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Hey Dakka,

It's rare that I post in these parts of the forum, but my mind has been itching and I can't seem to find a clear answer, so here goes:

Is there any particular reason an entire chapter couldn't fall to Chaos? Not everyone at once, and not a sudden in a "Hi I'm a loyalist and BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!" kind of way. More gradual than that. More like the Horus Heresy.

When you fall to Chaos, would you have to join a Legion?
If not: would you be able to worship a god and gain their favour?

Say you worship Slaanesh: Is it possible to become a Noise Marine?
How long would it take to start mutating and such? Is it possible you wouldn't mutate?
How long would it take to become a Noise Marine?

Thanks in advance, guys.

Chapters fall infrequently as a whole - individual marines much more often - but it's not unheard of. The Crimson Slaughter, for example.

You don't join legions when you go to chaos. The Legions aren't really a thing any more, except the Black Legion, and even that's only loosely organised and is more of an Abaddon is Bretwalda than Abbadon is Commander-in-Chief.

Noise Marines, yes, you can become a Noise Marine - unlike the Thousand Sons, the Noise Marines are just Chaos Marines devoted to Slaanesh who have acquired a fetish for sonic weaponry.

Everyone mutates. Everyone. It's what the Warp does. Mutation isn't part of corruption, it's a part of life.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Noise Marines, yes, you can become a Noise Marine - unlike the Thousand Sons, the Noise Marines are just Chaos Marines devoted to Slaanesh who have acquired a fetish for sonic weaponry.

Does that go for Khorne Berzerkers and Plague Marines too? Obviously to their respective gods, and fetishes for Blood and rot respectively.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Everyone mutates. Everyone. It's what the Warp does. Mutation isn't part of corruption, it's a part of life.

Is it a sudden "OH. OKAY. Arm popped off, now I have 5 tendrils coming out of that socket!" or is that a bit more gradual?

A lot of the Desth Guard could still be considered a legion.

Again, Khorne berserkers are just berserkers who are followers of Khorne. Any blood thirsty marine could become one. Does that mean they will get a helmet like the World Eaters? Nope.

When you paint plague marines, you can make them desth guard, or a warband of some other chapter who fell to nurgle.

With the "all of a sudden will I have tenticles"? Sometimes. Sometimes the "gifts" of the chaos gods can cause you to mutate out of control, becoming a "Chaos Spawn". Most mutations happen over time though.

 Rippy wrote:
A lot of the Desth Guard could still be considered a legion.

Again, Khorne berserkers are just berserkers who are followers of Khorne. Any blood thirsty marine could become one. Does that mean they will get a helmet like the World Eaters? Nope.

When you paint plague marines, you can make them desth guard, or a warband of some other chapter who fell to nurgle.

With the "all of a sudden will I have tenticles"? Sometimes. Sometimes the "gifts" of the chaos gods can cause you to mutate out of control, becoming a "Chaos Spawn". Most mutations happen over time though.

Perfect.


Thank you both for answering my questions.

 Ond Angel wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
A lot of the Desth Guard could still be considered a legion.

Again, Khorne berserkers are just berserkers who are followers of Khorne. Any blood thirsty marine could become one. Does that mean they will get a helmet like the World Eaters? Nope.

When you paint plague marines, you can make them desth guard, or a warband of some other chapter who fell to nurgle.

With the "all of a sudden will I have tenticles"? Sometimes. Sometimes the "gifts" of the chaos gods can cause you to mutate out of control, becoming a "Chaos Spawn". Most mutations happen over time though.

Perfect.


Thank you both for answering my questions.

No worries.
One other thing, I am pretty sure every chapter is susceptible to falling to Chaos, though only the Grey Knights have no recorded members falling. So any Space Marine, or it's chapter as a whole, is susceptible to the wills of Chaos. And to be honest, why would you deny the calls of the Grandfather Nurgle?

You know in Legion of the Damned the World Eaters were singled out as being better than their Renegade Space Marine berzerker companions, As if they're only amateurs next to World Eaters.besides Legions are very much a thing, Some are Half functioning like the Death Guard, Word Bearers and the Iron Warriors.

