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I read on many articles that before the Emperor came onto the bridge of the Vengeful Spirit Sanguinius was battling Horus after Sanguinius refused to join chaos. It seems also that Sanguinius was beat then tortured. When the Emperor came, then Horus broke Sanguinius' neck. Is this what happened?

I always thought it was like this:

- Horus waits on the bridge for the Emperor
- Sanguinius reaches bridge ahead of Emperor and Dorn
- They both try to convince the other to switch sides, in vain
- They fight briefly before Horus slays Sanguinius
- The Emperor reaches the bridge a moment later, Horus stands over the dead-but-still-warm body of Sanguinius
- The Emperor and Horus battle it out, former destroying the latter in mind and body whilst being mortally wounded
- Finally Dorn reaches the bridge and recovers the Emperor's body, whilst some Blood Angels recover Sanguinius'

Never heard about Sanguinius being beaten and tortured before. Where's that from?

In all the versions I have heard Sanguinius is always already dead when The Emperor comes in.

Never heard about the torture too.

Other than being crushed by uber Horus's lightning claw there wasn't any physical torture involved. When you piece it together from multiple sources my understanding of the the full version of the story is basically:
- Sanguinius reaches the bridge
- They try and get each other to switch sides/stop the fighting etc etc
- They fight. Sanguinius is in 'pissed off break Bloodthirsters in half mode' and is a match for Horus physically
- Horus makes use of his Chaos powers to psychically assault Sanguinius - which enables him to catch him and crush his body as well. This psychic attack is what triggers the Black Rage which you could view as psychic torture (but in simple terms if the psychic fallout of Sanguinius' death that effects his sons).
- Horus and the Emperor fight, depending on which version of the event you are looking at the death of various random (or not so random) Guardsmen/Marines are involved here but either way the end result is the same - the Emperor is mortally wounded by Horus and in return mind crushes him from existence.

Assuming we ever actually get to the close of the HH series all this could change and Sanguinius may just have flown headfirst into a closed Window on the Vengeful Spirit

Though I expect things will unfold mostly as they've been mentioned above. Unless they authors get "clever" and refuse to show us the details of the titanic fight at the end of the Heresy, leaving it shrouded in mystery and legend forever.

Powerguy wrote:
- They try and get each other to switch sides/stop the fighting etc etc
- They fight. Sanguinius is in 'pissed off break Bloodthirsters in half mode' and is a match for Horus physically
- Horus makes use of his Chaos powers to psychically assault Sanguinius - which enables him to catch him and crush his body as well. This psychic attack is what triggers the Black Rage which you could view as psychic torture (but in simple terms if the psychic fallout of Sanguinius' death that effects his sons).

Got a reference for this?
The versions I've read never actually describe the fight between Sanguinius and Horus. Only Bill King's version has Horus commenting to the Emperor that he tried to persuade Sanguinius to join him, and that he refused. There's nothing to indicate that Sanguinius was in 'berserker mode' or a physical match (or anything to deny it, to be fair) - just that Sanguinius' broken body lay at Horus' feet.

Hasn't there been reference to Sanguinius being phisically and mentally exhausted after battling for days on end and having recently had a titanic battle with Ka'bandha? And that he knew of his death on the bridge in advance but knew he had to be there to cause the chink in Horus' armour?

tgjensen wrote:

Powerguy wrote:
- They try and get each other to switch sides/stop the fighting etc etc
- They fight. Sanguinius is in 'pissed off break Bloodthirsters in half mode' and is a match for Horus physically
- Horus makes use of his Chaos powers to psychically assault Sanguinius - which enables him to catch him and crush his body as well. This psychic attack is what triggers the Black Rage which you could view as psychic torture (but in simple terms if the psychic fallout of Sanguinius' death that effects his sons).

Got a reference for this?
The versions I've read never actually describe the fight between Sanguinius and Horus. Only Bill King's version has Horus commenting to the Emperor that he tried to persuade Sanguinius to join him, and that he refused. There's nothing to indicate that Sanguinius was in 'berserker mode' or a physical match (or anything to deny it, to be fair) - just that Sanguinius' broken body lay at Horus' feet.

Sanguinius has been deemed one of the more powerful primarchs and even Horus has said he would be scared to fight him (pre-chaos and before he got addicted to warp dust.) It could be reasonably assumed Sanguinius was a match for a few seconds, especially factoring in the precognition abilities he has.

