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if we are to assume that thunder warrios 1 on 1 were more powerful then astartes and custodes

ho would they do against a primarch

badly

A Primarch is much more powerful. It would be a very one sided fight.

Primarchs can survive hits from titan weaponry. So... The thunder warrior is dead.

The Primarch would oneshot the Thunder Warrior with ease.

so whats the heirachy then in terms of power

1. emperor

2. primarchs

3. thunder warriors

4. custodes

5. astartes

6. everyone else

LightKing wrote:
so whats the heirachy then in terms of power

1. emperor

2. primarchs

3. thunder warriors

4. custodes

5. astartes

6. everyone else

1. Emperor
2. Primarchs/Custodes, depending on individuals and circumstances
3. Astartes/Custodes, depending on individuals and circumstances
4. Thunder Warriors
5. Everyone else

 Psienesis wrote:

LightKing wrote:
so whats the heirachy then in terms of power

1. emperor

2. primarchs

3. thunder warriors

4. custodes

5. astartes

6. everyone else

1. Emperor
2. Primarchs/Custodes, depending on individuals and circumstances
3. Astartes/Custodes, depending on individuals and circumstances
4. Thunder Warriors
5. Everyone else

Ehh, not too sure.

In a one vs one, it'd be more like

1. Emperor (probably?)
2. Primarch
3. Thunder Warrior/Custode
4. Custode/Thunder Warrior
5. Astartes.

Thunder Warriors are better in close combat than an Astartes, but lack the military training and matching wargear. This would also depend on what era of soldier we're talking about. While tech in 40k is generally back-sliding, Power Armor is not such a tech. Newer marks are superior to older Marks.

 Psienesis wrote:
Thunder Warriors are better in close combat than an Astartes, but lack the military training and matching wargear. This would also depend on what era of soldier we're talking about. While tech in 40k is generally back-sliding, Power Armor is not such a tech. Newer marks are superior to older Marks.

I think it's fair to assume it's 30K, considering we're talking about the Emperor, Primarchs, Custodes, and Thunder Warriors fighting

Assuming a fight where they can use all of what could be considered their 'normal' equipment and tactics, not just a stupid fistfight RAR BRAWL:

1. Emperor
2. Primarchs
3. Custodes
4. Astartes
5. Thunder Warriors

1. Emperor
2. Primarchs
3. Custodes
Grey Knights
4. Astartes
5. Thunder Warriors

According to the new GK book, GKs are far and above normal Astartes. YMMV yadda yadda.

LightKing wrote:
if we are to assume that thunder warrios 1 on 1 were more powerful then astartes and custodes

Let's not.

ho would they do against a primarch

Badly.

1.Emperor
2.Primarch
3.Custodes
4.Thunder Warriors
5.Astartes

Well i bet a Thuderwarrior would beat angron at chess

Then probably get his butt kicked with the chess set and the table they where playing on.

It would be... amusing... to watch Angron throttle a Thunder Warrior with a chessboard.

Not sure why people are ranking Thunder Warriors above Astartes. Looking it over, all I can find is that Thunder Warriors are "stronger and more savage in combat" than Astartes. With no mention of discipline, equipment or training quality, all of which Thunder Warriors came up short in.

 Ratius wrote:
1. Emperor
2. Primarchs
3. Custodes
Grey Knights
4. Astartes
5. Thunder Warriors

According to the new GK book, GKs are far and above normal Astartes. YMMV yadda yadda.

Aye, this seems like a good ranking.

 Crimson wrote:

LightKing wrote:
if we are to assume that thunder warrios 1 on 1 were more powerful then astartes and custodes

Let's not.

ho would they do against a primarch

Badly.

Thunder Warriors were stronger and fast than space marines. It is mentioned many times that they were superior warriors. They were in no way a long term force since they were savage tecno barbarians. They were also very labor intensive, similar to the Custodeus.

If they all had their clothes off and got into a throwdown:

Emperor
Primarchs
Adeptus Custodus (created in the same way as thunderwarriors but better training)
Thunder Warriors
Astartes

With all available equipment of their time period:

Emperor
Primarchs
Adeptus Custodus
Astartes
Thunder Warriors

Why would they ever have a naked, gearless brawl, though? Isn't that simply stacking the deck to make a favored side have an advantage?

Has there -ever- been an instance where it was a gearless fistfight?

 curran12 wrote:
Why would they ever have a naked, gearless brawl, though? Isn't that simply stacking the deck to make a favored side have an advantage?

Has there -ever- been an instance where it was a gearless fistfight?

"I am told of a place where warriors do battle in a ring of Gello"

 Mr Morden wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
Why would they ever have a naked, gearless brawl, though? Isn't that simply stacking the deck to make a favored side have an advantage?

Has there -ever- been an instance where it was a gearless fistfight?

"I am told of a place where warriors do battle in a ring of Gello"

Sounds like a slannesh day dream

i just remember reading somewhere that a thunder warrior is more powerful then an astartes 1 on 1...but just wasnt as smart, calculating and effective as a unit of war

 curran12 wrote:
Why would they ever have a naked, gearless brawl, though? Isn't that simply stacking the deck to make a favored side have an advantage?

Has there -ever- been an instance where it was a gearless fistfight?

Have they not done gladiatorial style combats?

Either way, it is one way to look at it. Flip it around and say you equip all of them equally, it means the same thing.

Except that it is only equal in terms of the fight, not necessarily what their soldiers are.

After all, do you measure a modern soldier by their skill to combat chariots with spears? No. You measure them based on their skill and their equipment. Why do different for Thunder Warriors vs Astartes?

 Desubot wrote:
Well i bet a Thuderwarrior would beat angron at chess

Then probably get his butt kicked with the chess set and the table they where playing on.

I would just like to second this

thunder warrior would be shockingly good against a primarch but one did head lock a daemon made of fire....

That is because TW are naturally highly-resistant to psychic attacks, probably due to the high number of sorcerers on Terra during the Unification Wars.

So they're specifically resistant to daemons... but a Primarch would probably snap one like a twig, especially one like Angron or Vulkan.

I can't remember the exact name of the book, but in one of the Horus Heresy novels I seem to remember one of the last living Thunder Warriors casually killing Astartes is people are looking for some actual evidence rather than just theory.

But yeah Primarchs would crush Thunder Warriors, and Thunder Warriors would beat Astartes 1 v 1 but would likely lose a large scale engagement due to the superior discipline and structure (and numbers for that matter).

It's a group of renegade TW that are in a defensible position that kill 4 or 5 times their number in Astartes before being completely wiped out.

Given standard military tactics, that's not bad, but not zomg-great, either. Defending a position is always much easier than assaulting one.

Powerguy wrote:
I can't remember the exact name of the book, but in one of the Horus Heresy novels I seem to remember one of the last living Thunder Warriors casually killing Astartes is people are looking for some actual evidence rather than just theory.

But yeah Primarchs would crush Thunder Warriors, and Thunder Warriors would beat Astartes 1 v 1 but would likely lose a large scale engagement due to the superior discipline and structure (and numbers for that matter).

The book is The Outcast Dead.