 Rippy wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
A lot of the Desth Guard could still be considered a legion.

Again, Khorne berserkers are just berserkers who are followers of Khorne. Any blood thirsty marine could become one. Does that mean they will get a helmet like the World Eaters? Nope.

When you paint plague marines, you can make them desth guard, or a warband of some other chapter who fell to nurgle.

With the "all of a sudden will I have tenticles"? Sometimes. Sometimes the "gifts" of the chaos gods can cause you to mutate out of control, becoming a "Chaos Spawn". Most mutations happen over time though.

Perfect.


Thank you both for answering my questions.

No worries.
One other thing, I am pretty sure every chapter is susceptible to falling to Chaos, though only the Grey Knights have no recorded members falling. So any Space Marine, or it's chapter as a whole, is susceptible to the wills of Chaos. And to be honest, why would you deny the calls of the Grandfather Nurgle?

Ah, yes, I am well aware of the Mary Sue Knight's- Err, Grey Knight's "immunity" to falling to Chaos.

It was more for a fluff perspective for my Loyalist Chapter's future. As it stands, Grandfather Nurgle is my current choice...
I just didn't want to upset anyone that knows more on the fluff than me. (Honestly, I haven't read much into the background of things, I have been more of a tabletop guy, but I do read bits and pieces the interest me). I enjoy writing the fluff behind my chapter though.

Maybe if then entire leadership were infected and then influenced the entire chapter over a few centuries

But many will still not fall and would have to be purged. Space marines are renowned for their zealous faith in the emperor

I remember reading a chaos story of a chapter master that prayed (not intentionalyly) to hear when men lie so he could do his chapters job better.

Tzeeneech granted him the wish and every member heard every lie whispered by the imperium in their heads. The entire chapter went renegade and insane almost immeditely so it can happen occasionally

You would have to find the reason they fell. Did they seek eternal life? Do they fear their chapter brothers dying? Did Nurgle trick the legion by befouling them with a terrible malady they couldn't escape, the only option swearing fealty to Him. Either way they become his eternal army that feels no pain even though they are left looking like zombies, with maggots maggots riggling just underneath their skin, terrible boils exploding infectious puss, disgusting bile leaking and spitting from their mouths, a halo of flies following their every movements.
That last one is basically how the Death Guard fell. Calas Typhon (now Typhus the Traveller) tricked Mortarion in to killing their navigators, making them get lost in the warp, were Nurgle infected them with a horrible diesese. Mortarion swore fealty to Nurgle in exchange for stopping his legions pain. It was Typhon's trickery that made it so the Death Guard never made it the Horus' invasion of earth, which is why they are still more of a legion.

I don't know if it helps, but keep in mind that the chapter doesn't have to necessarily turn to Chaos to turn against the Imperium.

For whatever reason (imperialism, politics, pursuit from a rogue Inquisitor, bad advice from the Eldar, etc.) the chapter may decide that the Imperium is not the bees-knees they were told it was, and that the Emperor might have a flaw or two. So, they turn against the Imperium (see: Night Lords, Red Corsairs, many others).

Only problem with being renegade is the lack of resources. So, more and more they embrace Chaos just to keep themselves alive and functional. Then, little by little, more and more individuals embrace the various Dark Gods and their gifts. Maybe just one god, maybe staying undivided. Reduce to a simmer and cover for a couple centuries and voila! Chaos marines.

On what Scourged said, your guys could just turn Renegade, as opposed to chaos.
Become disgruntled with the Emporer/Imperium, greed, opportunity, there is many reasons a chapter may turn away. You could even use your current army, and call them renegade. Just deface the symbols of the Imperium. They could be pirates, recruiting militia (imperial guard) and maybe other chapters they are very friendly with.
Just another option.

 Rippy wrote:
On what Scourged said, your guys could just turn Renegade, as opposed to chaos. Become disgruntled with the Emporer/Imperium, greed, opportunity, there is many reasons a chapter may turn away.