Hmmm... I found this from some website. Horus's torture of Sanguinius was in trying to turn him to Chaos, by using mind bullets and what-not.

Yes, I think its fair to say there probably was some psychological torture involved as Horus tries to turn him but nothing physical from what I've ever read.

Hasn't there been reference to Sanguinius being phisically and mentally exhausted after battling for days on end and having recently had a titanic battle with Ka'bandha? And that he knew of his death on the bridge in advance but knew he had to be there to cause the chink in Horus' armour?

Thats my recollection too. The chink allowed the Emperor to find a tiny weakness when fighting Horus.
However I've also read a theory that the chink was caused by

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ollanius_Pius

Horus enraged, utterly obliterated him in the cruelest fashion possible and at that moment the Emperor knew there was no redemption, no way back. So they fought.

Ok, this is where people need to be able to differentiate between what in-universe characters believe versus what might have actually happened.

The Blood Angels believe Sanguinius caused the weakness that allowed the Emperor to win against Horus. That is their belief. Nobody actually witnessed the fight and lived to tell the tale. The Blood Angels cite their visions which may suffice in the faith paradigm of the Imperium, but for readers, that is not proof because we know visions can be false, such as when Tycho had visions of himself as Sanguinius and actually killing Horus and winning (when in reality Tycho was killing an Ork). The Blood Angels may be desperate to believe their Primarch accomplished something before dying and try to give him credit for the ultimate defeat of Horus, whether or not that actually happened. However to me, having Sangunius actually accomplish anything against Horus actually detracts from his nobility and sacrifice.

Sanguinius's sacrifice was heroic because he was helpless in the face of Horus yet still chose to fight rather than turn to Chaos. That is an act of moral courage to still hold to ideals in the face of true hopelessness. Sanguinius had already shown martial courage through previous acts of valor so one more hardly means anything, whereas standing resolute in the face of true hopelessness is nobility of spirit (demonstrated through action rather than just stated by a narrator). It was Sanguinius's nobility in defeat that (among other things) bolsters the Emperor's resolve to defeat Horus. If Sangunius actually had any a glimmer of hope of accomplishing anything, it makes his sacrifice less noble because he thinks he can win. His failure then becomes more a failure of ability and misjudgement. However if Sanguinius knows he cannot win, and still does the morally right thing, then that is a greater statement about his strength of character than any feat of arms.

Sanguinius already has his moment of martial glory at the Ultimate Gate with the Bloodthirster. The confrontation with Horus is a moral test. Faced with complete and true hopelessness, how many people would have the courage to still say no? In a world filled with superheroic Primarchs doing heroic martial acts before breakfast and never seeming to face much threat of real failure, such a psychological test is more meaningful than yet another fight against an "evil villain/monster". Characters acquire depth through showing of their characters and their flaws and their strengths. For Primarchs, physical and martial strength is common. Moral strength is less so.

It is not truly hopeless if in doing so he accomplishes something. Sanguinius actually doing something to Horus takes the focus off his sacrifice and degrades him to being a 2D superhero angel against mr. super villain that OMG somehow manages to beat the odds and inflict the telling blow.

What Sanguinius accomplishes is the emotional effect his death has on the Emperor, and that spiritual and emotional level is what is more significant. Having a physical accomplishment of a chink in the armor takes the focus off of this more symbolic battle for the soul of humanity, and the refusal to submit in the face of overwhelming power.

Why is it that hard to believe that he might have died without hurting Horus significantly? That is probably more like what the in character Blood Angels want to believe, because they cannot conceive that their Primarch could actually fail so they end up justifying or making up an accomplishment to make it so his death was responsible for the Emperor's victory.

Sanguinius's death was responsible in some part for that but more because what his death made the Emperor realize about Horus, and not the literal aspect of a physical opening in Horus's armor. For a martial warrior brotherhood raised to revere their Primarch, that more transcendant sacrifice may be perhaps lost on them, leaving them with their own need to rationalize and give meaning to his death through the invention of the opening up of a chink in Horus's armor.

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
Sanguinius has been deemed one of the more powerful primarchs and even Horus has said he would be scared to fight him (pre-chaos and before he got addicted to warp dust.) It could be reasonably assumed Sanguinius was a match for a few seconds, especially factoring in the precognition abilities he has.

