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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_Partnership
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) also known as the Transatlantic Free Trade Area (TAFTA) is a proposed free trade agreement between the European Union and the United States. Proponents say the agreement would result in multilateral economic growth,[1] while critics say it would increase corporate power and make it more difficult for governments to regulate markets for public benefit.[2] The U.S. government considers the TTIP a companion agreement to the Trans-Pacific Partnership.[3] After a proposed draft was leaked, in March 2014 the European Commission launched a public consultation on a limited set of clauses.

The TTIP free trade agreement could be finalised by the end of 2014.[4][5]



So if that isn't making your flesh crawl already. Read this.

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2014/09/12/comment-outrage-as-eu-blocks-democratic-challenge-to-us-trad

There is something rotten in the state of Europe when an unelected, unaccountable EU body can glibly inform millions of us that we no longer have the right to question its most dangerous and unpopular policies.

This is exactly what has just happened, as the European Commission has announced that it will not allow a European Citizens' Initiative (ECI) to challenge the secret trade talks it is holding with the US government, supposedly on our behalf.

The ruling is a slap in the face for the 230 civil society organisations from across Europe that have lined up behind the initiative, and the millions of European citizens they represent. The ECI is the only vehicle available to us to challenge the shadowy bureaucrats of the European Commission. Now even this seems to be too much scrutiny for them.

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The negotiations on the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) have become one of the hottest political topics across Europe. TTIP is effectively a new bill of rights for multinational corporations, granting them unprecedented powers and undermining vital labour, environmental and food safety standards in the name of 'free' trade.

TTIP is also a direct threat to our democracy, as the European Commission seeks to allow companies to challenge future policies introduced anywhere in Europe that could jeopardise their bottom line. The ECI, by contrast, was a fully democratic response. And the Commission has blocked it.

There are already huge movements of opposition to TTIP in most European countries. Trade unions and global justice groups have joined forces with environmental, consumer and digital privacy campaigners to confront the common threat that the negotiations pose.

The European Commission is well aware of the strength of this resistance, as it has been forced to suspend negotiations on one of the most controversial aspects of the agreement: the new ‘investor-state dispute settlement’ powers that companies will win through TTIP to sue host states when their profits come under threat.

That mechanism has been questioned by the German and French governments, as it effectively raises transnational capital to the status of the nation state itself. The new powers are already being used elsewhere under other treaties, as in the billion-dollar challenge being brought by Philip Morris against the Australian government for loss of profits as a result of the country's public health requirement that all cigarettes be sold in plain packaging.

Under similar provisions in the Energy Charter Treaty, the Swedish energy company Vattenfall is suing Germany for €3.7 billion (£2.94 billion) over its decision to phase out nuclear power in the wake of the Fukushima disaster. French company Veolia is even suing the Egyptian government for threatening its profits by raising the minimum wage. And there are countless other equally shocking examples stretching back over the past 20 years.

As always, the UK government is a major part of the problem. Leaked documents from internal EU discussions over the parallel EU-Canada trade talks (CETA) reveal that the UK is the only member state providing unconditional support for the European Commission in its desire to introduce these new powers for business, at the expense of democracy and the rule of law.



Yet just this week, the British trade union movement came out in full opposition to the introduction of all investor-state dispute settlement mechanisms in EU trade deals, with a unanimous vote to stop the EU-US talks in their tracks.

Not only is TTIP predicted to cost at least one million jobs between the EU and USA, but it will also make it impossible for any future government to repeal the Health & Social Care Act and bring the NHS back into public hands.

I am one of the seven people who make up the European citizens' committee for the ECI against TTIP and CETA that the Commission has rejected. With fellow representatives from France, Germany, Finland, Romania, Luxembourg and Portugal, we were responsible for raising one million signatures in favour of the initiative within a year.

Given the massive opposition that exists to TTIP across Europe, we were confident of meeting the target well within the required time. The European Commission obviously thought the same, hence its decision to strangle the initiative at birth.

This is by no means the end of the story. We have legal advice to suggest that the European Commission is on thin ice in its attempt to prevent the ECI from going ahead, and we can take our appeal direct to the European Court of Justice in order to get the block lifted.

The fight against TTIP will continue regardless of whether we overcome the Commission's opposition to the ECI. But the Brussels bureaucrats need to be careful as to the long-term consequences of their contempt for democracy.