This is often how it starts. A Chapter doesn't usually go all "Chaos is nice" over a night, they gradually drift that way due to loss of faith, need for resources and so on.

Huron and his Astral Claws are a perfect example. They went to Chaos only after the Imperium put the hammer down on their mostly pride-related indiscretions. They were powerful and rich, defending many prosperous systems and allies with a few other Chapters they provided equipment to. But Huron started thinking the Imperium was taking too much of the resources produced in "his" realm and the situation escalated from there until other SM Chapters chose to intervene and purge the rebels. So in the end a half-dead Chapter Master and the tattered remnants of his Chapter fled on their remaining ship(s), leaving most of their equipment and resources behind. IIRC they became pirates and raiders first before getting a good offer from Chaos.

Pride can make even the mightiest man fall, and marines usually take a lot of pride in their superhuman status and heritage.

Everything above is mostly correct, but I also wanted to point out that Khorne Berserkers and Slaaneshi Noise Marines actually get implants and surgical alterations to make them the cult marines they are instead of just being normal CSM with marks of Khorne or Slaanesh. Berserkers have the Butcher's Nails, which drive them crazy in battle, while Noise Marines are surgically altered (the first ones were "invented" by Fabius Bile, who fixed up the entire Emperor's Children legion) so that their hearing is a thousand times more keen than normal.

You could easily make different fluff as to why they are Khorne beserkers without neural implants. Inbalence of chemical etc.

And yes, a chapter doesn't always go chaos or nothing, but that would be because no one excuted the perfect plan, as Typhus did, to convert a whole chapter let alone a legion. Most would turn as an ally for the fact that the imperium is a big enemy to have. Doesn't mean his chapter can't have just turned pirate phase though.

Spetulhu wrote:


Huron and his Astral Claws are a perfect example. They went to Chaos only after the Imperium put the hammer down on their mostly pride-related indiscretions.

You're, uh, forgetting the part where Huron was in cahoots with a daemon the whole time.

Thank you all. I didn't expect people to still be posting.

I'm quite happy, honestly.

Rippy wrote:You would have to find the reason they fell. Did they seek eternal life? Do they fear their chapter brothers dying? Did Nurgle trick the legion by befouling them with a terrible malady they couldn't escape, the only option swearing fealty to Him. Either way they become his eternal army that feels no pain even though they are left looking like zombies, with maggots maggots riggling just underneath their skin, terrible boils exploding infectious puss, disgusting bile leaking and spitting from their mouths, a halo of flies following their every movements.
That last one is basically how the Death Guard fell. Calas Typhon (now Typhus the Traveller) tricked Mortarion in to killing their navigators, making them get lost in the warp, were Nurgle infected them with a horrible diesese. Mortarion swore fealty to Nurgle in exchange for stopping his legions pain. It was Typhon's trickery that made it so the Death Guard never made it the Horus' invasion of earth, which is why they are still more of a legion.

Some of the fluff so far is that the age-old relic of the chapter, named Asura, is possessed by a Daemon. It's been dormant and either the previous owners were unaware, or didn't care to say a thing. (leaving it as an ominous "how long has it been known" type scenario). The current leader, Gadreel*, has noticed whispers of sorts in the back of his mind that constantly disturb him (signs of the Daemon awakening). He's not told anyone, but Gadreel's closest friend, and chief librarian Azazel, has noticed something is "off".

I haven't fleshed out an awful amount of fluff for their fall to chaos, as I'm still working on the loyalist side and a homebrew supplement, but it eventually leads to Gadreel falling to chaos, as the Daemon shows him the truths of the imperium, with Azazel staying loyal to his friend over the imperium, and they slowly corrupt the chapter. Those that didn't follow them were "dealt with", including some named characters. So not just the "red shirts".

Scourged wrote:I don't know if it helps, but keep in mind that the chapter doesn't have to necessarily turn to Chaos to turn against the Imperium.

