only unintelligent people who don't bathe like the former, and this is an objective fact.

Is it wrong if I still think the Void Dragon is a complete C'tan though?

Of course I'm a complete C'tan.

There should be two underscores in my name though.

While I like the idea behind the Necrons, I think Matt Ward did a horrible job writing the fluff. The codex was painful to read.

I really prefer the current Necrons, I find them much more interesting, they went from one of my least favourite factions to one of the best.

squidhills wrote:
Newcron fluff, while suffering from a tendency to get a little too over the top at times, succeeds in making the Necrons into something other than metal Tyranids. I'm not sure if a direct Tomb Kings in space expy was the best way to go, but considering the other fluff crimes Matt Ward has committed, the Newcrons are actually pretty good.

Pretty much this for me, too.

I do like their fluff changes, it gives them more options story wise.


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I do like their fluff changes, it gives them more options story wise.

the old fluff as I understand it, (I've not had the oppertunity to actually read it) made necrons unique among all races in that they didn't have a whole lot of room for differnt characterization. the new codex fluff gives that greater ability to make your models etc a little more unique.
with the new fluff if you WANT to do up your necrons in pink wearing baby bonnets it's possiable to explain. this "potential for customization" is IMHO important to build into your fluff for an army in a game like 40k.

Which is why it should be possible to make child-molesting Slaaneshi Grey Knights in the fluff. Hope the next codex allows this.

Mr Morden wrote:I don't mind it as you can still have some acting as before - but it is now Tomb Kings (no Queens) in Spaaaaaaaaaaaaace - wish they had done a SF Khalida model

I prefered the C'tan as ongoing threats rather than being defeated

Actually, there is a Tomb Queen in Imperial Armour 12. She's an insane, oldcron-style annihilist, but she's there.

Sigvatr wrote:You're either NewCron, who likes fluff written by a 13 year old stuck in the body of a middle-aged man...

...or you're TruCron, knowing that the actual Necron fluff can be found in the old Codex: Necrons.

Or you're an intelligent person capable of independent thought (or at least possess a younger sibling with those traits) and realise that the only differences is that the Necrons can now hack into the webway (but don't need to for FTL) and that the C'tan got screwed instead of doing the screwing.

And you're still a poseur hipster.

 Furyou Miko wrote:


Or you're an intelligent person capable of independent thought (or at least possess a younger sibling with those traits) and realise that the only differences is that the Necrons can now hack into the webway (but don't need to for FTL) and that the C'tan got screwed instead of doing the screwing.

And you're still a poseur hipster.

Do you actually believe this?

Oldcrons 4 lyfe. And after passing WBB.

Hacking the Webway would certainly help when they defeated the Old Ones. (who didn't seem to do anything of note but get beaten)

Mellow wrote:
Hacking the Webway would certainly help when they defeated the Old Ones. (who didn't seem to do anything of note but get beaten)

How about creating the Orks?

 Furyou Miko wrote:


Or you're an intelligent person capable of independent thought (or at least possess a younger sibling with those traits) and realise that the only differences is that the Necrons can now hack into the webway (but don't need to for FTL) and that the C'tan got screwed instead of doing the screwing.

And you're still a poseur hipster.

Hey, if you decide to like fluff written for 13 year olds by a 13 year old (stuck in the body of a middle-aged man), that's totally fine with me - your language, however, isn't :( Typical for NewCrons? Maybe.

If you want to take part in a fluff discussion, however, I would greatly appreciate if you would read up on both NewCron and TruCron fluff. Your comment on the aforementioned charges being the only changes suggests that you did not do so yet.

Dakka is big enough for both those who like OldCrons and those who like NewCrons. So please refrain from name-calling over this issue ... or any other, for that matter, given Rule Number One is Be Polite.

As for me, I prefer NewCrons. I like characters in my fluff. The OldCrons only had the C'tan for characters and they were too inherently mysterious/unknowable to really function as characters.

newcrons,

why? you still have oldCrons, but with so much more personality in most of them.

Want a faction expanding its empire? you have that.

want one that are the cliche and un inspiring terminators in space? you can have that as well.

I would rather have the character than just be mindless terminators to a man.

(I mean, isn't there one necron lord that collects stuff and or people? I mean, IIRC he has whole skirmishes frozen in time for him to look at)

 Sigvatr wrote:


Hey, if you decide to like fluff written for 13 year olds by a 13 year old (stuck in the body of a middle-aged man), that's totally fine with me - your language, however, isn't :( Typical for NewCrons? Maybe.

If you want to take part in a fluff discussion, however, I would greatly appreciate if you would read up on both NewCron and TruCron fluff. Your comment on the aforementioned charges being the only changes suggests that you did not do so yet.

Sugar, I've been a Necron player since 1998. I've read oldcron fluff you've probably never even heard of. I've read all of it. Everything from the snippets dribbled out in White Dwarf, the original introduction in WD216, both codices, Faith and Fire, Fall of Orpheus. All of it. Back to front.

Get off your high horse. You're wrong, and you're wrong for the sake of sounding trendy and cool. As for reasoned discussion, I already tried that in a thread a few weeks ago and you refused to listen then, instead clinging to your desire to talk about how awful the new stuff is without really even beginning to comprehend it. So no, I won't "go and read up on it". I know far more than you do.

The awakening of the personality-laden Necron overlords was being prepared and laid down since the third edition Eldar codex release.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:


Hey, if you decide to like fluff written for 13 year olds by a 13 year old (stuck in the body of a middle-aged man), that's totally fine with me - your language, however, isn't :( Typical for NewCrons? Maybe.

If you want to take part in a fluff discussion, however, I would greatly appreciate if you would read up on both NewCron and TruCron fluff. Your comment on the aforementioned charges being the only changes suggests that you did not do so yet.

Sugar, I've been a Necron player since 1998. I've read oldcron fluff you've probably never even heard of. I've read all of it. Everything from the snippets dribbled out in White Dwarf, the original introduction in WD216, both codices, Faith and Fire, Fall of Orpheus. All of it. Back to front.

Get off your high horse. You're wrong, and you're wrong for the sake of sounding trendy and cool. As for reasoned discussion, I already tried that in a thread a few weeks ago and you refused to listen then, instead clinging to your desire to talk about how awful the new stuff is without really even beginning to comprehend it. So no, I won't "go and read up on it". I know far more than you do.

The awakening of the personality-laden Necron overlords was being prepared and laid down since the third edition Eldar codex release.

Interesting, "sugar" - instead of admitting your mistake and reading up on the TruCron fluff, which would be the correct thing to do here, you go full ad hominem and try to play the age card. The maturity you put on display here is surely breathtaking, dear gentleman.

And just to point out: reading something is one thing. Understanding what you read is a different part. Comparing two different pieces of written text is another issue. I cannot attest on the former, but you definitely faild on the latter. Feel free to refresh your memory, information on both TruCrons and NewCrons are all over the internet, 40k wiki is a great place to quickly re-read stuff you might have forgotten.

Let me remind you:

 Manchu wrote:
Dakka is big enough for both those who like OldCrons and those who like NewCrons. So please refrain from name-calling over this issue ... or any other, for that matter, given Rule Number One is Be Polite.