The European parliament elections this May saw an unprecedented surge in the number of voters rejecting the European project in its entirety. Ukip won more seats than any other UK party, the Front National topped the poll in France and some of our continent's nastiest far-right extremists now enjoy the legitimacy of EU parliamentary representation.

Jean-Claude Juncker, newly appointed as president of the European Commission, has been talking of his desire to see 'fairness and democracy' at the heart of Europe. He would do well to clean out his own stables first.

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Yeah, as funny as that is, it's hardly going to benefit the majority of Americans.

It just feths everybody.

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One wonders on what grounds the formation of the ECI was rejected, and quite why it happened anyway.

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One of the more galling things is the fact that companies can litigate against a Government if a new policy/law hurts it's profits. Incredulous.

   
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Seems from the lack of replies no one cares, or no one understands whats at stake.



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 loki old fart wrote:
Seems from the lack of replies no one cares, or no one understands whats at stake.

I really don't understand.

At first blush, it reads to me something like UN's Agenda 21 Conspiracy.

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Oh boy more free trade agreements :/ another 2-3 binders to read.... mang.


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And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

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It would make more sense just to add the USA as a trading partner with the standard terms for EU members.

   
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 SilverMK2 wrote:
It would make more sense just to add the USA as a trading partner with the standard terms for EU members.


Because we aren't into that shared currency thing?

You could always just apply for union with Da Union of Da States of America...

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The UK doesn't share the currency Frazz and it's a member.

You also seem to be implying that America wouldn't force us all to use the dollar if they became a member.



Seriously though I think more and more people are becoming aware of this. Hope we can get out of it. There's no problem trading with the USA as it stands, I just don't think their corporations should have free reign on our public services.

   
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So remind me again, why did we invent the European Union?

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To deliver us all a consistent, simultaneous, shafting?

   
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 Medium of Death wrote:
To deliver us all a consistent, simultaneous, shafting?


Oh yeah, that was it.
   
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Ya know... on the one hand, having a unilateral trade agreement CAN be a good thing, as instead of having to negotiate tariffs/trade agreements with England, Germany, France, Italy, Greece, etc. etc. the "EU" and the USA can negotiate one agreement.

Of course, the manner in which this is being done just feels very wrong and a bit like someone is trying to force a Gene Roddenberry world on us sooner rather than later (by this I mean TNG era... one "country" on Earth, everyone somehow gets along, no money society, etc)
   
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How did Canada get out of it.......

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How did Canada get out of it.......



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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Of course, the manner in which this is being done just feels very wrong and a bit like someone is trying to force a Gene Roddenberry world on us sooner rather than later (by this I mean TNG era... one "country" on Earth, everyone somehow gets along, no money society, etc)


It's more like, say, Alien or Blade Runner where megacorps run things given how it's going to mess with Government policy.

The more cynical among us might suggest it's more a case of acknowledging what really happens in writing.......

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So remind me again, why did we invent the European Union?


So Germany could have nice export markets using its currency. Duh!

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 loki old fart wrote:
Seems from the lack of replies no one cares, or no one understands whats at stake.


The article answers this question, the UK can throw its toys out of the pram all it wants but France and Germany don't want it so the TTIP is never going forward.
   
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Let's just hope the people of the UK aren't stupid enough to be dragged out of the EU.

TTIP will follow for these isles in that event.

   
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Been meaning to post in this thread for ages- I am personally very concerned with this and totally unhappy with the various EU bodies involved. This is exactly the sort of crap that justifies Euroscepticism.

My main worry is that we'll have to lower our regulatory standards to the level of the US, resulting in poorer quality food and so on, because the US is much more tolerant of that sort of thing than the EU. The US also tolerates much more inhumane conditions on farms and so on.

This is quite obviously an example of the EU's machinery being "captured" by specific powerful interests, and we should let our representatives know that we will friggin' stomp them in the next election if this goes through. Clever of them to push for it after the Euro elections though.

   
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Been meaning to post in this thread for ages- I am personally very concerned with this and totally unhappy with the various EU bodies involved. This is exactly the sort of crap that justifies Euroscepticism.

My main worry is that we'll have to lower our regulatory standards to the level of the US, resulting in poorer quality food and so on, because the US is much more tolerant of that sort of thing than the EU. The US also tolerates much more inhumane conditions on farms and so on.

This is quite obviously an example of the EU's machinery being "captured" by specific powerful interests, and we should let our representatives know that we will friggin' stomp them in the next election if this goes through. Clever of them to push for it after the Euro elections though.