Right, but my point is that it's still conjecture. If we are trying to clarify what we actually know about the fight between Horus and Sanguinius, then people shouldn't be injecting their opinions and conjecture into it and muddy the waters.

What iracundus said is pretty spot on. I think the "chink" is sangunius' own death at Horus's hand. Giving the emperor the ability to kill his favourite son.

Iracundus wrote:
Ok, this is where people need to be able to differentiate between what in-universe characters believe versus what might have actually happened.

The Blood Angels believe Sanguinius caused the weakness that allowed the Emperor to win against Horus. That is their belief. Nobody actually witnessed the fight and lived to tell the tale. The Blood Angels cite their visions which may suffice in the faith paradigm of the Imperium, but for readers, that is not proof because we know visions can be false, such as when Tycho had visions of himself as Sanguinius and actually killing Horus and winning (when in reality Tycho was killing an Ork). The Blood Angels may be desperate to believe their Primarch accomplished something before dying and try to give him credit for the ultimate defeat of Horus, whether or not that actually happened. However to me, having Sangunius actually accomplish anything against Horus actually detracts from his nobility and sacrifice.

Sanguinius's sacrifice was heroic because he was helpless in the face of Horus yet still chose to fight rather than turn to Chaos. That is an act of moral courage to still hold to ideals in the face of true hopelessness. Sanguinius had already shown martial courage through previous acts of valor so one more hardly means anything, whereas standing resolute in the face of true hopelessness is nobility of spirit (demonstrated through action rather than just stated by a narrator). It was Sanguinius's nobility in defeat that (among other things) bolsters the Emperor's resolve to defeat Horus. If Sangunius actually had any a glimmer of hope of accomplishing anything, it makes his sacrifice less noble because he thinks he can win. His failure then becomes more a failure of ability and misjudgement. However if Sanguinius knows he cannot win, and still does the morally right thing, then that is a greater statement about his strength of character than any feat of arms.

Sanguinius already has his moment of martial glory at the Ultimate Gate with the Bloodthirster. The confrontation with Horus is a moral test. Faced with complete and true hopelessness, how many people would have the courage to still say no? In a world filled with superheroic Primarchs doing heroic martial acts before breakfast and never seeming to face much threat of real failure, such a psychological test is more meaningful than yet another fight against an "evil villain/monster". Characters acquire depth through showing of their characters and their flaws and their strengths. For Primarchs, physical and martial strength is common. Moral strength is less so.

It is not truly hopeless if in doing so he accomplishes something. Sanguinius actually doing something to Horus takes the focus off his sacrifice and degrades him to being a 2D superhero angel against mr. super villain that OMG somehow manages to beat the odds and inflict the telling blow.

What Sanguinius accomplishes is the emotional effect his death has on the Emperor, and that spiritual and emotional level is what is more significant. Having a physical accomplishment of a chink in the armor takes the focus off of this more symbolic battle for the soul of humanity, and the refusal to submit in the face of overwhelming power.

Why is it that hard to believe that he might have died without hurting Horus significantly? That is probably more like what the in character Blood Angels want to believe, because they cannot conceive that their Primarch could actually fail so they end up justifying or making up an accomplishment to make it so his death was responsible for the Emperor's victory.

Sanguinius's death was responsible in some part for that but more because what his death made the Emperor realize about Horus, and not the literal aspect of a physical opening in Horus's armor. For a martial warrior brotherhood raised to revere their Primarch, that more transcendant sacrifice may be perhaps lost on them, leaving them with their own need to rationalize and give meaning to his death through the invention of the opening up of a chink in Horus's armor.

That is absolutely brilliant!

Do you guys dismiss the Ollanius angle then?
I dont have a strong view either way but do lean towards Ollanius because of the HH series.
I have this feeling if they do write the final battle it'll be him that causes the chink both physical and metaphorical.

Some relevant quotes from Visions of Heresy (2013 edition):

Pages 386-387:

Face glowing with internal bloodlight, Horus turned to the Emperor and spoke. ‘Poor Sanguinius. I offered him a position of power in the new order. He could have sat at the right hand of a god. Alas, he chose to align himself with the losing side. He gave me little alternative but to kill him. With my bare hands I throttled the life from him.’

