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Siiiiggh.

Another Sunday, and still no reinforcements.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


After all, the enthusiasts DID buy Aeronautica, but it wasn't enough to keep GW supporting it.

Aeronautica is technically still being supported, as GW are still selling the HH-themed rule book and released a pack of bases not long ago.

If I had to make a guess, Aeronautica will return with a brand new edition leaving Titanicus and Legions as a 30K pairing, and Aeronautica will be the stepping stone to Epic'40K( whenever that game happens ).

SamusDrake wrote:
If I had to make a guess, Aeronautica will return with a brand new edition leaving Titanicus and Legions as a 30K pairing, and Aeronautica will be the stepping stone to Epic'40K( whenever that game happens ).

The new Legiones Imperalis Thunderhawk Box also has "Warhammer The Horus Hereey - Aeronautica Imperalis" as a Branding on the backside... which means further support to the HH Version.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Siiiiggh.

Another Sunday, and still no reinforcements.

Yay... what a suprise...

People still need to buy big Core Sets with Heavy Rulebooks to get damaged sprues for Core Tanks or build further Armies for other Space Marine Legions...

"Comes later than you think"
"When you think our logistic is out of controll, then your right..."

Of the two boxed set contents I’ve had, none of the Sprues have been damaged, barring one Predator exhaust which was very slightly twisted, but still attached.

Eumerin wrote:

I'm not sure what direct-only would have to do with that.

And remember that the core book is also available as an e-book at over a third less than what the physical book costs.

Its a direct sale to GW, cutting out local independents for maximum profit. The only other game with a rule book that GW sells direct-only is for Aeronautica. Thats not to say it's done out of spite for the indies, but probably because they feel there's little gain for them in doing so.

To be fair I'm only making a loose guess at best. Another loose guess might be that its hard to maintain stock levels after a last minute 3-month reprint.


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RazorEdge wrote:


The new Legiones Imperalis Thunderhawk Box also has "Warhammer The Horus Hereey - Aeronautica Imperalis" as a Branding on the backside... which means further support to the HH Version.

Now that is interesting. Is there any additional Aeronautica stuff in the box itself?

SamusDrake wrote:

Its a direct sale to GW, cutting out local independents for maximum profit. The only other game with a rule book that GW sells direct-only is for Aeronautica. Thats not to say it's done out of spite for the indies, but probably because they feel there's little gain for them in doing so.

Yeah directly-only products are the ones GW believe* won't sell enough to justify a large production batch to supply all the trade customers and GW stores. So they make a smaller batch that's kept to the main distribution hubs only. Probably for the best given the difficulty in getting restocks from other items...

*rightly or wrongly

Well, if there’s one thing GW has that nobody else has? Is a complete and perfect knowledge of its sales figures. Which is the joy of being the sole manufacturer and distributors of its own wares.

I guess we can argue whether such figures are accurately interpreted, but they absolutely have the raw data nobody else does.

SamusDrake wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

I'm not sure what direct-only would have to do with that.

And remember that the core book is also available as an e-book at over a third less than what the physical book costs.

Its a direct sale to GW, cutting out local independents for maximum profit. The only other game with a rule book that GW sells direct-only is for Aeronautica. Thats not to say it's done out of spite for the indies, but probably because they feel there's little gain for them in doing so.

To be fair I'm only making a loose guess at best. Another loose guess might be that its hard to maintain stock levels after a last minute 3-month reprint.

That's not quite the full picture. It's not Direct Only – a term GW sometimes uses for items that are available only from Games Workshop themselves. It's Online Only, which means it's not part of the range that their own stores are able to stock. Independent stockists can still order and stock Online Only items (at least in the UK, and I believe most other territories) but they are prohibited under their trade terms from selling at a discount. In effect, they're allowed to provide it for their customers at the online price. Take a look at a large independent like Element Games – they stock pretty much all the Online Only items, and sell them in-store as well.

Well GW do have perfect historical data, but a less clear picture than they probably should of how customers will react to a future release. Plucking a totally hypothetical example from thin air - imagine if they released an updated rulebook for the fictional 40k Nyratid faction, and the Calemeptor monster has significantly stronger stats than any other unit. You would imagine that GW would want to maximise sales by removing the direct-only status from the Calemeptor kit and producing more prior to the codex release. Instead what happens is that people read the leaked rules, that kit sells out all warehouse stock in approximately 0.3 seconds, and remains out of stock until the next balance update corrects it's points level.

I'm sure this scenario may also explain why games like LI were missing things like sufficient solar aux transports on release; GW don't notice the increased demand they just created with new rules.