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 Da Boss wrote:
Been meaning to post in this thread for ages- I am personally very concerned with this and totally unhappy with the various EU bodies involved. This is exactly the sort of crap that justifies Euroscepticism.

My main worry is that we'll have to lower our regulatory standards to the level of the US, resulting in poorer quality food and so on, because the US is much more tolerant of that sort of thing than the EU. The US also tolerates much more inhumane conditions on farms and so on.

This is quite obviously an example of the EU's machinery being "captured" by specific powerful interests, and we should let our representatives know that we will friggin' stomp them in the next election if this goes through. Clever of them to push for it after the Euro elections though.


this is one of many reasons why I despise the EU and want Britain to leave it.
   
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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:
Been meaning to post in this thread for ages- I am personally very concerned with this and totally unhappy with the various EU bodies involved. This is exactly the sort of crap that justifies Euroscepticism.

My main worry is that we'll have to lower our regulatory standards to the level of the US, resulting in poorer quality food and so on, because the US is much more tolerant of that sort of thing than the EU. The US also tolerates much more inhumane conditions on farms and so on.

This is quite obviously an example of the EU's machinery being "captured" by specific powerful interests, and we should let our representatives know that we will friggin' stomp them in the next election if this goes through. Clever of them to push for it after the Euro elections though.


this is one of many reasons why I despise the EU and want Britain to leave it.


Don't worry, most of us wan't the UK to leave Europe as well, you guys are nothing but a blocking force in favour of US interests instead of European ones.

Also, in case you haven't read the article, the major proponent for the TTIP is the UK government.
   
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Yeah, the US and Australia are pushing for this sort of stuff too. The EU isn't unique in shafting people for profit.

   
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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:
Been meaning to post in this thread for ages- I am personally very concerned with this and totally unhappy with the various EU bodies involved. This is exactly the sort of crap that justifies Euroscepticism.

My main worry is that we'll have to lower our regulatory standards to the level of the US, resulting in poorer quality food and so on, because the US is much more tolerant of that sort of thing than the EU. The US also tolerates much more inhumane conditions on farms and so on.

This is quite obviously an example of the EU's machinery being "captured" by specific powerful interests, and we should let our representatives know that we will friggin' stomp them in the next election if this goes through. Clever of them to push for it after the Euro elections though.


this is one of many reasons why I despise the EU and want Britain to leave it.



Don't worry, most of us wan't the UK to leave Europe as well, you guys are nothing but a blocking force in favour of US interests instead of European ones.

Also, in case you haven't read the article, the major proponent for the TTIP is the UK government.


What makes you think that I agree with and support what my government is doing? "You guys"? More like "Your government. I don't like the US anymore than I like the EU. And the thing is, I actually like Europe. I just hate having a one size fits all bureaucracy imposing the laws onto countries that are vastly different in terms of culture and legal traditions.

Countries like Greece and Germany should never have been in a political union frankly.

And if you think the EU represents "European interests" you're deluded. The EU represents nothing but the interests of a corrupt bureaucratic elite.
   
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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

What makes you think that I agree with and support what my government is doing? "You guys"? More like "Your government. I don't like the US anymore than I like the EU. And the thing is, I actually like Europe. I just hate having a one size fits all bureaucracy imposing the laws onto countries that are vastly different in terms of culture and legal traditions.

Countries like Greece and Germany should never have been in a political union frankly.

And if you think the EU represents "European interests" you're deluded. The EU represents nothing but the interests of a corrupt bureaucratic elite.


The "cultural and legal traditions" of the southern European countries are a joke and just serve to foster widespread corruption through all the rungs of society. I would be ecstatic if all the laws in my country were made and enforced by Germany.

Also the EU allowed my country to rise from a mostly agricultural economy and 3rd world like levels of development into a (mostly) modern nation and society in a short time frame of about 20 years (and it did the same for Greece and Spain and Italy). That "corrupt bureaucratic elite" has been the single most effective entity in fostering prosperity and peace in Europe since the fall of the Roman empire!

Is it perfect? Not by a longshot. Is there waste and corruption in it as well? Absolutely! But its still the best thing that happened in the European continent in 2000 years.

So be sure to thick that 'Yes' box when the referendum comes for the UK to leave the EU, so that the rest of the countries that actually wan't to be in this union be able to finally move towards a true political Federation.

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