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I am rather excited about the legions of Chaos opportunity. It should look dapper on the tabletop, and it gives us many options to boot! I cannot wait to swipe the smug look off High Elves face when they face my Daemons of Chaos. I am going to absolutely ANNIHILATE the BOTWD Unit with my Warriors. Its revenge baby. What units do you think are best for this purpose?

Anyways, I just wanted your guys ideas of cool units/builds from this new Era in Warhammer. I like the idea of Festus and a large block of Marauders to complement my Nurgle Daemons. I am definitely getting glotkin, hes dope. It may be a little reduntant with the role of plaguebearers, but its still neat. I don't know much about Beastmen, so I can;t touch that.

I was thinking some Putrid Blightkings in a Portalglyph would be neat. A Chimera would definitely be cool in a Flying tzeentch list, give some much needed combat support while keeping the theme. Add a hellcannon to a Khorne themed list. Use a Warriors of Chaos Lord so a mixed Daemon list can actually benefit from a General's leadership. The possibilities are quite neat,

Lets discuss them!

Well, in my opinion, it could make Mono-Khorne "daemons" more effective, with a little tweaking.

Khorne DPs are more resilient than Bloodthirsters, though 'Thirsters have a higher damage output.

I'm definitely considering subbing out my Bloodcrushers for Skullcrushers.

Maybe an unmarked DP wizard with the Daemon Summoning spells for added army-wide survivability?

How is a Khorne DP more resilient than a thirster?

well, when you also throw in FW Chaos dwarfs in there, chaos legions get really fun. A gunline chaos army backed up by minotaurs, plague drones on the flanks, and chaos warriors lining up beind the artilery. Chaos Legions FTW.

Are CD supposed to be in CL?

If so, seems like the options are cut out for us.

Warriors of Chaos or Daemons for Lords

Use whatever heroes you want in Core block, I like Exalted Hero for BSB to be universal. Maybe festus in Maurader block, Herald for Plaguebearers etc.

Mix of Warriors and Daemons for core

Daemons for special.

Chaos Dwarves for Rare

At 2k points I was thinking something along the lines of the Glottkin, nurgle warriors and chaos hounds in core, either a couple gorebeast chariots or some plague beasts in special, and blight drones in rare. Not sure how that would all work out but it seemed pretty reasonable. I should probably find a way to add some type of nurgle unit that has a shooting attack though (if that exists haha).

Khorne gor with the beast banner. Nurgle minotaurs with a regen herald of nurgle palanquin.

Netlist demons with skullcrushers, and beastmen chaff. Those raiders have mark of slaanesh.

like the idea of Festus and a large block of Marauders to complement my Nurgle Daemons

You meant "Festus with a large block of AHW Gors", right ?
cause Gors are really solid

Lord:
Daemon Princes
Chaos Lords
Hero:
Any but Beastmen
Core:
Daemons
Warriors of Chaos
Chaos Dwarfs
Special:
Daemons
Beastmen
Warriors of Chaos
Rare:
Beastmen
Chaos Dwarfs


Thats my general Idea of a decent setup for Legion of Chaos

 Lord Commissar wrote:
How is a Khorne DP more resilient than a thirster?

Unbreakable instead of Daemonic Instability, to start with (we're talking about the WoC DP, not the DoC DP; the "End Times" allows mixing of the books). Then, the DP can actually purchase things like armor, a charmed shield, etc.


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 Brennonjw wrote:
Rare:
Beastmen
Chaos Dwarfs


Thats my general Idea of a decent setup for Legion of Chaos

You're really interested in leaving out Skull Cannons?

Wait, are Chaos Dwarfs in the Legions of Chaos list?

 Lord Commissar wrote:
I am rather excited about the legions of Chaos opportunity. It should look dapper on the tabletop, and it gives us many options to boot! I cannot wait to swipe the smug look off High Elves face when they face my Daemons of Chaos. I am going to absolutely ANNIHILATE the BOTWD Unit with my Warriors. Its revenge baby. What units do you think are best for this purpose?

Anyways, I just wanted your guys ideas of cool units/builds from this new Era in Warhammer. I like the idea of Festus and a large block of Marauders to complement my Nurgle Daemons. I am definitely getting glotkin, hes dope. It may be a little reduntant with the role of plaguebearers, but its still neat. I don't know much about Beastmen, so I can;t touch that.

I was thinking some Putrid Blightkings in a Portalglyph would be neat. A Chimera would definitely be cool in a Flying tzeentch list, give some much needed combat support while keeping the theme. Add a hellcannon to a Khorne themed list. Use a Warriors of Chaos Lord so a mixed Daemon list can actually benefit from a General's leadership. The possibilities are quite neat,

Lets discuss them!