Greenfield wrote:


That's not quite the full picture. It's not Direct Only – a term GW sometimes uses for items that are available only from Games Workshop themselves. It's Online Only, which means it's not part of the range that their own stores are able to stock. Independent stockists can still order and stock Online Only items (at least in the UK, and I believe most other territories) but they are prohibited under their trade terms from selling at a discount. In effect, they're allowed to provide it for their customers at the online price. Take a look at a large independent like Element Games – they stock pretty much all the Online Only items, and sell them in-store as well.

Oh, I see. Thanks for clarifying.

SamusDrake wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

I'm not sure what direct-only would have to do with that.

And remember that the core book is also available as an e-book at over a third less than what the physical book costs.

Its a direct sale to GW, cutting out local independents for maximum profit. The only other game with a rule book that GW sells direct-only is for Aeronautica. Thats not to say it's done out of spite for the indies, but probably because they feel there's little gain for them in doing so.

To be fair I'm only making a loose guess at best. Another loose guess might be that its hard to maintain stock levels after a last minute 3-month reprint.


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RazorEdge wrote:


The new Legiones Imperalis Thunderhawk Box also has "Warhammer The Horus Hereey - Aeronautica Imperalis" as a Branding on the backside... which means further support to the HH Version.

Now that is interesting. Is there any additional Aeronautica stuff in the box itself?

Mine didn't come with an AI base, you'd have to buy that separately. Did AI include unit cards or something like that? Because if so, also absent I'm afraid.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, if there’s one thing GW has that nobody else has? Is a complete and perfect knowledge of its sales figures. Which is the joy of being the sole manufacturer and distributors of its own wares.

I guess we can argue whether such figures are accurately interpreted, but they absolutely have the raw data nobody else does.

Then we must send a Third-stage Guild Navigator to Nottingham to demand details from the CEO...

...the plastic crack must flow...

My personal thought is that until the rest of Wave 1 starts showing up, there's not much point in releasing the Core Book for mass sale. The two armies each have two boxes with combat units - one infantry, and one super-heavy tanks (the marines also have Rhinos, but they're strictly transports). Of the four boxes, one - the Baneblades - is completely useless without the Core Box, since you can only use Baneblades as part of the Armoured Company formation, which requires two battle tank formations. And the battle tanks are currently only available in the Core Box.

Making it more difficult to get the book without the Core Box encourages players to get the box, which means that they'll have the basic troops and vehicles needed to play the game.

Once the rest of Wave 1 is released (And what's the reason for the delay? It should have been out by now.), hopefully they'll release the book.

 Bolognesus wrote:

Mine didn't come with an AI base, you'd have to buy that separately. Did AI include unit cards or something like that? Because if so, also absent I'm afraid.

I had a box of Thunderbolts a long while ago but it was just instructions and the plastic and bases. Might have been transfers?

SamusDrake wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

Mine didn't come with an AI base, you'd have to buy that separately. Did AI include unit cards or something like that? Because if so, also absent I'm afraid.

I had a box of Thunderbolts a long while ago but it was just instructions and the plastic and bases. Might have been transfers?

Oh sure, forgot about those. There is a -new!- transfer sheet included.

Sweet!

Well since we didn't get anything this week, if the March 2nd rumour is true I also wouldn't expect anything next week as they don't normally do the same system two weeks in a row so lets at least hope for the 17th

SamusDrake wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

Mine didn't come with an AI base, you'd have to buy that separately. Did AI include unit cards or something like that? Because if so, also absent I'm afraid.

I had a box of Thunderbolts a long while ago but it was just instructions and the plastic and bases. Might have been transfers?

When the thunderhawk came out originally, it contained the rules in the box. So it sounds like they’ve removed it for the HH rerelease.

The earlier AI stuff didn’t come with rules in the boxes, but the last wave (SM vs Eldar) did.

Greenfield wrote:
That's not quite the full picture. It's not Direct Only – a term GW sometimes uses for items that are available only from Games Workshop themselves. It's Online Only, which means it's not part of the range that their own stores are able to stock.

My Local GW's own Warhammer Store has the Rulebook in Stock...

Wishful thinking, because I’ve no way to prove it.

But I’m hoping the delay is to ensure there’s a better stock level on launch day. A wee bit of stockpiling now, ready for then.

The sort-of-upside-I-guess is that I will have all my existing collection painted by then, as I’m due to finish the Rhinos this lunchtime/evening.

RazorEdge wrote:


My Local GW's own Warhammer Store has the Rulebook in Stock...