Nothing about the fight itself, or torture, or Sanguinius inflicting an injury, is mentioned in this source.

And excerpted from pages 387-388, describing the fight between the Emperor and Horus:

Somehow, he could not make himself bring his full force to bear on Horus; the Warmaster might be a traitor, but deep within him was still the favoured son, the finest of the primarchs, the beloved scion.

Horus showed no such restraint.

(fighting)

Suddenly, the battering stopped. Through his good eye, the Emperor saw that a solitary Imperial soldier had entered the room. Without hesitation, the loyal warrior charged towards the Warmaster, his blade in hand. Horus looked at him and laughed. For a moment he stood triumphant, allowing the bodyguard to see what he had done to his Emperor.
The Emperor instantly realised what was going to happen next, saw the gloating triumph on Horus’ face, knew that his loyal servant was about to die. There was no trace of his beloved son left in Horus.

(soldier is killed)

The Emperor was stung by the death. He had known this warrior for centuries. This was not a fitting reward for such duty and loyalty. That Horus should so callously and casually kill him, without ceremony, without mercy, jolted the Emperor. It finally showed him that the Horus he had known and loved had gone, irrevocably destroyed by the madness of Chaos and the power that he had embraced.

(a few lines later)

Now he knew that there was only one way he could end this. The grip of the Chaos gods was too strong, their claws sunk too deeply into Horus’s soul. The Emperor must kill his favoured son to break their hold on him. He must strike one deadly blow. He knew he would get no other chance.

The ‘imperial soldier’ has canonically been Ollanius Pius, interesting the note about having known him for ‘centuries’. This text (which I suppose is the current canon, although of course it could be contradicted by future sources) suggests that it is the death of this soldier, not Sanguinius, which sets the Emperor to commit to destroying Horus. There’s no mention in this source (I think I recall it mentioned somewhere else though) of the fight with Sanguinius, or Sanguinius landing the blow which puts a hole in Horus’s armour that the Emperor strikes though. In the Visions of Heresy retelling, later on that page (388), the Emperor has lost an arm by this point and disables Horus with a ‘psychic bolt’ of ‘pure force’ rather than a physical weapon, before ‘destroying the Warmaster’ in an unspecified manner.

Hope some people find this useful.

The Ollanius fluff is so.awful. it's a bit better now that they made him a fellow perpetual but before the whole "oh he killed Sanguinus let's hug it out" but drawing the line because he killed one random terminator/guardsmen is idiotic. Unless the emperor has a stronger relationship with the guardsmen than his second favorite primarch, it's a completely unbelievable angle. I feel like they painted themselves into a corner now because they can't drop this third wheel guardsmen character, but as a result the death of Sanguinus is totally pointless.

 Silverthorne wrote:
The Ollanius fluff is so.awful. it's a bit better now that they made him a fellow perpetual but before the whole "oh he killed Sanguinus let's hug it out" but drawing the line because he killed one random terminator/guardsmen is idiotic. Unless the emperor has a stronger relationship with the guardsmen than his second favorite primarch, it's a completely unbelievable angle. I feel like they painted themselves into a corner now because they can't drop this third wheel guardsmen character, but as a result the death of Sanguinus is totally pointless.

Unless as a perpetual, Ollanius had been one of the Emperors companions since ancient times?

Also the chink that Sanguinius causes (if he does) could be a chink in Horus's psychic defense which allows the Emperors psychic attack through? Or Sanguinius could have prevented Horus completing a ritual which would have had the power to annihilate the emperor when he arrived. Or the blood of the emperor that chaos is trying to acquire in nemesis could be used to create a weapon which could kill the emperor, but it only has one use, Sanguinius knows this and forces Horus to use it upon him. They could come up with all sorts to get out of it I feel,

Poly Ranger wrote:

 Silverthorne wrote:
The Ollanius fluff is so.awful. it's a bit better now that they made him a fellow perpetual but before the whole "oh he killed Sanguinus let's hug it out" but drawing the line because he killed one random terminator/guardsmen is idiotic. Unless the emperor has a stronger relationship with the guardsmen than his second favorite primarch, it's a completely unbelievable angle. I feel like they painted themselves into a corner now because they can't drop this third wheel guardsmen character, but as a result the death of Sanguinus is totally pointless.