The local High Elf players are trying to ban the combined armies for the LGS tourneys...
Otherwise I'd dust off my Tzeentch Daemons and load up on MoT Chariots plus a small pair of Knight units w/Lances and let Lord Kaldor's Knights of Tzeentch ride roughshod over those well deserving b !!
The Chimera sounds like an ace idea for mono Tzeentch too - I might have to nick that!

Honestly, I *really* can't wait for 9th when there's no dodging the new ET's 'allies' issues... It'll be as glorious as the complete curbstomps the Grey Knight players got hit with when the 6th ed Daemons Codex finally landed.

Im thinking using beastmen for the core choices, WoC for Special and Daemons for rare.

Thinking Gor, Blightkings, Plague drones as a spine of the army

My idea is this.

Throgg
Many Trolls
Doombull with Blackened Plate and whatever else I fancy.

Now you have frenzied trolls with a 4+ ward against flaming attacks....

Profit!

 welshhoppo wrote:
My idea is this.

Throgg
Many Trolls
Doombull with Blackened Plate and whatever else I fancy.

Now you have frenzied trolls with a 4+ ward against flaming attacks....

Profit!

That's not how frenzy works. They have to test to restrain, but don't get the attack bonus, and the doombull only gives frenzy to units with bloodgreed.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:
My idea is this.

Throgg
Many Trolls
Doombull with Blackened Plate and whatever else I fancy.

Now you have frenzied trolls with a 4+ ward against flaming attacks....

Profit!

That's not how frenzy works. They have to test to restrain, but don't get the attack bonus, and the doombull only gives frenzy to units with bloodgreed.

Wrong, the Doombull has a special rule "Slaughterers Call", and directly quoting:
"Any unit accompanied by a frenzied Doom/Gorebull is also subject to frenzy, but not the Primal Fury rule"

So you DO get frenzy, you just dont get the extra attacks for every combat won.

Indeed, it is pure genius.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Lord Commissar wrote:
I am rather excited about the legions of Chaos opportunity. It should look dapper on the tabletop, and it gives us many options to boot! I cannot wait to swipe the smug look off High Elves face when they face my Daemons of Chaos. I am going to absolutely ANNIHILATE the BOTWD Unit with my Warriors. Its revenge baby. What units do you think are best for this purpose?

Anyways, I just wanted your guys ideas of cool units/builds from this new Era in Warhammer. I like the idea of Festus and a large block of Marauders to complement my Nurgle Daemons. I am definitely getting glotkin, hes dope. It may be a little reduntant with the role of plaguebearers, but its still neat. I don't know much about Beastmen, so I can;t touch that.

I was thinking some Putrid Blightkings in a Portalglyph would be neat. A Chimera would definitely be cool in a Flying tzeentch list, give some much needed combat support while keeping the theme. Add a hellcannon to a Khorne themed list. Use a Warriors of Chaos Lord so a mixed Daemon list can actually benefit from a General's leadership. The possibilities are quite neat,

Lets discuss them!

The local High Elf players are trying to ban the combined armies for the LGS tourneys...

Of course, because, you know, the BotWD is absolutely necessary for HE to run a competitive list, even though it isn't really all that powerful.

{Experiment will get that joke. For those not in-the-know, that last sentence is a condensed version of the arguments used by HE players here on Dakka when DoC players complain about the BotWD.)

I only have WOC rules at the moment. Anyone have thoughts on the legality/viability of something like:

The Inevitable (WOC DP of Nurgle with the works)
Tzeentch BSB
WOC Core
Bestigor herd with a couple of beast brayshamans
Maybe Chimeras or Bloodcrushers if points allow?

I like great weapon hordes a lot, and I've seen a beastman player do nasty things with them, including rerollable frenzy str6 attacks, with spammed wildform as a bonus

kooshlord wrote:
I only have WOC rules at the moment. Anyone have thoughts on the legality/viability of something like:

The Inevitable (WOC DP of Nurgle with the works)
Tzeentch BSB
WOC Core
Bestigor herd with a couple of beast brayshamans
Maybe Chimeras or Bloodcrushers if points allow?

I like great weapon hordes a lot, and I've seen a beastman player do nasty things with them, including rerollable frenzy str6 attacks, with spammed wildform as a bonus

You don't even know the pain that is the comparison between the skullcrusher and bloodcrusher. For more points you go from the second best Heavy Cav in the game to the worst.

 Lord Commissar wrote:

You don't even know the pain that is the comparison between the skullcrusher and bloodcrusher. For more points you go from the second best Heavy Cav in the game to the worst.

Oops, yes. Meant skullcrusher, and don't actually own any bloodcrushers. How bout that Bestigor herd though, worthwhile in an otherwise WOC army?