For whatever reason (imperialism, politics, pursuit from a rogue Inquisitor, bad advice from the Eldar, etc.) the chapter may decide that the Imperium is not the bees-knees they were told it was, and that the Emperor might have a flaw or two. So, they turn against the Imperium (see: Night Lords, Red Corsairs, many others).

Only problem with being renegade is the lack of resources. So, more and more they embrace Chaos just to keep themselves alive and functional. Then, little by little, more and more individuals embrace the various Dark Gods and their gifts. Maybe just one god, maybe staying undivided. Reduce to a simmer and cover for a couple centuries and voila! Chaos marines.

This makes me think maybe they don't have to fall to chaos. They could just give the finger to the Imperium of Man and to Chaos.

Making my next question: Is it possible a Daemonic spirit of sorts could be against the Chaos Gods? Maybe it's a Daemon of a lesser Chaos God that doesn't care for the IoM or "Chaos" (as in Tzeentch, Khorne, etc). Or is that still essentially "chaos" and they'd still end up mutating?
That's a thing that I feel would put my chapter off of going to chaos: the mutating.

Unless they all got to be Daemon Princes.
I don't think anyone minds that. (I am kidding, of course)

 Ond Angel wrote:
Thank you all. I didn't expect people to still be posting.

I'm quite happy, honestly.

Rippy wrote:You would have to find the reason they fell. Did they seek eternal life? Do they fear their chapter brothers dying? Did Nurgle trick the legion by befouling them with a terrible malady they couldn't escape, the only option swearing fealty to Him. Either way they become his eternal army that feels no pain even though they are left looking like zombies, with maggots maggots riggling just underneath their skin, terrible boils exploding infectious puss, disgusting bile leaking and spitting from their mouths, a halo of flies following their every movements.
That last one is basically how the Death Guard fell. Calas Typhon (now Typhus the Traveller) tricked Mortarion in to killing their navigators, making them get lost in the warp, were Nurgle infected them with a horrible diesese. Mortarion swore fealty to Nurgle in exchange for stopping his legions pain. It was Typhon's trickery that made it so the Death Guard never made it the Horus' invasion of earth, which is why they are still more of a legion.

Some of the fluff so far is that the age-old relic of the chapter, named Asura, is possessed by a Daemon. It's been dormant and either the previous owners were unaware, or didn't care to say a thing. (leaving it as an ominous "how long has it been known" type scenario). The current leader, Gadreel*, has noticed whispers of sorts in the back of his mind that constantly disturb him (signs of the Daemon awakening). He's not told anyone, but Gadreel's closest friend, and chief librarian Azazel, has noticed something is "off".

I haven't fleshed out an awful amount of fluff for their fall to chaos, as I'm still working on the loyalist side and a homebrew supplement, but it eventually leads to Gadreel falling to chaos, as the Daemon shows him the truths of the imperium, with Azazel staying loyal to his friend over the imperium, and they slowly corrupt the chapter. Those that didn't follow them were "dealt with", including some named characters. So not just the "red shirts".

Scourged wrote:I don't know if it helps, but keep in mind that the chapter doesn't have to necessarily turn to Chaos to turn against the Imperium.

For whatever reason (imperialism, politics, pursuit from a rogue Inquisitor, bad advice from the Eldar, etc.) the chapter may decide that the Imperium is not the bees-knees they were told it was, and that the Emperor might have a flaw or two. So, they turn against the Imperium (see: Night Lords, Red Corsairs, many others).

Only problem with being renegade is the lack of resources. So, more and more they embrace Chaos just to keep themselves alive and functional. Then, little by little, more and more individuals embrace the various Dark Gods and their gifts. Maybe just one god, maybe staying undivided. Reduce to a simmer and cover for a couple centuries and voila! Chaos marines.

This makes me think maybe they don't have to fall to chaos. They could just give the finger to the Imperium of Man and to Chaos.

Making my next question: Is it possible a Daemonic spirit of sorts could be against the Chaos Gods? Maybe it's a Daemon of a lesser Chaos God that doesn't care for the IoM or "Chaos" (as in Tzeentch, Khorne, etc). Or is that still essentially "chaos" and they'd still end up mutating?
That's a thing that I feel would put my chapter off of going to chaos: the mutating.