Unless as a perpetual, Ollanius had been one of the Emperors companions since ancient times?

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that's my thought. far from perpetuals being something made up for unknown silly reasons, it may be that in the end it'll add real weight to Ollanius' death.

suddenly Horus goes in the Emperor's eyes from being his favored son, to "the guy who just destroyed, completly and utterly, one of my oldest companions. yes we'd had our differances over the last centuries... but.... damnit, he was incrediably loyal... " I really think the perpetual angle is gonna be made or broken by the nature of Ollanius' relationship with the emperor

My thoughts (damn english revision, I'm thinking in metaphors and symbolism) is that Ollanius Pius isn't viewed by the Emperor in this part

Somehow, he could not make himself bring his full force to bear on Horus; the Warmaster might be a traitor, but deep within him was still the favoured son, the finest of the primarchs, the beloved scion.

Horus showed no such restraint.

(fighting)

Suddenly, the battering stopped. Through his good eye, the Emperor saw that a solitary Imperial soldier had entered the room. Without hesitation, the loyal warrior charged towards the Warmaster, his blade in hand. Horus looked at him and laughed. For a moment he stood triumphant, allowing the bodyguard to see what he had done to his Emperor.
The Emperor instantly realised what was going to happen next, saw the gloating triumph on Horus’ face, knew that his loyal servant was about to die. There was no trace of his beloved son left in Horus.

(soldier is killed)

The Emperor was stung by the death. He had known this warrior for centuries. This was not a fitting reward for such duty and loyalty. That Horus should so callously and casually kill him, without ceremony, without mercy, jolted the Emperor. It finally showed him that the Horus he had known and loved had gone, irrevocably destroyed by the madness of Chaos and the power that he had embraced.

(a few lines later)

Now he knew that there was only one way he could end this. The grip of the Chaos gods was too strong, their claws sunk too deeply into Horus’s soul. The Emperor must kill his favoured son to break their hold on him. He must strike one deadly blow. He knew he would get no other chance.

as Ollanius, but rather as a conglomeration. He represents humanity, and it's potential for loyalty, honour, duty and selflessness. Sanguinius is a Primarch. He is, if not practically, then theoretically at least, Horus' equal. Ollanius is helpless in this situation. All he knows is that he will die because it's his duty. Horus' obliteration of him serves to show the Emperor that Horus is beyond killing those who are a threat to him. Sanguinius is excusable. He threatens Horus. Ollanius doesn't. It shows the depths of depravity Horus has fallen to.

As to the chink in the armour, yes, it's possibly that it does;t exist, and is a belief held by the Imperium to show that its enemies are not invulnerable, and to reassure the Blood Angels that their Primarch was not useless in that situation.

I'm going to stop now, I'm starting to hate myself.

Can Ollanius be one of the Emperors descendants and a Perpetual?

I think that maybe it was pious who inflicted a chink of doubt in Chaos' resolve.

Pius never fought Horus in his fluff. He took an attack meant for the Emperor.
It was a terminator and later a custode who attacked Horus. Likewise Sanguinius created no metaphorical chink in Horus's armour, it was the messy death of the terminator and later custode that steeled the Emperor's resolve to end Horus.

Horus was once imperial. He might have faltered after killing so many imperial servants.

Fear to Tread: P443

And so again, in the halls of the Vengeful Spirit, as Sanguinius struck out at his brother, cutting a fearsome crack in the Warmaster's nigh impregnable armour. But it was not enough, and the Angel's great red blade broke.

The Outcast Dead: P443

Bloody tears on golden features, a necessary death, the most infinitesimal crack in the most impregnable armour.

They could be referring to actual armour, which the quote from Fear to Tread seems to suggest, or Horus's psyche, or both.

It may have been that killing his favoured brother personally might have caused a moment of hesitation and doubt the Emperor was able to exploit. Horus commissioned Kabandha and a Keeper of Secrets to slay Sangiunius of course. People tend to be able to make such decisions to kill when a mechanism or other being does the killing act, but killing personally is a different matter.

There is a whole range of theoreticals on this. Such examples include a railway cart hurtling towards 5 people, but you can switch onto another track and kill just one. Or you can pull a lever to drop an incredibly obese man onto the track and stop the train at his life. Usually people say they can do it, but when asked if they would push the man, most say no.