IF we can still get Wulfrik...
Wulfrik as general.
Scouting great bray shaman in a chariot.
Ambushing Khorne Gors.
Ambushing Slaanesh ungors/ungor raiders.
Ambushing Flesh Hounds.
Scouting Harpies.
Ambushing Marauder block w/ the general.

Roll to see who deploys first. Opponent places a unit, I inform him I've finished deployment, with nothing on the table. Opponent then has to deploy the rest, and try and guess where I'm going to hit him from.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Lord Commissar wrote:
I am rather excited about the legions of Chaos opportunity. It should look dapper on the tabletop, and it gives us many options to boot! I cannot wait to swipe the smug look off High Elves face when they face my Daemons of Chaos. I am going to absolutely ANNIHILATE the BOTWD Unit with my Warriors. Its revenge baby. What units do you think are best for this purpose?

Anyways, I just wanted your guys ideas of cool units/builds from this new Era in Warhammer. I like the idea of Festus and a large block of Marauders to complement my Nurgle Daemons. I am definitely getting glotkin, hes dope. It may be a little reduntant with the role of plaguebearers, but its still neat. I don't know much about Beastmen, so I can;t touch that.

I was thinking some Putrid Blightkings in a Portalglyph would be neat. A Chimera would definitely be cool in a Flying tzeentch list, give some much needed combat support while keeping the theme. Add a hellcannon to a Khorne themed list. Use a Warriors of Chaos Lord so a mixed Daemon list can actually benefit from a General's leadership. The possibilities are quite neat,

Lets discuss them!

The local High Elf players are trying to ban the combined armies for the LGS tourneys...
Otherwise I'd dust off my Tzeentch Daemons and load up on MoT Chariots plus a small pair of Knight units w/Lances and let Lord Kaldor's Knights of Tzeentch ride roughshod over those well deserving b !!
The Chimera sounds like an ace idea for mono Tzeentch too - I might have to nick that!

Honestly, I *really* can't wait for 9th when there's no dodging the new ET's 'allies' issues... It'll be as glorious as the complete curbstomps the Grey Knight players got hit with when the 6th ed Daemons Codex finally landed.

I really expected you would be happiest about the loss of Demonic Instability in the Legions list, but of course, it's all about sticking it to those HE players.

I sincerely doubt theres an elitist cadre of HE gamers who do nothing but sit around in armani suits plotting daily to see how they can best screw over demon players.

Im my opinion, the End of Times stuff has no business anywhere near a tournament that isn't directly themed as EoT. The 50% lords and heroes thing is whatever, its a rule now. But the combined Legions have no semblance of balance what-so-ever.

The "loss" of Daemonic instability is a nerf, unstable is a much worse rule.

 Lord Commissar wrote:
The "loss" of Daemonic instability is a nerf, unstable is a much worse rule.

It's not that bad, you just have to keep casting Invocation of Nehek to replaces you losses.... oh wait.
Yeah, for you it totally sucks.

Eh, maybe. But many demon players seem to think that the possibility of "losing your whole unit on a single bad role" is worse than the Unstable rule.

I've had the discussion with 626 before *I think*, it might not have been her.

So glad I used minotaurs and a doombull to represent my chaos trolls and throgg now choices for the win!

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 Lord Commissar wrote:
The "loss" of Daemonic instability is a nerf, unstable is a much worse rule.

It's not that bad, you just have to keep casting Invocation of Nehek to replaces you losses.... oh wait.
Yeah, for you it totally sucks.

I dunno about you, but I'm using ascendant rules for my demons all the time.

 Thunderfrog wrote:

Eh, maybe. But many demon players seem to think that the possibility of "losing your whole unit on a single bad role" is worse than the Unstable rule.

I've had the discussion with 626 before *I think*, it might not have been her.

Daemonic Instability trumps Unstable when you lose combat by a moderate amount to a shedload. Even if you lose by 100, you can still only suffer a set number of additional losses, outside of boxcars.

Unstable trumps DI when you only lose by 1-3 or so, as the added losses are typically easily manageable AND you're not risking a 10/11 result losing you perhaps double or more of what you lost combat by. And of course, you're not risking the dreaded boxcars poof'ing your entire unit on the spot.

In both cases, the rules are murder on your big monsters.


Overall, DI is worse than Unstable for Daemons because of Reign of Comedy table forcing additional tests outside of losing a combat. (because I really enjoy seeing my 500+ pts LoC suddenly go poof for absolutely no reason...)

If a combined list means Daemons have to gain the overall worse for them Unstable rule, but get to drop the most -up rule in the entire game in the trade-off, then it's still a huge win!

I have been thinking a large block 30 or so of MoN warriors with shield, halberd, full command, standard of swiftness. Accompanied by a Wargor BSB with the banner of beasts. So Str 6 I5 horde of warriors? Yes please