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Looks like we get some awesome combos.
Haemonculi gets fearless turn 1 from the covens power from pain chart. He also gets a 10 point item that gives you your choice of special rules, most of which is awesome, but one deserves special mention.
The Haemonculi and his unit gain poison 4+.
I'm thinking of sticking this guy in with Incubi.
According to how the poison rules work, it'd give you a unit of incubi that wound on 4+ at S4 AP2. That just makes wraith knights and Riptides go away.
Don't need 4+ poison? How about giving the whole unit rampage?
If you attach an archron with armor of misery, opponents will be taking a fear test at -3 (-1 from the haemonculi, -2 from the armor, fear from the armor).
Of course, you do have to pay the elite tax: 2 units of wracks/grotesques. And if you pick 2x grotesques, they get a roll on a combat drug-like table.

On the other side, we've got the normal DE showing up with the animus vitae, pushing up the power from pain by 1.
This means that those grotesques that you "have" to take, can deep strike in (via webway portal), with Fear, Fearless, and it will not die on turn 2, picking up Zealot turn 3, and Eternal Warrior turn 4.

If that wasn't good enough, here's the Grotesquerie chart:
1 +1 strength
2 +1 toughness
3 Fleet
4 Shred
5 Rage
6 Feel no pain 4+
Pretty much all of those are awesome.


I think the Haemonculus Covens rounds out Dark Eldar enough to stand alone with only faction dark eldar units.

Haemonuculus looks good with Incubi. Question though, does Fleet work for the entire unit if one model has it? I'm not sure how I feel if it doesn't work, as the Haemonuculus would slow down the Incubi.

But yes, I enjoy the Coven formations and detachment, makes Wracks (personal favourite) much better, currently trying to make a Coven list alongside Realspace Raiders

Speaking of coven can you purchase another creature when using the formation that uses a haemonculus, cronos, and a talos or are you stuck with just two

 CKO wrote:
Speaking of coven can you purchase another creature when using the formation that uses a haemonculus, cronos, and a talos or are you stuck with just two

1 Haemonculus, 1 Talos, 1 Chronos. No other units can be taken, joined to it, and nobody can break off.
But, you could give the Haemonculi the nightmare doll, which would give him a 3+ feel no pain while the other two get the 4+ and re-roll 1's for feel no pain.
Of course, the 1st marine sarg with a power fist is going to clock you.

Are you sure the haemonculus gives the entire squad poison?

Hey Matt, just a quick clarification. Syndriq's Sump only grants the bearer those special rules, not the bearer and his unit.
None of those special rules to my knowledge spread to the unit and only affect the model.

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:
Hey Matt, just a quick clarification. Syndriq's Sump only grants the bearer those special rules, not the bearer and his unit.
None of those special rules to my knowledge spread to the unit and only affect the model.

Shoot, just checked the wording again. Ok, back to square one. And ignore my last 4 posts...


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The other plan of Armor of Misery on a webway leading in the Grots blob, with group of 3 in a raider though still works.
Tank shock at Ld-3. And then do it again, and again, and again.




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How about Archon and succubus leading Grot bomb, armor of misery on the succubus and Archangel on the Archon, web way on Archon.
Pin point strike then...
Units within 12" are -1 LD.
Units within 6" are -3 Ld.
Archangel forced LD test at -2 for all units within 9".

9" to 6" out are testing at -3, taking the difference in wounds.
6" to 1" out are testing at -5 Ld, taking the difference in wounds.

-Matt

Ok....So question. Lets say we throw a farseer in the group....and get psychic shriek... does that stack? or can a farseer get psychic shriek? I dont remember which powers eldar can get


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point being made...Would the -3-4 Ld affect the results?

DaKKaLAnce wrote:
Ok....So question. Lets say we throw a farseer in the group....and get psychic shriek... does that stack? or can a farseer get psychic shriek? I dont remember which powers eldar can get
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point being made...Would the -3-4 Ld affect the results?

The -3 is a blanket -3. You where a 9, now you're a 6. Move out of range and get the LD back. The archangel of pain is a one use, and the -2 from that only applies to that specific test.

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

DaKKaLAnce wrote:
Ok....So question. Lets say we throw a farseer in the group....and get psychic shriek... does that stack? or can a farseer get psychic shriek? I dont remember which powers eldar can get
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point being made...Would the -3-4 Ld affect the results?