Unless they all got to be Daemon Princes.
I don't think anyone minds that. (I am kidding, of course)

Daemons are manifestations of their patron god, so it would be impossible for them to turn their will against them I believe. Maybe they could have been set to turn this chapter against the imperium and then loose them free to do as they please.

 Rippy wrote:

Daemons are manifestations of their patron god, so it would be impossible for them to turn their will against them I believe. Maybe they could have been set to turn this chapter against the imperium and then loose them free to do as they please.

Ah.
In that case, I imagine the Daemon in question would "assist" the chapter until it has deemed its goals accomplished?

Why would one of the Chaos Gods assist in liberating a chapter if they aren't going to join said god? Has it ever been done?
I just want to make sure I can justify fluff without it sounding along the lines of "And Chapter Master Awesome of the Awesome Marines Killed Typhus, Lucius, Fulgrim, and the Mary Sue knights!"
Terrible analogy, but I hope you get it.

The daemon could attempt to get the chapter to worship their god, and the chapter could reject it. If I remember correctly, that somewhat happened to the Soul Drinkers?

You could go along the lines of "they accepted the help (or didn't realize they were being helped), and finally realizing it was chaos manipulating them they rebelled against chaos" perhaps?

Making my next question: Is it possible a Daemonic spirit of sorts could be against the Chaos Gods? Maybe it's a Daemon of a lesser Chaos God that doesn't care for the IoM or "Chaos" (as in Tzeentch, Khorne, etc). Or is that still essentially "chaos" and they'd still end up mutating?

A Daemon of Malal (now called Malice) would suffice. That is the God of Chaos that opposes Chaos. He represents the self-destructive nature of Chaos.

But, yes, exposure to the Warp will eventually cause you to mutate. That's part and parcel of it. Signing a Daemonic Pact will also get you a mutation of some form, at the very least a Mark.

troa wrote:The daemon could attempt to get the chapter to worship their god, and the chapter could reject it. If I remember correctly, that somewhat happened to the Soul Drinkers?

You could go along the lines of "they accepted the help (or didn't realize they were being helped), and finally realizing it was chaos manipulating them they rebelled against chaos" perhaps?

Psienesis wrote:

Making my next question: Is it possible a Daemonic spirit of sorts could be against the Chaos Gods? Maybe it's a Daemon of a lesser Chaos God that doesn't care for the IoM or "Chaos" (as in Tzeentch, Khorne, etc). Or is that still essentially "chaos" and they'd still end up mutating?

A Daemon of Malal (now called Malice) would suffice. That is the God of Chaos that opposes Chaos. He represents the self-destructive nature of Chaos.

But, yes, exposure to the Warp will eventually cause you to mutate. That's part and parcel of it. Signing a Daemonic Pact will also get you a mutation of some form, at the very least a Mark.

So my options are (so far):
A) Go to Malal/Malice (I've heard of him. I think I need to do a bit of reading)
B) Gain help, knowingly or not, from the Daemon Spirit, and eventually give chaos the middle finger as well as the IoM
C) Continue on my path of "gonna go to Nurgle"

I'll bear the warp and Daemonic Pact things in mind though, thanks.

 mitch_rifle wrote:
Maybe if then entire leadership were infected and then influenced the entire chapter over a few centuries

But many will still not fall and would have to be purged. Space marines are renowned for their zealous faith in the emperor

Right.

The thing that is most important to keeping chapters loyal is the ridiculous amount of internal checks and balances they have.


Every part of the Chapter has its own agenda, which means even the Chapter Master only has so much actual power. The Chaplains are looking for heresy. The Librarius is looking for corruption. The Apothecarion is looking for mutation. The company leadership is looking for disloyalty.

To overcome this, you need to convert or eliminate the members of the other internal organizations who will invariably oppose the change. It's why I've suggested the idea of Genestealer Cult Marines is next to impossible. A Genestealer Cult operates in an absence of oversight. There's just no way that you slowly infiltrate a Chapter with xenos DNA and nobody notices until it's too late, lol. Chaos has an advantage because it's more an idea than a physical transformation. But still, you're talking about overcoming significant opposition from within, in an organization that has been organized specifically to prevent that from occurring.