This is good to know. I was worried as I hadn't seen it in my neck of the woods and its probably just hard keeping up with demand.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wishful thinking, because I’ve no way to prove it.

But I’m hoping the delay is to ensure there’s a better stock level on launch day. A wee bit of stockpiling now, ready for then.

The sort-of-upside-I-guess is that I will have all my existing collection painted by then, as I’m due to finish the Rhinos this lunchtime/evening.

Except they don't use delays to do any extra stockpiling.

People complain how launch day stock ran out despite delay.

Because the delay was just that. Delay. They didn't produce any more beside what they had decided in advance.

GW doesn't even have surpluss production capability to produce more. And most likely now production focus is toward AOS4 launch. Got to produce boxes for then to be sold. They won't hinder that for sake of producing more for LI during delay.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


When the thunderhawk came out originally, it contained the rules in the box. So it sounds like they’ve removed it for the HH rerelease.

The earlier AI stuff didn’t come with rules in the boxes, but the last wave (SM vs Eldar) did.

Interesting.

If Aeronautica was listed alongside Legions and Titanicus on the GW site, and there was at least a pack of hexmap posters on sale, I'd have faith that Aeronautica is staying in the Heresy era.

It doesn't make sense to continue visibily supporting Titanicus - which relies on far more components - but not Aeronautica which is currently only missing a single poster map. Thats something they could easily include with a magazine pack like White Dwarf, when it comes in a card envelope.

Oh GW, one day we'll figure you out. But today is not that day...

tneva82 wrote:

Except they don't use delays to do any extra stockpiling.

People complain how launch day stock ran out despite delay.

Because the delay was just that. Delay. They didn't produce any more beside what they had decided in advance.

We have no way to know if the Nov release day stock was any higher than it would have been in August, yet still sold out regardless. However the delay could certainly have improved the restocking time.

The core items came back into UK stock relatively quickly after launch, with a small extra wave before xmas then a larger one immediately after new year. USA received new core boxes this month too, implying they were already on the water before the holidays.

That contrasts with many other GW ranges, like some 40k factions that released on time and didn't see restocks for several months.

tneva82 wrote:


Except they don't use delays to do any extra stockpiling.

People complain how launch day stock ran out despite delay.

Because the delay was just that. Delay. They didn't produce any more beside what they had decided in advance.

GW doesn't even have surpluss production capability to produce more. And most likely now production focus is toward AOS4 launch. Got to produce boxes for then to be sold. They won't hinder that for sake of producing more for LI during delay.

I'd go with that. AoS is one half of their shops, the other being 40K itself. Both having their own part-magazines with a TV ad, and with TV shows and feature films in the works...

Titans and Knights come with AT Terminals and have the "Adeptus Titanicus The Horus Heresy" Branding on the backside like the Aeronautica Imperalis Branding for Flighters.


Tke Terrain als comes with AT Branding I guess...

RazorEdge wrote:
Titans and Knights come with AT Terminals and have the "Adeptus Titanicus The Horus Heresy" Branding on the backside like the Aeronautica Imperalis Branding for Flighters.


Tke Terrain als comes with AT Branding I guess...

Makes one wonder why they've been repackaged under Legions Imperialis...?

Drugs. Its the only logical explaination left!

SamusDrake wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


When the thunderhawk came out originally, it contained the rules in the box. So it sounds like they’ve removed it for the HH rerelease.

The earlier AI stuff didn’t come with rules in the boxes, but the last wave (SM vs Eldar) did.

Interesting.

If Aeronautica was listed alongside Legions and Titanicus on the GW site, and there was at least a pack of hexmap posters on sale, I'd have faith that Aeronautica is staying in the Heresy era.

It doesn't make sense to continue visibily supporting Titanicus - which relies on far more components - but not Aeronautica which is currently only missing a single poster map. Thats something they could easily include with a magazine pack like White Dwarf, when it comes in a card envelope.

Oh GW, one day we'll figure you out. But today is not that day...

I hadn't even noticed GW didn't have the Aeronautica Imperialis section of the site. I could only find stuff by using the search bar.

So GW currently aren't doing a great job of "supporting" Aeronautica even in the HH setting, they aren't selling a hex board and they don't have a section on their site for it. Also the rulebook is almost impossible to get in Australia. It was out of stock for something like a year, came back in stock but didn't last terribly long and is once again out of stock.

Thats how the Boxes look like:

RazorEdge wrote:
Thats how the Boxes look like:

Does the new Thunderhawk box include rules for Aeronautica? Is it part of the assembly instructions?

The new rulebook doesn't list any unit rules aside from the Custodes flyer, so I wonder where they're supposed to come from.