The -3 is a blanket -3. You where a 9, now you're a 6. Move out of range and get the LD back. The archangel of pain is a one use, and the -2 from that only applies to that specific test.

So the psychic shriek doesnt use the modified LD for the test?

How bad will those grots be hurt after they take a round of fire?

Depends what fires at them!

But they're pretty tough. T5, 3 wounds each, feel no pain. It'll take a hell of a chunk of small arms fire to drop them.

I'd be hesitant to fire a squad with more than 2 characters pinned to it into the middle of the enemy army.

I'd suggest a (codex detachment) haemonculus/archon pairing - the haemonculus may cost more than a succubus but he's providing that all important Power From Pain boost.

I'd suggest taking a Coven Grotesquerie - you get two buffed grotesque squads and one haemonculus. Add a realspace raiders detachment - take a haemonculus and archon as your HQs.

Kabalite Haemonculus takes the Armour of Misery, Archon takes the Archangel of Pain (because he can buy ghostplate or a shadow field to protect himself), and you hope for a toughness-boosting surgery roll for the grotesques.

Against the right opponent, it could be devastating. Unfortunately, 'the right opponent' doesnt include anything with Fearless or And They Shall Know No Fear. So that's:

All Space Marine armies
Wraith armies
Coven Armies
Cult Chaos Marine armies
Mechanised Astra Militarum armies
Ministorum-Priest-led Astra Militarum armies
Tyranid Armies

....I'd be hesitant to sink upwards of a quarter of my army in a one-use trick that doesn't work on that many opponents...

Even against LD horrible armies, it just isn't that good.
Lets say you're opponent doesn't know what your up to, and you some how manage to deep strike the combo into the middle of 3 units, catching a unit of crisis suits and 2 riptides.

Ld drops to 9 to 4 on the riptides, you do ~3 wounds average to each, and they invul save away 1 of those; taking 2 wounds.
Crisis team drops from Ld8 to Ld3, and you do ~4 wounds killing 2 suits.
It's just not enough damage.

Now; if you bring along some eldar buddies, you drop Ld by 3, and they psychic scream, you're looking at 2.66 unsaved wounds on the riptides and ~5 wounds to a crisis team. This works out much better, because:
1) It doesn't require a 2nd relic.
2) Psychic screams and keep targeting 1 unit until it's dead, instead of just spreading a few woods around on some units.
3) It isn't 1 shot only.
4) It works against fearless and ATSKNF targets.

LD-5 looks good on paper, but toss a few dice and you see it isn't that great.

 HawaiiMatt wrote:
Even against LD horrible armies, it just isn't that good.
Lets say you're opponent doesn't know what your up to, and you some how manage to deep strike the combo into the middle of 3 units, catching a unit of crisis suits and 2 riptides.

Ld drops to 9 to 4 on the riptides, you do ~3 wounds average to each, and they invul save away 1 of those; taking 2 wounds.
Crisis team drops from Ld8 to Ld3, and you do ~4 wounds killing 2 suits.
It's just not enough damage.

Now; if you bring along some eldar buddies, you drop Ld by 3, and they psychic scream, you're looking at 2.66 unsaved wounds on the riptides and ~5 wounds to a crisis team. This works out much better, because:
1) It doesn't require a 2nd relic.
2) Psychic screams and keep targeting 1 unit until it's dead, instead of just spreading a few woods around on some units.
3) It isn't 1 shot only.
4) It works against fearless and ATSKNF targets.

LD-5 looks good on paper, but toss a few dice and you see it isn't that great.

no, it isnt that good. Like most of GW's ld related gimmicks it is either not very good or OP. It is either pinning or MSS.

The thing is you're actually not wanting Psychic Shriek you want something else from Eldar for Telepathy. Terrify.

Who care's if you have Psychic Shriek. Land next to a unit with a -2 LD, then cast Terrify on them. Terrify is a additional -1 LD, the unit has to test twice, with Terrify -3. You don't have to Psychic Shriek a Riptide. It doesn't have fearless and it's taking a LD check at -3. More if you are using a Coven detachment with -1. It's possible to get up to like - 9 if your incredibly lucky but really all you want is to take the -1 for Terrify the -2 .

Or the worst Horrify -3 LD.

Either of these is really good.

If you get Horrify, you should probably just take Telepathy , but if you do have Warlocks rolling that up is pretty boss.

Although I am unsure about Warlocks etc..