 Ond Angel wrote:

troa wrote:The daemon could attempt to get the chapter to worship their god, and the chapter could reject it. If I remember correctly, that somewhat happened to the Soul Drinkers?

You could go along the lines of "they accepted the help (or didn't realize they were being helped), and finally realizing it was chaos manipulating them they rebelled against chaos" perhaps?

Psienesis wrote:

Making my next question: Is it possible a Daemonic spirit of sorts could be against the Chaos Gods? Maybe it's a Daemon of a lesser Chaos God that doesn't care for the IoM or "Chaos" (as in Tzeentch, Khorne, etc). Or is that still essentially "chaos" and they'd still end up mutating?

A Daemon of Malal (now called Malice) would suffice. That is the God of Chaos that opposes Chaos. He represents the self-destructive nature of Chaos.

But, yes, exposure to the Warp will eventually cause you to mutate. That's part and parcel of it. Signing a Daemonic Pact will also get you a mutation of some form, at the very least a Mark.

So my options are (so far):
A) Go to Malal/Malice (I've heard of him. I think I need to do a bit of reading)
B) Gain help, knowingly or not, from the Daemon Spirit, and eventually give chaos the middle finger as well as the IoM
C) Continue on my path of "gonna go to Nurgle"

I'll bear the warp and Daemonic Pact things in mind though, thanks.

If you went b), you could always have it that when they attempt to shrug off chaos, the demon fully reveals himself, where there is a big battle between demon and your chapter. That is always a fun way to kill off some named characters etc.
c) is the best option, because who can resist the warm hugs of the ever laughing Grandfather Nurgle? He brings new life, with an ever present grin on his face!!!***

***disclaimer, Rippy takes no responsibility for resulting zombification***

 Rippy wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:

troa wrote:The daemon could attempt to get the chapter to worship their god, and the chapter could reject it. If I remember correctly, that somewhat happened to the Soul Drinkers?

You could go along the lines of "they accepted the help (or didn't realize they were being helped), and finally realizing it was chaos manipulating them they rebelled against chaos" perhaps?

Psienesis wrote:

Making my next question: Is it possible a Daemonic spirit of sorts could be against the Chaos Gods? Maybe it's a Daemon of a lesser Chaos God that doesn't care for the IoM or "Chaos" (as in Tzeentch, Khorne, etc). Or is that still essentially "chaos" and they'd still end up mutating?

A Daemon of Malal (now called Malice) would suffice. That is the God of Chaos that opposes Chaos. He represents the self-destructive nature of Chaos.

But, yes, exposure to the Warp will eventually cause you to mutate. That's part and parcel of it. Signing a Daemonic Pact will also get you a mutation of some form, at the very least a Mark.

So my options are (so far):
A) Go to Malal/Malice (I've heard of him. I think I need to do a bit of reading)
B) Gain help, knowingly or not, from the Daemon Spirit, and eventually give chaos the middle finger as well as the IoM
C) Continue on my path of "gonna go to Nurgle"

I'll bear the warp and Daemonic Pact things in mind though, thanks.

If you went b), you could always have it that when they attempt to shrug off chaos, the demon fully reveals himself, where there is a big battle between demon and your chapter. That is always a fun way to kill off some named characters etc.
c) is the best option, because who can resist the warm hugs of the ever laughing Grandfather Nurgle? He brings new life, with an ever present grin on his face!!!***

***disclaimer, Rippy takes no responsibility for resulting zombification***

I got a good laugh out of that disclaimer.


I may combine the ideas, though.
They either shrug it off, or perhaps the daemon gets tired of waiting. They end up fighting the daemon when it reveals itself and tries to take them into Chaos, and Gadreel could yield; turning to Nurgle. Maybe a good portion of the chapter could be taken for Nurgle personally, as "payment" for their initial reluctance.