When he slays Sanguinius it could open a moment of doubt the Emperor can use to exploit later. But it was the death of Pious, the representative of all humanity in such a cold, malicious manner, that stirred the Emperor to realise that Horus was gone, and only Chaos stood in his place.

The way I interpreted the final blow is that they Emperor reaches in through the Warp, using the doubt as a "chink" in Horus' "faith" in the powers he has, and using his mighty power, tear Horus' very soul to pieces and scatter it to the writhing currents of the Warp, burning the pieces to ashes and then burning them again.

Horus' body was untouched IIRC, because part of Abaddon's rise involved recovering (and destroying) Horus' body from Fabius who was trying to clone him.

 Deadshot wrote:
It may have been that killing his favoured brother personally might have caused a moment of hesitation and doubt the Emperor was able to exploit. Horus commissioned Kabandha and a Keeper of Secrets to slay Sangiunius of course. People tend to be able to make such decisions to kill when a mechanism or other being does the killing act, but killing personally is a different matter.

There is a whole range of theoreticals on this. Such examples include a railway cart hurtling towards 5 people, but you can switch onto another track and kill just one. Or you can pull a lever to drop an incredibly obese man onto the track and stop the train at his life. Usually people say they can do it, but when asked if they would push the man, most say no.

When he slays Sanguinius it could open a moment of doubt the Emperor can use to exploit later. But it was the death of Pious, the representative of all humanity in such a cold, malicious manner, that stirred the Emperor to realise that Horus was gone, and only Chaos stood in his place.

The way I interpreted the final blow is that they Emperor reaches in through the Warp, using the doubt as a "chink" in Horus' "faith" in the powers he has, and using his mighty power, tear Horus' very soul to pieces and scatter it to the writhing currents of the Warp, burning the pieces to ashes and then burning them again.

Horus' body was untouched IIRC, because part of Abaddon's rise involved recovering (and destroying) Horus' body from Fabius who was trying to clone him.

Why was Fabius trying to clone him?

lliu wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
It may have been that killing his favoured brother personally might have caused a moment of hesitation and doubt the Emperor was able to exploit. Horus commissioned Kabandha and a Keeper of Secrets to slay Sangiunius of course. People tend to be able to make such decisions to kill when a mechanism or other being does the killing act, but killing personally is a different matter.

There is a whole range of theoreticals on this. Such examples include a railway cart hurtling towards 5 people, but you can switch onto another track and kill just one. Or you can pull a lever to drop an incredibly obese man onto the track and stop the train at his life. Usually people say they can do it, but when asked if they would push the man, most say no.

When he slays Sanguinius it could open a moment of doubt the Emperor can use to exploit later. But it was the death of Pious, the representative of all humanity in such a cold, malicious manner, that stirred the Emperor to realise that Horus was gone, and only Chaos stood in his place.

The way I interpreted the final blow is that they Emperor reaches in through the Warp, using the doubt as a "chink" in Horus' "faith" in the powers he has, and using his mighty power, tear Horus' very soul to pieces and scatter it to the writhing currents of the Warp, burning the pieces to ashes and then burning them again.

Horus' body was untouched IIRC, because part of Abaddon's rise involved recovering (and destroying) Horus' body from Fabius who was trying to clone him.

Why was Fabius trying to clone him?

Horus's body was untouched by the psychic attack that the Emperor used to obliterate him, but his body was still damaged from the fight with the Emperor (they messed each other up pretty good).

And yeah given what we know about Fabius why wouldn't he clone him? For Fabius and the Emperors Children once they decided it was an interesting idea the question was always how, not why.

 Deadshot wrote:
But it was the death of Pious

Or the Imperial Fists Terminator or the Lone Custodian

 Pilau Rice wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
But it was the death of Pious

Or the Imperial Fists Terminator or the Lone Custodian

I would argue against this. Marines die all the time. They were created for war. The Custodes was protecting the Emperor as was his role. If some of the less favourable of the Emperor's representations are to be believed he saw them both as merely tools to humanity and himself. But Pious was just a man. Hell, even after knowing Horus had advocated the destruction of several thousand marines and besieging Terra he thought he could be saved. Even after it resulted in the deaths of Ferrus Manus at Fulgrim's hand, the dissappearence of several others including Vulkan and Corax, and personally killed Sanguinius.