From my understanding; Nurgle doesn't necessarily like to kill as he'd rather turn them into his own people, and that's why he hates Khorne. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

Looking at the Purge warband, you could end up having a warband that may actively be giving the finger to Chaos and the IoM, but ultimately serves one of the four patron Gods (the Purge's patron god is, coincidentally, Nurgle).

 King Pariah wrote:
Looking at the Purge warband, you could end up having a warband that may actively be giving the finger to Chaos and the IoM, but ultimately serves one of the four patron Gods (the Purge's patron god is, coincidentally, Nurgle).

How do they do that, exactly?
I gave them a quick read, but nothing that sticks out particularly. Mind, I did check the 40K Wiki.

Another question: Would a Daemon join the ranks of a not-so-loyalist-kinda-chaos army? Not in the sense of serving under them, but to watch them closely and make sure they don't try anything. And would said Daemon fight with them?

Edit: Instead of "Chaos Undivided", would it be possible to serve only a few of the gods, such as Nurgle, Khorne, and Tzeentch, and then just say "Screw you, Khorne!"?

 Ond Angel wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:
Looking at the Purge warband, you could end up having a warband that may actively be giving the finger to Chaos and the IoM, but ultimately serves one of the four patron Gods (the Purge's patron god is, coincidentally, Nurgle).

How do they do that, exactly?
I gave them a quick read, but nothing that sticks out particularly. Mind, I did check the 40K Wiki.

Another question: Would a Daemon join the ranks of a not-so-loyalist-kinda-chaos army? Not in the sense of serving under them, but to watch them closely and make sure they don't try anything. And would said Daemon fight with them?

Edit: Instead of "Chaos Undivided", would it be possible to serve only a few of the gods, such as Nurgle, Khorne, and Tzeentch, and then just say "Screw you, Khorne!"?

The Purge are a warband whose goal is to wipe out all life. They are dedicated to Nurgle, and been have supported by His daemons, so not sure what he meant by them giving the finger to chaos.

A Daemon could "join their ranks" in the way that he is guiding them down the path to chaos. Maybe he will even take on a dfferenr physical form for a time, choosing the right time to reveal himself. You would still have to work out the chaplains aren't doing anything about it, any easy work around is by twisting your chapters ecclesiarchy cult in to obsessing about a certain ideal, which is held to greater esteem than belief in the emperor, and that then gets exploited. Sorry does that make sense?

Your legion would still be "Chaos undivided" which is more a term for worshipping chaos as a whole as opposed to worshipping all four gods, but they would be undivided followers who hate Khorne. That is fine.

 Rippy wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:
Looking at the Purge warband, you could end up having a warband that may actively be giving the finger to Chaos and the IoM, but ultimately serves one of the four patron Gods (the Purge's patron god is, coincidentally, Nurgle).

How do they do that, exactly?
I gave them a quick read, but nothing that sticks out particularly. Mind, I did check the 40K Wiki.

Another question: Would a Daemon join the ranks of a not-so-loyalist-kinda-chaos army? Not in the sense of serving under them, but to watch them closely and make sure they don't try anything. And would said Daemon fight with them?

Edit: Instead of "Chaos Undivided", would it be possible to serve only a few of the gods, such as Nurgle, Khorne, and Tzeentch, and then just say "Screw you, Khorne!"?

The Purge are a warband whose goal is to wipe out all life. They are dedicated to Nurgle, and been have supported by His daemons, so not sure what he meant by them giving the finger to chaos.

A Daemon could "join their ranks" in the way that he is guiding them down the path to chaos. Maybe he will even take on a dfferenr physical form for a time, choosing the right time to reveal himself. You would still have to work out the chaplains aren't doing anything about it, any easy work around is by twisting your chapters ecclesiarchy cult in to obsessing about a certain ideal, which is held to greater esteem than belief in the emperor, and that then gets exploited. Sorry does that make sense?

Your legion would still be "Chaos undivided" which is more a term for worshipping chaos as a whole as opposed to worshipping all four gods, but they would be undivided followers who hate Khorne. That is fine.

The Purge only throw their lot in with Nurgle to gain his gifts of plagues to spread across the galaxy in order to kill all life. Including all other followers of chaos. I don't think if it's ever been clear if they really worship Nurgle, they just do what they need to in order to gain biological and chemical weapons of BMFWMD - Big Mother Fething Weapons of Mass Destruction - scale.

Their purpose has nothing to do with chaos, they seek a pure galaxy, clean of lies and corruption which they believe the source of which is life. Which to them means everyone and everything must die. Hence their drive to kill all life including followers of chaos.

As for flipping chaos the bird, They joined one of Abaddon's black crusades just so they could gain possession of a cruiser. Initially on an escort mission for the cruiser - the mission of which was to destroy the fortifications upon Cadia, they killed everyone else on the escort mission, seized the ship, killed some more of Abaddon's naval might before taking off with the ship.

They don't care for the overarching goal of chaos of subduing the galaxy, they want to PURGE the galaxy. They don't want to use Papa Nurgle's gifts to bring others into his warm, slimy, decaying embrace. They want everyone to die.

They want dead peaceful silence to fall upon the galaxy.

They'd probably get along swimmingly with the Sons of Malice if they didn't want to kill each other - and everyone else - so badly.

 Rippy wrote:

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Looking at the Purge warband, you could end up having a warband that may actively be giving the finger to Chaos and the IoM, but ultimately serves one of the four patron Gods (the Purge's patron god is, coincidentally, Nurgle).

How do they do that, exactly?
I gave them a quick read, but nothing that sticks out particularly. Mind, I did check the 40K Wiki.

Another question: Would a Daemon join the ranks of a not-so-loyalist-kinda-chaos army? Not in the sense of serving under them, but to watch them closely and make sure they don't try anything. And would said Daemon fight with them?

Edit: Instead of "Chaos Undivided", would it be possible to serve only a few of the gods, such as Nurgle, Khorne, and Tzeentch, and then just say "Screw you, Khorne!"?

The Purge are a warband whose goal is to wipe out all life. They are dedicated to Nurgle, and been have supported by His daemons, so not sure what he meant by them giving the finger to chaos.

A Daemon could "join their ranks" in the way that he is guiding them down the path to chaos. Maybe he will even take on a dfferenr physical form for a time, choosing the right time to reveal himself. You would still have to work out the chaplains aren't doing anything about it, any easy work around is by twisting your chapters ecclesiarchy cult in to obsessing about a certain ideal, which is held to greater esteem than belief in the emperor, and that then gets exploited. Sorry does that make sense?

Your legion would still be "Chaos undivided" which is more a term for worshipping chaos as a whole as opposed to worshipping all four gods, but they would be undivided followers who hate Khorne. That is fine.

Hmm. I'll have to give it another read some time. Maybe the 1d4chan wiki has a bit more on it.
I know they don't quite put it as wiki-ish, but it might be worth a read.

I've been thinking about that.
The "Chapter Master" is sorted, no issue there. Well, that'd be the Iron Council for my chapter.
The Librarian part of it is good too, since Azazel trains all the psykers in the chapter. He can twist them little-by-little, with relative ease. He's the Psyker they all look up to, after all.
Chaplains... Hmm I haven't really done any fluff on Chaplains. I probably should, really. I'll read up on exactly what and who they are in terms of the Chapter Hierarchy, and as individuals. Then I'll get around to naming some and such, maybe just a "High-Chaplain Generic Red-Shirt #1". I know what they do table-top wise. (I told you I don't do an awful lot on fluff).
What you said makes sense though. I'll consider that in my fluff. Thank you.

Ohhh! I see. I thought it was an "all-for-one" deal because of Abaddon and his "Chaos Undivided" thing.

Thanks again, Rippy.
I know the questions seem to be a little all over the place with the fluff (one minute it's a Nurgle question, the next it's "Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne! Milk for the Khorne Flakes! with Khorne), I've just been getting some kind of feel for where I could go with the fluff.

Thank you, everyone. You've all been a huge help.